JupiterJones
Senior member
lol...I'm glad I never had a parent poisoning my mind with this nonsense. So you teach your kid that he needs to carry a gun to become a "citizen."
The basic difference between a citizen and a subject is the right to be armed. But I am glad that you have brought us back to the point at hand: it is detrimental to children to be raised in a society where security is valued above liberty. It is detrimental to children to be raised in a society where we are constantly told to not fight back, to give in to aggressors, to lie back (or bend over) and take it. It is detrimental to children to be told that they must depend on someone else to protect them, because their parents can't do it, and they certainly can't do it themselves.
Society is getting more violent, not less. The need for personal responsibility is getting greater.
Since 9/11 we now realize that sometimes we have to fight back. Those guys who cause the airliner to crash are heroes. But what if some good men had been armed on that plane? What if the pilots or stewardess had been armed? What if this had been the case on all the hijacked airplanes? The difference is thousands of people would still be alive and a few terrorist would be dead!
Why didn't the people kill the terrorist on the other planes? They could have. Terrorist have not attempted to hijack an El Al flight in a long time. Why? They fear the Israelis.
What about us? The press, academe, and the law enforcement establishment preach: Do not fight back! On the street, in your home, on the airplane, on the high seas, anywhere, anytime. Do not fight back! You may be hurt! Of course you may be hurt. You may be killed. The only honorable response to violence is counter-violence.
Fifty years ago, young people were made to understand -- at home-- that strife was part of life, and that they might well encounter it, and that it would then be their duty to face it without blinking-- ready, willing, and able to use force quickly and expertly if necessary. Boys were taught to shoot and use their hands, and girls were taught to expect that in their men.
That society was infinitely safer and more serene that what we have now. Mugging, rape, piracy, and terrorism were so rare as to be sensational. In that society, it would have been impossible for 4-6 men to assume physical command of over 150 people. They would have been quickly killed.
With rare exceptions, children today are being raised in a kindler, gentler society.... that is until they encounter the human predators that still roam the streets. At that point, they have no idea what to do, except meekly hand over their possessions, their wives, and their children.
The basic difference between a citizen and a subject is the right to be armed. But I am glad that you have brought us back to the point at hand: it is detrimental to children to be raised in a society where security is valued above liberty. It is detrimental to children to be raised in a society where we are constantly told to not fight back, to give in to aggressors, to lie back (or bend over) and take it. It is detrimental to children to be told that they must depend on someone else to protect them, because their parents can't do it, and they certainly can't do it themselves.
Society is getting more violent, not less. The need for personal responsibility is getting greater.
Since 9/11 we now realize that sometimes we have to fight back. Those guys who cause the airliner to crash are heroes. But what if some good men had been armed on that plane? What if the pilots or stewardess had been armed? What if this had been the case on all the hijacked airplanes? The difference is thousands of people would still be alive and a few terrorist would be dead!
Why didn't the people kill the terrorist on the other planes? They could have. Terrorist have not attempted to hijack an El Al flight in a long time. Why? They fear the Israelis.
What about us? The press, academe, and the law enforcement establishment preach: Do not fight back! On the street, in your home, on the airplane, on the high seas, anywhere, anytime. Do not fight back! You may be hurt! Of course you may be hurt. You may be killed. The only honorable response to violence is counter-violence.
Fifty years ago, young people were made to understand -- at home-- that strife was part of life, and that they might well encounter it, and that it would then be their duty to face it without blinking-- ready, willing, and able to use force quickly and expertly if necessary. Boys were taught to shoot and use their hands, and girls were taught to expect that in their men.
That society was infinitely safer and more serene that what we have now. Mugging, rape, piracy, and terrorism were so rare as to be sensational. In that society, it would have been impossible for 4-6 men to assume physical command of over 150 people. They would have been quickly killed.
With rare exceptions, children today are being raised in a kindler, gentler society.... that is until they encounter the human predators that still roam the streets. At that point, they have no idea what to do, except meekly hand over their possessions, their wives, and their children.
