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Gulftown anyone?
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RussianSensation
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The most impressive part of that article to me was the fact that a 6 core HT Gulftown is running cooler and consumes less power than a 4 core HT Bloomfield. Other than that, nothing much to get excited about. Q2 2010 is also a long time away. I wish Intel released a 32nm Core i7 first before this overpriced 6 core niche product.
Unless this thing overclocks like crazy, or is used for heavy video/encoding work, I don't see the point of dropping $1000+. However, progress is always good
The most important processor on the horizon is AMD's because that will determine how much Intel can charge us
Unless this thing overclocks like crazy, or is used for heavy video/encoding work, I don't see the point of dropping $1000+. However, progress is always good
The most important processor on the horizon is AMD's because that will determine how much Intel can charge us
oh yeah!! i am counting the days i so want that its not even funny..
The problem is though amd already has there 6 core counter parts out at newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103691
And this one can be had for as little as $400.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819105257
I know amd will release a 6 core with 12 threads as well but why not get one of these badboys and drop the 12 threaded ones in when they come out.
I am pretty sure it will also be the same socket just like what intel did for the 1366 socket.
Pretty cool how fast tech is moving now and even cooler that I can just do a buy it now and drop in the new intel 6 core into my current mobo with out having to upgrade and waist another $1-$2000.
The problem is though amd already has there 6 core counter parts out at newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103691
And this one can be had for as little as $400.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819105257
I know amd will release a 6 core with 12 threads as well but why not get one of these badboys and drop the 12 threaded ones in when they come out.
I am pretty sure it will also be the same socket just like what intel did for the 1366 socket.
Pretty cool how fast tech is moving now and even cooler that I can just do a buy it now and drop in the new intel 6 core into my current mobo with out having to upgrade and waist another $1-$2000.
who knows but everything is hecka expensive at first specially these days.
Shoot when I bought my first set of ddr3 memory it ran me $300-$400 just for 3x1GB now I upgraded to 6x2GB for only about $120..
Just like video cards I remember buying x2 7800GTX's for like $500 each and now you can get them for like $25-$50 not that anyone would want one of them now but still its the point I am trying to make here.
You get what you pay for or you can wait till prices come down.
Like me though I have to have everything right here and now and always pay top dollar when I shoulda waited.
I feel like a crack whore but the only difference is I am hooked on electronics and games.
I wonder if there really is an addiction to this stuff??
Now that I think about it I have always had that kind of personality ever since the days of atari and my first computer the "Mac lisa".
Its been one upgrade after another but there is nothing like the high you get from seeing something new that you really really want.
The heart starts pounding,hands start to sweat,and the huge drooling smile on your face knowing your about to get the next best thing.
Kinda like dating huh?? But to bad I am married with kids, ohhh robot chicks LOL thats another topic HEHE
Sorry I will stop rambling now..
Shoot when I bought my first set of ddr3 memory it ran me $300-$400 just for 3x1GB now I upgraded to 6x2GB for only about $120..
Just like video cards I remember buying x2 7800GTX's for like $500 each and now you can get them for like $25-$50 not that anyone would want one of them now but still its the point I am trying to make here.
You get what you pay for or you can wait till prices come down.
Like me though I have to have everything right here and now and always pay top dollar when I shoulda waited.
I feel like a crack whore but the only difference is I am hooked on electronics and games.
I wonder if there really is an addiction to this stuff??
Now that I think about it I have always had that kind of personality ever since the days of atari and my first computer the "Mac lisa".
Its been one upgrade after another but there is nothing like the high you get from seeing something new that you really really want.
The heart starts pounding,hands start to sweat,and the huge drooling smile on your face knowing your about to get the next best thing.
Kinda like dating huh?? But to bad I am married with kids, ohhh robot chicks LOL thats another topic HEHE
Sorry I will stop rambling now..
Some of the more synthetic becnhmarks(sandra, 3dmark CPU) show some really impressive gains, but most of the tests seem to showing a less than 10% difference. Obviously these are desktop benchmarks and this is a server cpu, but I thought there would be at least around a 25% improvement. General system performance and even video encoding didn't really benefit much. The improvements in Office were really nice though, I never really assumed that these apps would be so well optimized for multiple cores.
Of course, the cryptography benches are awesome. I hope AES acceleration gets into Atom soon, I think that is one of the areas it can be most useful. I am afraid to do full system encryption on my netbook because I am afraid the performance hit would be too big.
Of course, the cryptography benches are awesome. I hope AES acceleration gets into Atom soon, I think that is one of the areas it can be most useful. I am afraid to do full system encryption on my netbook because I am afraid the performance hit would be too big.
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cool, surprisingly low power. comparatively low freq. and AMD hasn't made any promises about hyperthreading-style implementations.
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http://global.hkepc.com/3846/page/6#view
On page 6 there's something interesting in the gaming performance department. Going from 4 core 8MB L3 to 6 core 12MB L3 yields 5-6% performance improvement. That's telling of Arrandale's 3MB L3 and 4MB L3 cache versions. Arrandale's 3MB cache will be 12-way while the 4MB will be 16 way. Associativity of Bloomfield and Gulftown is the same 16 way.
(None of the games benched benefit from going above 4 cores/threads)
Another thing is the synthetic benchmarks. Notice how the Inter-Core Bandwidth and Inter-Core Latency improved a bit. Latency improved 15% and Bandwidth improved 4%.
Perhaps the latency of the L3 was lowered or Uncore clocks improved. It could also be very well its using a 3 cycle L1 cache but that's a bigger change than lowering L3 latencies.
On page 6 there's something interesting in the gaming performance department. Going from 4 core 8MB L3 to 6 core 12MB L3 yields 5-6% performance improvement. That's telling of Arrandale's 3MB L3 and 4MB L3 cache versions. Arrandale's 3MB cache will be 12-way while the 4MB will be 16 way. Associativity of Bloomfield and Gulftown is the same 16 way.
(None of the games benched benefit from going above 4 cores/threads)
Another thing is the synthetic benchmarks. Notice how the Inter-Core Bandwidth and Inter-Core Latency improved a bit. Latency improved 15% and Bandwidth improved 4%.
Perhaps the latency of the L3 was lowered or Uncore clocks improved. It could also be very well its using a 3 cycle L1 cache but that's a bigger change than lowering L3 latencies.
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Golf town looks very impressive. Very future proof looking according to those benchies.
That performance looks very scewed compared to Clarkdale. But I wouldn't know since I haven't got a Golftown . Nor at this moment in time do I desire one. But for people to make these STUPID assumptions about Golftown based on these Benchies is rather foolish.
AMd released its CL for cpus . When we have windows 7 in retail and a few appa that will support it . Well see how much more Golftown has . Its looks to be in these benchies less than 50% utilization . Than of course Larrabee is here when Golftown arrives. Anyone who believes Intel will not fully utilize the CPU with lattabee hasn't been paying attention.
For the moment Clarkdale has my full attention . But thats only because its easier to take advantage of 4 threads than it is 12 threads . Really me thinks . But When we Have Golftown in our hands (retail) . Larrabee well be here AMD will have there CL for cpu going strong by than and apps will be Here. In gameing with larrabbe and Havok it should be interesting 2010. For those who keep saying Havok won't have physics on a gpu . WHY do you keep spreading those lies?
Read about physics on larrabee. Where do ya suppose thats coming from . Now AMD at first won't have . But AMD is only 1 compiler away from being able to match up with Intel larrabee. FACT. To Say today Golftown isn't the real deal is laughable . Because Today IS NOT tomorrow . Golftown isn't today . When golftown is released benchies will be is a state of upheavel. WHY? Because Intel only needs to optimize for the bench marks to kick all to curve . But many will complain its un fair and not real world . Which for most part at the time would be true. But after all apps are optimized . Than it is infact a good benchmark . But thats at least some time away . But the beginning has begone the cirle becomes complete when larrabee is released . When we go gack to were we started with graphics . Golf town will provide much needed help for an intel larrabee setup .
The proof of that will be AMD platiforms running larrabee in chugg mode comparred to intels golftown .
That performance looks very scewed compared to Clarkdale. But I wouldn't know since I haven't got a Golftown . Nor at this moment in time do I desire one. But for people to make these STUPID assumptions about Golftown based on these Benchies is rather foolish.
AMd released its CL for cpus . When we have windows 7 in retail and a few appa that will support it . Well see how much more Golftown has . Its looks to be in these benchies less than 50% utilization . Than of course Larrabee is here when Golftown arrives. Anyone who believes Intel will not fully utilize the CPU with lattabee hasn't been paying attention.
For the moment Clarkdale has my full attention . But thats only because its easier to take advantage of 4 threads than it is 12 threads . Really me thinks . But When we Have Golftown in our hands (retail) . Larrabee well be here AMD will have there CL for cpu going strong by than and apps will be Here. In gameing with larrabbe and Havok it should be interesting 2010. For those who keep saying Havok won't have physics on a gpu . WHY do you keep spreading those lies?
Read about physics on larrabee. Where do ya suppose thats coming from . Now AMD at first won't have . But AMD is only 1 compiler away from being able to match up with Intel larrabee. FACT. To Say today Golftown isn't the real deal is laughable . Because Today IS NOT tomorrow . Golftown isn't today . When golftown is released benchies will be is a state of upheavel. WHY? Because Intel only needs to optimize for the bench marks to kick all to curve . But many will complain its un fair and not real world . Which for most part at the time would be true. But after all apps are optimized . Than it is infact a good benchmark . But thats at least some time away . But the beginning has begone the cirle becomes complete when larrabee is released . When we go gack to were we started with graphics . Golf town will provide much needed help for an intel larrabee setup .
The proof of that will be AMD platiforms running larrabee in chugg mode comparred to intels golftown .
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Look guys. Read the physicsX thread on priority. People talking about what makes Sense.
OK . I looked and this move surprized me . It also gave me a little hope NV may actually have something here. If they do. Be retarded of them to share with everthing else going on around them .
Intels project Offset Is said to be Intel platiform only. That tells me one of 2 things or 2 of 2 things .
The rumor suggest that you have to have a larrabee card to start with, Compareed to Present cards . Or that it will play only on an intel system period.
Either way thats pretty priority of Intel if its true. But is intel going priority ? NO they are not . Proof of concept is what I believe this game is all about. But than one has to look over at AMD releasing CL for CPU. Not working on physics on GPU goes the cry. Ya they are with HavoK(Intel)(HaVoK)
Look AMD works on CL for CPU Intel works on CL for cpu also . Intel larrabee X86??? or intel Larrabee Native? What exactly is larrabee native. Hard to say . But I am assuming looking at what all players are doing . It has a lot to do with VLIW with the vectors units .Somehow intel has tied x86 and Vliw together somehow. Which makes perfect Sense . Itanic(epiC). Than you look at what AMD is doing. Amd seems to be exspecting something from intel other than money! What would feel in all the missing dots. A compiler. That works with ATI VLIW and Transmedias tech which amds has acess to to morh x86 on a gpu. Intel has a compiler that does just that very thing .Amasing isn't it?
OK . I looked and this move surprized me . It also gave me a little hope NV may actually have something here. If they do. Be retarded of them to share with everthing else going on around them .
Intels project Offset Is said to be Intel platiform only. That tells me one of 2 things or 2 of 2 things .
The rumor suggest that you have to have a larrabee card to start with, Compareed to Present cards . Or that it will play only on an intel system period.
Either way thats pretty priority of Intel if its true. But is intel going priority ? NO they are not . Proof of concept is what I believe this game is all about. But than one has to look over at AMD releasing CL for CPU. Not working on physics on GPU goes the cry. Ya they are with HavoK(Intel)(HaVoK)
Look AMD works on CL for CPU Intel works on CL for cpu also . Intel larrabee X86??? or intel Larrabee Native? What exactly is larrabee native. Hard to say . But I am assuming looking at what all players are doing . It has a lot to do with VLIW with the vectors units .Somehow intel has tied x86 and Vliw together somehow. Which makes perfect Sense . Itanic(epiC). Than you look at what AMD is doing. Amd seems to be exspecting something from intel other than money! What would feel in all the missing dots. A compiler. That works with ATI VLIW and Transmedias tech which amds has acess to to morh x86 on a gpu. Intel has a compiler that does just that very thing .Amasing isn't it?
RussianSensation
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$1000 6 core intel CPU will only cater to enthusiasts and those who use specific applications that benefit substantially from 6 cores + HT. Therefore, for most people there is nothing to be excited about. If Intel released a 32nm Core i7 3.0ghz for $200-$250 that overclocked to 4.5ghz, then it would be a lot more exciting and actually faster.
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You just did a repost out of 3.
There is now 3 threads like this floating around. Please use search next time.
But JCornel, also a acquaintance of mine, showed us gulftown in full glory with 24 active threads here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2323434&enterthread=y
There is now 3 threads like this floating around. Please use search next time.
But JCornel, also a acquaintance of mine, showed us gulftown in full glory with 24 active threads here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2323434&enterthread=y
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