Guess we better get ready for war with NK, boys

[SandEagle]

couldn't sell us into a war with Iran, so I guess NK will have to do for now. Economy won't recover and Obama and crew can place the blame for the economic downfall on NK. win win win win win win win

 

[JSt0rm]

couldn't sell us into a war with Iran, so I guess NK will have to do for now. Economy won't recover and Obama and crew can place the blame for the economic downfall on NK. win win win win win win win

obama tried to sell a war with iran?

do you have links to back that up?

 

[SandEagle]

obama tried to sell a war with iran?

do you have links to back that up?

hmmm, Iran was part of the old 'axis of evil' and listed as part of the 'new axis of evil' so I was just assuming that they were next. Iraq > Iran > NK > Syria

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/12/israel-minister-iran-syri_n_572960.html

 

[OCGuy]

Perhaps, but by whom?

In any event you can bet your rectum that every artillery emplacement has been identified and has targeting information already loaded for the bunker busters.

That very real threat may be gone very quickly if it looks like war.

Uhh.....not that simple. Seoul would be flattened. 18,000+ US troop casualties would not be impossible.

Plus the possibilty of a nuke....


A video game life is not.

 

[OCGuy]

hmmm, Iran was part of the old 'axis of evil' and listed as part of the 'new axis of evil' so I was just assuming that they were next. Iraq > Iran > NK > Syria

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/12/israel-minister-iran-syri_n_572960.html

So Obama sunk the SK ship?

You are a loon.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Uhh.....not that simple. Seoul would be flattened. 18,000+ US troop casualties would not be impossible.

Plus the possibilty of a nuke....


A video game life is not.

I know that last part at least as well as anyone else. Nevertheless there exist contingencies for this. If tensions escalate then expect movement on our part. NK could certainly launch a full scale surprise attack which might cause the damage you describe, but short of that it's not certain. They would cause considerable damage, however if there is warning NK might find that their artillery isn't as useful as they believe.

Much depends on the White House's understanding of the military situation, and that's problematic.

 

[Noobtastic]

hmmm, Iran was part of the old 'axis of evil' and listed as part of the 'new axis of evil' so I was just assuming that they were next. Iraq > Iran > NK > Syria

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/12/israel-minister-iran-syri_n_572960.html

this doesn't prove obama has been trying to sell a war with iran.

if anything, it's just the complete opposite - since day one his foreign policy was based on embracing tyrants and enemies and sandbagging historic allies (britain, israel, etc..)

i wouldn't be surprised if we left SK out to dry.

i really don't support an american-invasion of north korea, even if north korea attacks first.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Uhh.....not that simple. Seoul would be flattened. 18,000+ US troop casualties would not be impossible.

Plus the possibilty of a nuke....


A video game life is not.

Yeah. Seoul would be flattened. It's like an hour drive from the border. I bet the real battle would be pretty bloody and longdrawn. I think SK and US would do everything to protect Seoul from falling but it's not like we're going to be able to do much against a million man army assuming they can deploy quickly. It takes us forever just to deploy troops.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yeah. Seoul would be flattened. It's like an hour drive from the border. I bet the real battle would be pretty bloody and longdrawn. I think SK and US would do everything to protect Seoul from falling but it's not like we're going to be able to do much against a million man army assuming they can deploy quickly. It takes us forever just to deploy troops.

but we have bullets...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah. Seoul would be flattened. It's like an hour drive from the border. I bet the real battle would be pretty bloody and longdrawn. I think SK and US would do everything to protect Seoul from falling but it's not like we're going to be able to do much against a million man army assuming they can deploy quickly. It takes us forever just to deploy troops.

I understand that an army this size is a very real threat, but what would happen if Pyongyang was having the living crap bombed out of it? Would the troops abandon the city or move to defend it?

 

[JSt0rm]

I understand that an army this size is a very real threat, but what would happen if Pyongyang was having the living crap bombed out of it? Would the troops abandon the city or move to defend it?

who cares? 3 months with no food and its over.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

who cares? 3 months with no food and its over.

The people in Seoul might.

 

[Perknose]

I understand that an army this size is a very real threat, but what would happen if Pyongyang was having the living crap bombed out of it? Would the troops abandon the city or move to defend it?

I think Dear Leader would sacrifice his Dear City and as many of his Dear Subjects as needed to strike his heroic loser blow on the running dog captitalist lackeys and their fetid nest of character sapping consumer goods and freely available food in Seoul.

They are the one regime I really think is prepared to take others down with them.

 

[SandEagle]

So Obama sunk the SK ship?

You are a loon.

did i say that? you're the ass-eating loon, froot.

 

[disappoint]

I ain't even tryina hear that saber rattling from thems mofos yo! You know how we be. Keepin it reals son. Peace y'all.

 

[pcgeek11]

My read of the short term tea leaves is steeped up joint US and South Korean anti submarine patrols.

And it may just slake South Korean revenge if we send a North Korean sub or two into Davy Jone's locker. But the down side may be if one of those subs are Russian, Chinese, US, or South Korean.

You do know that we can tell the difference between these submarines without actually seeing them.

 

[Aegeon]

Yeah. Seoul would be flattened. It's like an hour drive from the border. I bet the real battle would be pretty bloody and longdrawn. I think SK and US would do everything to protect Seoul from falling but it's not like we're going to be able to do much against a million man army assuming they can deploy quickly. It takes us forever just to deploy troops.

Uh, reality check.

South Korea has one of the most powerful militaries in the world with 655,000 active troops and over 3 million reservists. They also drastically outclass North Korea in equipment with for example their modern and capable K1 and K1A1 tanks, while the North Korean tanks are basically exclusively T-55s and T-62 tanks or even worse. (The Soviet model North Korean tanks have that model number cause that is the year they first entered service.) The North Korean troops would be almost immediately stopped and certainly not reach Seoul.

While Seoul would be hit by artillery, only so much North Korean artillery can actually reach central Seoul, and South Korea actually has one of the world's most capable and absolutely state of the art tubed artillery models in the K-9 Thunder to provide extremely effective counter battery fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K9_Thunder

 

[Noobtastic]

Uh, reality check.

South Korea has one of the most powerful militaries in the world with 655,000 active troops and over 3 million reservists. They also drastically outclass North Korea in equipment with for example their modern and capable K1 and K1A1 tanks, while the North Korean tanks are basically exclusively T-55s and T-62 tanks or even worse. (The Soviet model North Korean tanks have that model number cause that is the year they first entered service.) The North Korean troops would be almost immediately stopped and certainly not reach Seoul.

While Seoul would be hit by artillery, only so much North Korean artillery can actually reach central Seoul, and South Korea actually has one of the world's most capable and absolutely state of the art tubed artillery models in the K-9 Thunder to provide extremely effective counter battery fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K9_Thunder

irrelevant.

NK knows its military is outclassed by SK.

this is why it chemical weapons and nuclear technology have replaced the once battle-tested and highly-trained north korean troops.

it is likely NK would use its nuclear or chemical weapons against the south in the event of a war. it has the capacity to deliver chemicals to seuol without challenge. it would be impossible for the SK or USA to destroy nk's chemical weapons without a preemptive strike.

as far as nukes go, north korea has more than one so it will likely not wait to use em' up. with only one nuke it would probably wait till the last second to launch, but with multiple silos it is likely they'll first strike it.

south korea will suffer serious casualties, 100,000+ and the north will be demolished.

 

[Aegeon]

as far as nukes go, north korea has more than one so it will likely not wait to use em' up. with only one nuke it would probably wait till the last second to launch, but with multiple silos it is likely they'll first strike it.

To be clear, we're talking about VERY primitive nukes from North Korea which almost certainly can't fit on a rocket or missile.

The only remotely plausible aerial type delivery vehicle would be the IL-28 (and its still extremely iffy that the aircraft can handle that much weight), and this is a bomber which first came out in 1950 with a max speed of 560 miles per hour. When up against the increasingly sophisticated South Korean air defense system with US backing, and further weighed down and performance impaired by its payload, the chance of it getting to South Korean soil to deliver its payload is remote.

It should be noted that unlike North Korea, South Korea has military vehicles with sophisticated NBC system to allow in troops to operate effectively in such an environment. (I.E. the K-9 Thunder's reloader vehicles can operate without exposing the crew in an NBC contaminated area.)

 

[Binarycow]

I was just sitting here reading Anandtech posts and thinking, all this talks (mine included) about going/not going to war with NK possibly could be pretty meaningless. For all we know, there could be an asteroid the size of Texas heading this way on a collision course with earth and there would not be damn thing any of us human can do about it.

I really wonder if all these we do to one another are really worth it.





OK, I'm done digressing.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, if we go to war, it's the end of the Constitutional Republic for not taking the Founders' advice.

Alliances are stupid, Jefferson and Washington agree with me and I agree with them.

Pure ignorance. There were damned near as many French troops as American in the battle of Yorktown, culminating in Cornwallis' surrender...

And, no, it seems unlikely that the Korean situation will escalate into full blown war. I suspect it's impossible for the NKoreans to admit that one of their guys got trigger happy. they could have been targetting the Cheonan as a training exercise and some fool pushed the wrong button for all we know...

One thing that won't happen is the NKoreans jumping up out of their holes and charging across the DMZ- they'd be annihilated in short order, and they know it.

 

[JSt0rm]

I really wonder if all these we do to one another are really worth it.

we are the only ones that can wipe us off the planet. Somebody has to do it :twisted:

 

[Brainonska511]

At a curiosity, what's the effective range of artillery and how close is Seoul to the DMZ?

 

[Key West]

At a curiosity, what's the effective range of artillery and how close is Seoul to the DMZ?

I'm originally from Korea and lived in Seoul. Korea is a pretty damn small ass country.

Seoul to the southermost port city Pusan is a mere 5 hour drive. Seoul to the DMZ border is an hour drive at max.

Man, I drove more than that today

 

[Brainonska511]

I'm originally from Korea and lived in Seoul. Korea is a pretty damn small ass country.

Seoul to the southermost port city Pusan is a mere 5 hour drive. Seoul to the DMZ border is an hour drive at max.

Man, I drove more than that today

I know it's a small country, but how far can artillery shoot? I've seen stuff for traditional artillery (not rocket-assisted) as having a max range of ~20km. Isn't Seoul more than 20km from the DMZ?