Guitar players...

What do you think about this? Is the tube a gimmick or is it worth the extra $100 over a Pod 2.0?

Been looking at the V-AMP 2 and Pod until I saw this. I am wonder how good this really is. Are any of the amp modelers really better than software solutions like Amplitube, Guitar Rig, or ever the free SimulAnalog stuff?
 

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Interesting...

Find one in a shop somewhere and try it out. :)
My local Sam Ash had the Tonelab out but you need headphones and a guitar to play with it and I don't want to deal with their slimy sales people :)

I know a couple of people here have the V-AMP and Pod though.
 

Scarpozzi

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Just keep in mind that digital emulators and such are pretty good. Think about it....they generate most of the music we listen to on the radio anyhow...

The only downside is that resale of the box would be a lot less than a real AMP. You won't be able to get anything out of it. I use a couple of boxes like this and am pretty pleased with the sounds I can get out of my guitars. Hit up a few music stores and check some sample units. Then read reviews and make a decision on the best system for what you want. VOX was getting most of their feedback from Ibanez if I remember correctly. They're probably pretty good.
 

Fritzo

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Never tried it, but all this tube stuff is hype these days anyway. Tube amps back in the day actually were AWFUL. They would sound great if you could tweak them to just the right conditions, but you have problems with hum, bad tubes, feedback...you name it. People don't know how easy we have it these days with electronics.
 

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i have a vamp-2 and i love it and it's a fraction of the cost of the pod. i've always liked vox products, they've been around since the beatles era so they have a good reputation. sound though is all about personal taste, i used to buy things without hearing them, but now i must play through it and hear someone else play through it.


http://www.harmony-central.com/User_Reviews/ if you decide not to go by sound.
 

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Never tried it, but all this tube stuff is hype these days anyway. Tube amps back in the day actually were AWFUL. They would sound great if you could tweak them to just the right conditions, but you have problems with hum, bad tubes, feedback...you name it. People don't know how easy we have it these days with electronics.
I go both ways on the issue. I like the dependability of solid state, but tubes really did create a fuller sound. Not just for guitar amps, I am talking receivers, TVs, etc. SS is missing something, and not everyone can hear it. Even the best amp models I have heard are missing the fullness and (I hate this word) warmth of the tube sound. It sounds like the got the clipping right, but the whole low-end is missing something.

This is another one of those VBR MP3 vs 128k WMA debates that really boils down to the individual.
 

Jpark

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you could have the best of both worlds and find an amp like mine that has tube and solid state power :D
 

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Originally posted by: jpark932
you could have the best of both worlds and find an amp like mine that has tube and solid state power :D

ding ding

i love my marshall valvestate 100w head :)
 

Platypus

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Mostly garbage, stick with a tube amp and perhaps one that can do solid-state as well if you're into 1000000 effects.

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Uh yeah dude, the list on that is 600, retail is 300, for that kind of money get something with resale value and that won't sound like a sh!tty digital modeling amp (with one tube) with no life or tone
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: dwell
Originally posted by: jpark932
you could have the best of both worlds and find an amp like mine that has tube and solid state power :D
Yeah that would be perfect. I have the Roland Microcube now which does modeling. It does that really well, but it's still not the real deal.

I want one of these now too:

http://www.neoseeker.com/Artic...Reviews/aopenax4btube/

I have a Microcube too! It goes with me where ever I go (battery power rox :D ). The models on the amp are fun, but not really accurate. Great sounding amp though!!!

I had some Orange and Vox tube amps about 15 years ago in my band days, and I loved them, but MAN were they high maintenence. I remember having to put spacers underneath my Orange so it would set level. Otherwise the tubes would lean and cause awful feedback. Don't miss stuff like that. Today's tube modelers are pretty damn close. Most couldn't tell the difference unless they said something about it.
 

thomsbrain

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the microcube is a fine little amp for bedroom practice. and the battery capability is cool.

in terms of real tone though, modelers don't even come close. i mean not even freaking close. you wouldn't want to be caught dead playing one in any live situation. they are useful for recording in apartments but other than that and damage-control type studio band-aids, they have no professional applications. as for hybrid amps, i used to play a marshall valvestate and i thought it was great until i had an hour alone with a real tube marshall. i went straight out and bought one for myself. so. much. better.

fritzo, your tube problem was caused by microphonic tubes. a simple switch to a set of tubes that didn't suck would have cured it. many people actually consider the old marshalls and mesa boogies to be more reliable than the new ones. i have a new one and it hasn't given me any trouble after several years of heavy gigging, practice, marathon recording sessions with the volume pegged at 10, etc. but the first thing i did when i bought it was change the tubes. the stock ones were microphonic, just like fritzo's. and i understand proper tube biasing, warm-up/cool-down procedures, etc.

as for software modelers: if you compare modelers from the same company, you're getting the same models, so it will sound the same. the software is probably a little better because you're not dealing with that extra D/A and A/D conversion. you do need a direct box (DI) to properly feed them, unless they come with an input box of their own. amplitude is probably the most commonly used set of modelers in pro studios. but most engineers consider modelers an emergancy backup solution rather than a "ok, time for guitars, let's fire up our modelers!"
 

Fritzo

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I use Line6 models all the time live. They're great, and you don't have to lug a bunch of gear around. If they sucked, people wouldn't be using them. Go to a guitar shop and play around with a PodXT Live. You'll be suprised.
 

thomsbrain

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
I use Line6 models all the time live. They're great, and you don't have to lug a bunch of gear around. If they sucked, people wouldn't be using them. Go to a guitar shop and play around with a PodXT Live. You'll be suprised.

i have. it sucks. :D
 

UncleWai

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I just bought a V-amp Pro on Ebay for $108 shipped.
V-amp 2 does that exact same thing except it looks like a toy.
 

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Fritzo
I use Line6 models all the time live. They're great, and you don't have to lug a bunch of gear around. If they sucked, people wouldn't be using them. Go to a guitar shop and play around with a PodXT Live. You'll be suprised.

i have. it sucks. :D

I am wondering how much the tube in the Tonelab adds to the sound. Reviews are pretty good at harmonycentral. I got to give it a listen myself.
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Fritzo
I use Line6 models all the time live. They're great, and you don't have to lug a bunch of gear around. If they sucked, people wouldn't be using them. Go to a guitar shop and play around with a PodXT Live. You'll be suprised.

i have. it sucks. :D

You don't have it then.

Pod Live XT