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aplefka

Lifer
Feb 29, 2004
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Came in here expecting a bandolier of carrots to be posted about.

Talk about a buzzkill. If I bought a zune every time they had one for sale I'd be broke and have a zune for every day of the month.
 

Xylitol

Diamond Member
Aug 28, 2005
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Well the zune2 is coming out tomorrow, so many people are holding out till then
 

Jules

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Damn, Just gave mine to my mom just last week or so. I should buy another one but i didn't even use the first one i had much.

EDIT** Nevermind doesn't come with the travel pack unless you buy more then one.
 

DarkThinker

Platinum Member
Mar 17, 2007
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Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
If DRM is an issue then vote with your wallet and only buy DRM free tracks. There's 3 ok sources (well soon there will be), iTunes, the Zune Marketplace (should be rolled out with the new software), and then Amazon. And of course the vast majority of CDs are DRM free, and will likely offer the highest quality you can get quite a bit of music at.

Let me give you a very similar example.

Sony for instance learned the hard way, I used to be a big NetMD enthusiast. I just loved my NetMD player and what it allowed me to do that other players just couldn't match.
But A short while afterwards, I started detecting the trend in it. First I wasn't allowed to use my NetMD player without Sony's software no matter how hard I tried, I was locked in to their software and I was locked to fsckin windows. Then the NetMD player software started telling me it will allow me to import this MP3 but not that MP3 because it just didn't like them, then I had tracks on my NetMD, my PC hard drive failed and the tracks I really liked and paid money for were stuck on my NetMD discs, I reinstalled the NetMD software on a new hard drive and OS and now I can't take the tracks of the discs because well the Sony software just won't recognize that I own my own tracks.

I got pissed, I called Sony customer services and told them that they stink, I own my Music and no one that I pay money to has the right to tell me how I can handle my own files and music NO ONE. I sold all my players, 3 high end ones actually. I completely discouraged those who would take my advice from buying Sony players (which is quiet a number) and I kept shooting emails to Sony and telling them how I liked hardware and how they paired it with the worst of software and how they needed to get their act together or they will be losing more and more customers like me.
And TBH I don't think I was the only ex-Sony customer that was doing the same either.

Sony sales just plummeted. Demand went down even for MP3 players too, people got sick of their policies and started going with other manufacturers that gave them more control, they then got the message.

So years went by, then out of now where, I got an email from Sony Electronics that now their software allows me to do what I wanted to do exactly and that they appreciated my feedback.
So with that resolved Sony players can be purely used without their stinky software. I can plug in a Sony player into any PC that supports USB storage devices then drag and drop my music and I am done.

I really love the hardware on their small MP3 sticks, they are very easy to control without looking at and usually feature an OLED. Now, I think I might just pick me up a Sony MP3 player stick to hookup to my Car's AUX and enjoy the good hardware without worrying about the crappy restrictions.

So why support companies that are pushing this ugly and user's rights abusing technology into the mainstream? Before you know it, if you keep making them money by buying Zune's and whatnot, everything will follow that trend and everyone would be screwed, heck you might run out of places that can sell you DRM free MP3's at some point, the lobbying is strong and places like Amazon and what not might not be able to stop it with all the lobbying behind it.

DRM makes sellers more money and they will utilize all that is in their power to force it upon the sheep of this world.
Just don't be a sheep, have the courage to tell crap that it is crap and have will power, otherwise you will get screwed before you know it and it would be too late.

Sorry if my post is on the extreme side of things, but this is reality, corporations will take advantage of their customers whenever the customers will allow them to. The customers at the end always have the purchasing power and they say what stinks and what doesn't.
 

Jules

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Well said DarkThinker. Its one of the reasons why i gave my zune away. Didn't like the software at all.
 

djheater

Lifer
Mar 19, 2001
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It does have AV out.

I love my brown zune. It's been great, the software could be better, hopefully the rebuild coming this week will be better.
 

MaxDepth

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Meh. I picked up the iRivier oh so long ago and they still work on Windows, Macm and Linux. I don't need to buy the latest bling gadget.


Oh, wait, I just did. :D
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
Mar 6, 2004
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IPOD FTW!!!!eleven!!1!

My roommate bought a white Zune the last time this came around (for $99, I should tell him :evil:) and it's pretty nice. The Zune software isn't much more than WMP11 with a freakin skin, I don't know why they couldn't have just made it a PlaysForSure device that worked with WMP instead of bailing on all the P4S people.
 

DarkThinker

Platinum Member
Mar 17, 2007
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Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
IPOD FTW!!!!eleven!!1!

My roommate bought a white Zune the last time this came around (for $99, I should tell him :evil:) and it's pretty nice. The Zune software isn't much more than WMP11 with a freakin skin, I don't know why they couldn't have just made it a PlaysForSure device that worked with WMP instead of bailing on all the P4S people.

Plays For Sure is but a testemony to what can a business partner expect from a company like Microsoft. You had Microsoft going around talking about standarizing crap and how the Play For Sure collaboration would serve the customer and allow files to be playable easily with no hassle, then when it came to practicing what they preached, they just flipped everyone the finger and made their own incompatible standard so they can reap the profits.

They should start a new standard and they should call it 'You Are Screwed 4 Sure'
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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so odd that everyone complains about the software. Is it because of the store? I never touch the store part of the software, as I have no need for a music store. I have my own music. DRM free. With that in mind, I actually don't mind the Zune software, as all it is to me, is an uglier version of WMP11. And I love WMP11. I use the Zune software everyday to listen to my music on my PC, and use it to transfer songs to my Zune and to rip from CDs. It is quite simple IMHO.
But I am definitely looking forward to the new Zune software and the Zune firmware update tomorrow. The screenshots of the new software make it look really nice.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
25,134
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Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: Mojoed
I was thinking about pulling the trigger on this Zune...

So wait a minute here, can I or can I NOT play non-drm music on this thing? I'm too tired to read the links above.

I either rip my own music, or buy DRM-free music from Amazon.

Will it play, and what are the restrictions?

No restrictions for non-drm music.

Unless you share it wirelessly with another Zune, and then it gets DRM added to it.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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I don't think that all of these "refurbished" Zunes are really "refurbished" at all... They're probably unsold overstock that Microsoft is trying to quickly unload before their second generation products are launched tomorrow. I mean, come on... Woot must have sold 50,000 of these "refurbished" Zunes by now, and Microsoft didn't exactly sell a lot of these things to begin with.
 
Mar 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
If DRM is an issue then vote with your wallet and only buy DRM free tracks. There's 3 ok sources (well soon there will be), iTunes, the Zune Marketplace (should be rolled out with the new software), and then Amazon. And of course the vast majority of CDs are DRM free, and will likely offer the highest quality you can get quite a bit of music at.

Let me give you a very similar example.

Sony for instance learned the hard way, I used to be a big NetMD enthusiast. I just loved my NetMD player and what it allowed me to do that other players just couldn't match.
But A short while afterwards, I started detecting the trend in it. First I wasn't allowed to use my NetMD player without Sony's software no matter how hard I tried, I was locked in to their software and I was locked to fsckin windows. Then the NetMD player software started telling me it will allow me to import this MP3 but not that MP3 because it just didn't like them, then I had tracks on my NetMD, my PC hard drive failed and the tracks I really liked and paid money for were stuck on my NetMD discs, I reinstalled the NetMD software on a new hard drive and OS and now I can't take the tracks of the discs because well the Sony software just won't recognize that I own my own tracks.

I got pissed, I called Sony customer services and told them that they stink, I own my Music and no one that I pay money to has the right to tell me how I can handle my own files and music NO ONE. I sold all my players, 3 high end ones actually. I completely discouraged those who would take my advice from buying Sony players (which is quiet a number) and I kept shooting emails to Sony and telling them how I liked hardware and how they paired it with the worst of software and how they needed to get their act together or they will be losing more and more customers like me.
And TBH I don't think I was the only ex-Sony customer that was doing the same either.

Sony sales just plummeted. Demand went down even for MP3 players too, people got sick of their policies and started going with other manufacturers that gave them more control, they then got the message.

So years went by, then out of now where, I got an email from Sony Electronics that now their software allows me to do what I wanted to do exactly and that they appreciated my feedback.
So with that resolved Sony players can be purely used without their stinky software. I can plug in a Sony player into any PC that supports USB storage devices then drag and drop my music and I am done.

I really love the hardware on their small MP3 sticks, they are very easy to control without looking at and usually feature an OLED. Now, I think I might just pick me up a Sony MP3 player stick to hookup to my Car's AUX and enjoy the good hardware without worrying about the crappy restrictions.

So why support companies that are pushing this ugly and user's rights abusing technology into the mainstream? Before you know it, if you keep making them money by buying Zune's and whatnot, everything will follow that trend and everyone would be screwed, heck you might run out of places that can sell you DRM free MP3's at some point, the lobbying is strong and places like Amazon and what not might not be able to stop it with all the lobbying behind it.

DRM makes sellers more money and they will utilize all that is in their power to force it upon the sheep of this world.
Just don't be a sheep, have the courage to tell crap that it is crap and have will power, otherwise you will get screwed before you know it and it would be too late.

Sorry if my post is on the extreme side of things, but this is reality, corporations will take advantage of their customers whenever the customers will allow them to. The customers at the end always have the purchasing power and they say what stinks and what doesn't.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. You completely overblow several points. MP3 player sales did not decline, as you can see with the meteoric rise of iPod sales, which is close to as bad as the Zune as far as controlling your music on it. Not only that, but DRM-free music sales are only increasing now that several large companies are starting to offer them (being those 3 that I listed). Do you think Microsoft really cares which music you buy as far as DRM goes? I doubt it, as the more DRM-free music you buy the more the message gets sent that you'll opt for the DRM-free stuff, and the more the companies will see that people prefer that. Microsoft does not own the rights to the music, so therefore enforcing DRM is something they felt they had to do in order to appease the media companies.

Sony's decline was brought on by a lot of bad decisions, and their hardware actually even went to crap for a while as well. Fact is, the iPod is a big reason why Sony got slammed so badly, and guess what, iTunes is a huge part of why the iPod sold/sells so well. Sony just became uncompetitive in the market. It didn't help that they were enforcing more and more DRM, but that was hardly the main reason they had so much trouble competing in the MP3 segment.
 

Cdubneeddeal

Diamond Member
Oct 22, 2003
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Well..had to bite. Bought two of them, one for myself and one for my brother in law. I was going to buy a few of them, one for me and one for each of my older nieces and nephews but I didn't want jealousy to happen at Christmas.
 

Trianon

Golden Member
Jun 13, 2000
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www.conkurent.com
received 2 units plus travel kit Friday, great stuff, units looked brand new, updated to new firmware without any problems. Playlists with new software a kinda quirky, otherwise I am 110% satisfied with my purchase:)
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
25,134
2,450
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I can't believe that they blocked access to Woot on me at work. Hell... they'll let me go to total time wasters like myspace and youtube... but not Woot? :confused:

I guess that I must have hit F5 one TOO many times during the last WootOff ;)