Guess which party received over 1 Million dollars from foreign sources?

[Linflas]

Dems have raised more than $1 million this cycle from foreign-affiliated PACs

Democratic leaders in the House and Senate alleging GOP groups have funneled foreign money into campaign ads have seen their party raise more than $1 million from political action committees affiliated with foreign companies.

House and Senate Democrats have received about $1.02 million this cycle from such PACs, according to an analysis compiled for The Hill by the Center for Responsive Politics. House and Senate GOP leaders have taken almost $510,000 from PACs on the same list.

Got to love the hypocrisy, now what was that about the Chinese Communist Party funding a takeover of the Republican Party again?

 

[CycloWizard]

While I don't think foreign parties should be throwing money into our elections, this is really a drop in the ocean.

 

[boomerang]

Here's some more hypocrisy.

Chamber Support for Democratic Candidates Not a Concern, White House Says

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Sunday that he's not concerned about Democrats who are getting help from the Chamber, though President Obama has put the group in his campaign crosshairs and accused it of secretly influencing U.S. elections.

 

[Linflas]

Here's some more hypocrisy.

Chamber Support for Democratic Candidates Not a Concern, White House Says

I really didn't pay much attention to Obama's blathering about this until I saw the clip of Axelrod on Shieffer's Sunday Morning show answer Bob Shieffer's question:

"This part about foreign money, that appears to be peanuts, Mr. Axelrod, do you have any evidence that it's anything other than peanuts?"

Axelrod: "Well, do you have any evidence that it's not, Bob?"

The Dems love to invoke the image of Joe McCarthy whenever they get the chance yet that is right out of Tailgunner Joe's playbook. Charges like this should not be coming from the Whitehouse unless they have concrete evidence to back it up.

 

[Moonbeam]

Dem foreign PACs aren't communist and the Republican money isn't going to Democrats who will support the Communist party. Republican money is from Communist China to fund the Republican Communist take over of America. Get real. This is so obvious.

 

[BoberFett]

Dem foreign PACs aren't communist and the Republican money isn't going to Democrats who will support the Communist party. Republican money is from Communist China to fund the Republican Communist take over of America. Get real. This is so obvious.

More failure from the left.

This thread will be ignored until Craig finds it, at which point he'll talk about how foreign money going to the Democrats is OK because they're honest and noble, while foreign money going to Republicans is just funding the evil party.

 

[bfdd]

I just find it funny that some of you guys think that the parties are some how different.

 

[BoberFett]

I just find it funny that some of you guys think that the parties are some how different.

The Democrats that infest this forum like cockroaches are still in denial. Everyone knows that the Republican party is vile, so when you see people defending them all you can do is shake your head. Somehow when Democrats don't realize that their party is equally vile, it offends me so much more. Probably because they paint themselves as saints and truly believe it to be so, while high ranking Republicans can barely stifle their laughter when they like to you.

 

[Craig234]

Here's a point the OP did not include in his quote - all the money is from *US citizens*:

The PACS are funded entirely by contributions from U.S. employees of subsidiaries of foreign companies.

This is a big difference. US citizens have that right.

Now, you can argue all day that these citizens are making a bad choice what policies to support - but that's their right as citizens.

It's a difference between US citizens who work for a foreign corporation to decide that they support policies that benefit those corporations, and for actual foreign corporate owners to influence US elections. A US citizens can donate in support of Democrats, or Republicans, or Libertarians, or China, or Russia, or Mexico, or 'the moon is made of cheese'. That's their right.

If you really feel that strongly that citizens are overly influenced by working for foreign corporations to the point they put the employers' interests above the country's, your issue is really with having foreign corporations have employees here at all - not the right for citizens to support the cause they like.

This reminds me of the of the ugliness we had when southern states with foreign car companies opposed bailing out GM and Chrysler - less for patriotic than selfish reasons.

You didn't see the same people who are trying to make something out of this posting the same thing against the foreign-influenced opponents of the GM bailouts.

Not to mention the anonymous donations issue, with nearly all of them going to Republicans.

 

[PeshakJang]

The Democrats are taking money from foreign governments to fund their campaigns.

The charge has been made... it's up to the Democrats to prove that they are innocent. Until they do, it can be assumed that this is the case.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Democrats are taking money from foreign governments to fund their campaigns.

The charge has been made... it's up to the Democrats to prove that they are innocent. Until they do, it can be assumed that this is the case.

Heh. The OP's linked piece makes no such claims, explicitly states otherwise-

The PACS are funded entirely by contributions from U.S. employees of subsidiaries of foreign companies. All of the contributions are made public under Federal Elections Commission rules, and the PACs affiliated with the subsidiaries of foreign corporations are governed by the same rules that American firms' PACs or other PACs would face.

That can't be said for the way that the C of C handles their money...

Sadly enough, facts do have a liberal bias.

 

[Bowfinger]

Here's a point the OP did not include in his quote - all the money is from *US citizens*:



This is a big difference. US citizens have that right.

Now, you can argue all day that these citizens are making a bad choice what policies to support - but that's their right as citizens.

It's a difference between US citizens who work for a foreign corporation to decide that they support policies that benefit those corporations, and for actual foreign corporate owners to influence US elections. A US citizens can donate in support of Democrats, or Republicans, or Libertarians, or China, or Russia, or Mexico, or 'the moon is made of cheese'. That's their right.

If you really feel that strongly that citizens are overly influenced by working for foreign corporations to the point they put the employers' interests above the country's, your issue is really with having foreign corporations have employees here at all - not the right for citizens to support the cause they like.

This reminds me of the of the ugliness we had when southern states with foreign car companies opposed bailing out GM and Chrysler - less for patriotic than selfish reasons.

You didn't see the same people who are trying to make something out of this posting the same thing against the foreign-influenced opponents of the GM bailouts.

Not to mention the anonymous donations issue, with nearly all of them going to Republicans.

That should shut up the sock puppets ... except they're incapable of seeing and processing anything that counters their programming.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Dems have also benefited from foreign funding. That's why every single dollar from every source should be accounted for and publicly disclosed. Even better, let's amend the Constitution to stipulate that money is not protected speech, and that organizations of any sort are not individuals and have no Constitutional rights. Only people do, and their right to bribe government candidates, officials, and employees must be tightly limited.

That's my Utopian ideal. Pity our system has been too thoroughly corrupted by big money for it to ever happen.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Dem foreign PACs aren't communist and the Republican money isn't going to Democrats who will support the Communist party. Republican money is from Communist China to fund the Republican Communist take over of America. Get real. This is so obvious.

More failure from the left.

This thread will be ignored until Craig finds it, at which point he'll talk about how foreign money going to the Democrats is OK because they're honest and noble, while foreign money going to Republicans is just funding the evil party.

You don't read too good. That was what I said.

 

[techs]

Here's a point the OP did not include in his quote - all the money is from *US citizens*:



This is a big difference. US citizens have that right.

Now, you can argue all day that these citizens are making a bad choice what policies to support - but that's their right as citizens.

It's a difference between US citizens who work for a foreign corporation to decide that they support policies that benefit those corporations, and for actual foreign corporate owners to influence US elections. A US citizens can donate in support of Democrats, or Republicans, or Libertarians, or China, or Russia, or Mexico, or 'the moon is made of cheese'. That's their right.

If you really feel that strongly that citizens are overly influenced by working for foreign corporations to the point they put the employers' interests above the country's, your issue is really with having foreign corporations have employees here at all - not the right for citizens to support the cause they like.

This reminds me of the of the ugliness we had when southern states with foreign car companies opposed bailing out GM and Chrysler - less for patriotic than selfish reasons.

You didn't see the same people who are trying to make something out of this posting the same thing against the foreign-influenced opponents of the GM bailouts.

Not to mention the anonymous donations issue, with nearly all of them going to Republicans.

That should shut up the sock puppets ... except they're incapable of seeing and processing anything that counters their programming.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Dems have also benefited from foreign funding. That's why every single dollar from every source should be accounted for and publicly disclosed. Even better, let's amend the Constitution to stipulate that money is not protected speech, and that organizations of any sort are not individuals and have no Constitutional rights. Only people do, and their right to bribe government candidates, officials, and employees must be tightly limited.

That's my Utopian ideal. Pity our system has been too thoroughly corrupted by big money for it to ever happen.

OP HAS BEEN PWNED.

/thread

 

[CycloWizard]

The Democrats are taking money from foreign governments to fund their campaigns.

The charge has been made... it's up to the Democrats to prove that they are innocent. Until they do, it can be assumed that this is the case.

That's not how the burden of proof works. The burden of proof rests with the charger as a result of that whole pesky "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

 

[Darwin333]

Dems have raised more than $1 million this cycle from foreign-affiliated PACs



Got to love the hypocrisy, now what was that about the Chinese Communist Party funding a takeover of the Republican Party again?

You got it all wrong.

It is ok for them to do it now because the other side did it first and they have to do it in order to keep it fair.... or something along those lines.

 

[Darwin333]

That's not how the burden of proof works. The burden of proof rests with the charger as a result of that whole pesky "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

I think it was meant as satire due to the Chamber of Commerce accusations that, at least when I read the story, had little hard evidence behind them and since the Chamber of Commerce refused to open its books to prove their innocence they must be guilty. I just skimmed the story so someone please correct me if I am wrong but I believe that was the gist of it.

As far as the OP, if Craig is right then this is bad reporting and a non-issue. If it is a US citizen donating money it doesn't matter who they work for (nor should it) assuming everything is legal of course.

 

[spidey07]

Double Standard is the norm for leftist. Do as I say, not as I do. Freedom of speech, as long as you agree with me.

Fuck Obama.

 

[PeshakJang]

I think it was meant as satire due to the Chamber of Commerce accusations that, at least when I read the story, had little hard evidence behind them and since the Chamber of Commerce refused to open its books to prove their innocence they must be guilty. I just skimmed the story so someone please correct me if I am wrong but I believe that was the gist of it.

Yeah, that was the point. That's been the Democrat mantra for quite a while now... "It isn't the nature of the evidence, it's the seriousness of the charge". Kinda hard to deny it when they come right out and SAY that you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. The bounty of examples of this strategy being used would suffice otherwise.

 

[lothar]

Here's some more hypocrisy.

Chamber Support for Democratic Candidates Not a Concern, White House Says

Now that the OP has proven to be false, is anyone going to address this other major point?

 

[Lemon law]

Food fight food fight, Bobberfett v Moonbeam. Row row our boat merrily down the stream, life is just a scheme.

Money is constitutionally protected right of free speech, if we want to sell our American democracy rights down the river, should we not demand a higher bidder price?

Even ebay has a reserve price, why should we Americans sell out with no reserve?
Dare we hope, Iran, Chevez, and Cuba will bid more than China. Why sell our selves out for cheap?

Scalia, Scalia I once met a activist judge named Scalia, and suddenly it seems, I and everyone else in the USA is screwed.

I for one demand free Vaseline.

 

[lothar]

That should shut up the sock puppets ... except they're incapable of seeing and processing anything that counters their programming.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Dems have also benefited from foreign funding. That's why every single dollar from every source should be accounted for and publicly disclosed. Even better, let's amend the Constitution to stipulate that money is not protected speech, and that organizations of any sort are not individuals and have no Constitutional rights. Only people do, and their right to bribe government candidates, officials, and employees must be tightly limited.

That's my Utopian ideal. Pity our system has been too thoroughly corrupted by big money for it to ever happen.

This.
Unfortunately, Democrats believe only corporations should have to disclose and not labor unions, while Republicans believe the complete opposite.

Just write a simple bill stating that *every* money from *any* source should be accounted for and publicly disclosed. One line...How hard is that?
No need to write a disclosure bill along with 500 pages worth of exemptions for them.

Either disclose for all, or disclose for none.

 

[werepossum]

That should shut up the sock puppets ... except they're incapable of seeing and processing anything that counters their programming.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Dems have also benefited from foreign funding. That's why every single dollar from every source should be accounted for and publicly disclosed. Even better, let's amend the Constitution to stipulate that money is not protected speech, and that organizations of any sort are not individuals and have no Constitutional rights. Only people do, and their right to bribe government candidates, officials, and employees must be tightly limited.

That's my Utopian ideal. Pity our system has been too thoroughly corrupted by big money for it to ever happen.

This is probably going to happen, at least if progressives get their way. Thus we have the insanity that nude dancing or Madonnas painted with elephant dung are protected free speech whilst speaking out on political issues (which requires big money to be heard) will be forbidden and only allowable by government-approved outlets. The only question is where the left would stop - Cuba? Venezuela? Or full blown North Korea? We can discount Communist China as the left's model, far too much economic freedom.

 

[dmcowen674]

Guess which party received over 1 Million dollars from foreign sources?

Dems have raised more than $1 million this cycle from foreign-affiliated PACs

Only a million?

That's a piss poor job compared to Republicans, they deserve to lose.

 

[PeshakJang]

Only a million?

That's a piss poor job compared to Republicans, they deserve to lose.

It's actually twice as much, kiddo.

Poor little Davie, did you break your glasses?