Gun Control Measures

[SlowSpyder]

Mmmm, I could fit that on my SUV or hot rod car. Nobody would mess with me.

Just wanted to point out these are not real guns in this pic. Looks like a filter housing for the air filter made to look like a gun. Just wanted to clear this up before someone here had a panic attack and retreated to their safe space.

 

[purbeast0]

This is where it all started.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Why do you have a war against truth in your head?

#fuckkkofftuckkker

 

[K1052]

Yea, but that's only because most people are mislead by the fake media about how big of a problem supposed "assault" weapons really are. Rifles, including silly named "assault" weapons are responsible for very, very few homicides every year but they get blown up by the fake news looking for ratings and to push an agenda.

Perhaps because they are used in such large mass casualty attacks they've gotten a bad reputation. Long guns in general are used in a minority of murders but kind of like how America is willing to overlook 40K auto deaths a year because they occur in ones and twos but not willing to accept a 737 MAX that has a an above industry average chance of plummeting 200 people to their death on any given flight. That doesn't mean that fixing the latter is a waste of time though.

The core GOP arguments used to be there was only modest appetite for new gun control and that their own pro-gun voters would insulate them even if there was stronger interest. This would appear to no longer be the case.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Perhaps because they are used in such large mass casualty attacks they've gotten a bad reputation. Long guns in general are used in a minority of murders but kind of like how America is willing to overlook 40K auto deaths a year because they occur in ones and twos but not willing to accept a 737 MAX that has a an above industry average chance of plummeting 200 people to their death on any given flight. That doesn't mean that fixing the latter is a waste of time though.

The core GOP arguments used to be there was only modest appetite for new gun control and that their own pro-gun voters would insulate them even if there was stronger interest. This would appear to no longer be the case.

So then if we whittle away guns and things like this still happen will you eventually realize that worrying about how evil men decide to implement their plan isn't really the solution? Concerning ourselves with why people want to kill, making improvements to society as a whole will go a lot further than taking away one of many options to kill people in mass. If you're a wannabe mass murderer and your goal is a high body count, one will simply take the path of least resistance to get there, but they can easily still get there regardless of the path they choose.

 

[K1052]

So then if we whittle away guns and things like this still happen will you eventually realize that worrying about how evil men decide to implement their plan isn't really the solution? Concerning ourselves with why people want to kill, making improvements to society as a whole will go a lot further than taking away one of many options to kill people in mass. If you're a wannabe mass murderer and your goal is a high body count, one will simply take the path of least resistance to get there, but they can easily still get there regardless of the path they choose.

This is just a way to rationalize doing nothing which I don't accept.

 

[purbeast0]

This is just a way to rationalize doing nothing which I don't accept.

Basically, he would rather have mass shootings plus attacks like the one in Nice, rather than just having attacks like the one in Nice.

Makes complete sense.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Let's keep this problem in perspective before we shit on the Bill of Rights. 110-115 deaths over the last 10 years in all school shootings combined? I, like you, want that number to be as close to zero as possible. The number isn't statistically large for mass shootings in general. I think there are some measures we can take to improve this, but what most here want is far beyond common sense and in many cases won't do anything to reduce the number killed in any tangible way.

 

[K1052]

Basically, he would rather have mass shootings plus attacks like the one in Nice, rather than just having attacks like the one in Nice.

Makes complete sense.

Also it's not like working to prevent vehicular attacks is some how mutually exclusive with preventing mass shootings. We can do both.

In reality this is just a bad faith argument for inaction.

 

[glenn1]

Also it's not like working to prevent vehicular attacks is some how mutually exclusive with preventing mass shootings. We can do both.

In reality this is just a bad faith argument for inaction.

The nature of the action to be taken is important too. Exhibit A is how President Trump is handling the whole immigration crisis at the border. Sometimes inaction is better than a bad action.

 

[K1052]

The nature of the action to be taken is important too. Exhibit A is how President Trump is handling the whole immigration crisis at the border. Sometimes inaction is better than a bad action.

I sincerely doubt any of the moderate proposals for more gun control will have similar consequences to an intentinally chaotic and malicious policy that is costing many people a lot up to their very lives.

 

[Veliko]

The nature of the action to be taken is important too. Exhibit A is how President Trump is handling the whole immigration crisis at the border. Sometimes inaction is better than a bad action.

And how is Exhibit A comparable to the debate on gun control?

 

[glenn1]

And how is Exhibit A comparable to the debate on gun control?

You have people on ATPN talking about criminalizing all semi automatic guns and arresting those who don’t turn them in or actually use them to defend themselves. That seems like a pretty drastic gun control strategy that would hardly go over without resistance.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It's been solidly established that slow, glenn and others are ok with the slaughter of children, so they can have their guns without any restrictions whatsoever. Totally cool with that.

 

[soundforbjt]

It's been solidly established that slow, glenn and others are ok with the slaughter of children, so they can have their guns without any restrictions whatsoever. Totally cool with that.

"The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many." Wasn't that from Star Trek?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Perhaps because they are used in such large mass casualty attacks they've gotten a bad reputation. Long guns in general are used in a minority of murders but kind of like how America is willing to overlook 40K auto deaths a year because they occur in ones and twos but not willing to accept a 737 MAX that has a an above industry average chance of plummeting 200 people to their death on any given flight. That doesn't mean that fixing the latter is a waste of time though.

The core GOP arguments used to be there was only modest appetite for new gun control and that their own pro-gun voters would insulate them even if there was stronger interest. This would appear to no longer be the case.

What constitutional rights were whittled away for the 737 MAX fix though?

 

[SlowSpyder]

It's been solidly established that slow, glenn and others are ok with the slaughter of children, so they can have their guns without any restrictions whatsoever. Totally cool with that.

No, it is just that I believe the fix for this problem isn't to keep limiting the 2A. The fix is to get away from many liberal policies as a society. Go figure, decades of removing personal responsibility for the sake of feelings has caught up with society and people lose their shit.

 

[K1052]

What constitutional rights were whittled away for the 737 MAX fix though?

Heller explicitly left open the door to regulation.

 

[K1052]

No, it is just that I believe the fix for this problem isn't to keep limiting the 2A. The fix is to get away from many liberal policies as a society. Go figure, decades of removing personal responsibility for the sake of feelings has caught up with society and people lose their shit.

This is just a bunch of text that doesn’t mean anything.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Heller explicitly left open the door to regulation.

Can you expand on that and tell me how you think that removes established constitutional rights from people?

 

[K1052]

Can you expand on that and tell me how you think that removes established constitutional rights from people?

Go argue with SCOTUS.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This is just a bunch of text that doesn’t mean anything.

It means a lot, sometimes the indoctrinated don't see logic though. Can't fix a problem until we can admit there is one. Once we get that far as a society, answers will start to present themselves. Until then, liberals' answers will be to continue to lower the bar for society and whittle away rights.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Go argue with SCOTUS.

I'll take that as a "no" as the answer to my question.

 

[soundforbjt]

Can you expand on that and tell me how you think that removes established constitutional rights from people?

What right is being taken away? The right to own which firearm you want to or the right to bear arms which is what the Constitution says. It doesn't specify what arms unless I'm mistaken.

 

[K1052]

I'll take that as a "no" as the answer to my question.

Your opinions don’t agree with even prevailing conservative judicial decisions. Go argue with them instead of me if you’re unhappy.