Guess It's Chris Dodd's turn to be under the bus...

sciwizam

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Looks like Dodd is getting thrown under.

Glenn Greenwald: The dishonest "Blame Dodd" scheme from Treasury officials

Jane Hamsher: Treasury Attempts to ?Blame Dodd? for AIG Bonuses

I don't know about Jane Hamsher, but Glenn Greenwald doesn't strike me as some right wing blowhard.

Please read the links before posting the usual drivel that goes on here, they present their case with factual links and are very informative.

Here's an excerpt from Greenwald:

Jane's post documents this sequence of events without any possibility for doubt. The debate that took place over limits on executive compensation for bailout-receiving companies only occurred six weeks ago, and it is all documented in the public press. Dodd was the one fighting against the White House in order to apply the prohibition to all bonus payments, i.e., to make the compensation limits retroactive as well as prospective. As but one crystal-clear example that proves this, here is a February 14 article from the Wall St. Journal on the debate over executive compensation limits:

The most stringent pay restriction bars any company receiving funds from paying top earners bonuses equal to more than one-third of their total annual compensation. That could severely crimp pay packages at big banks, where top officials commonly get relatively modest salaries but often huge bonuses.

As word spread Friday about the new and retroactive limit -- inserted by Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut -- so did consternation on Wall Street and in the Obama administration, which opposed it.


Can that be any clearer? It was Obama officials, not Dodd, who demanded that already-vested bonus payments be exempted.
And it was Dodd, not Obama officials, who wanted the prohibition applied to all compensation agreements, past and future. The provision which shielded already-promised bonus payments from the executive compensation limits ended up being inserted at the insistence of Geithner. A spokesperson for Dodd, who is now consumed by these completely unfair attacks, finally confirmed today that these provisions were inserted at the direction of Treasury officials:

Senator Dodd?s original executive compensation amendment adopted by the Senate did not include an exemption for existing contracts that provided for these types of bonuses. Because of negotiations with the Treasury Department and the bill Conferees, several modifications were made, including adding the exemption, to ensure that some bonus restrictions would be included in the final stimulus bill.

During the debate over these provisions, The Wall St. Journal article identified above reported explicitly that it was Geithner and Summers who were rejecting Dodd's limits on executive compensation as too broad and demanding that already-vested payments be exempted: exactly the exemption that protected the AIG bonuses and which they're now trying to blame on Dodd:

The administration is concerned the rules will prompt a wave of banks to return the government's money and forgo future assistance, undermining the aid program's effectiveness. Both Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, who heads the National Economic Council, had called Sen. Dodd and asked him to reconsider, these people said.

At the same time, The Hill reported that "President Obama and the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee [Dodd] are at odds on how to rein in the salaries of top executives whose companies are being propped up by the federal government" and that "most of the administration's concern stems from the Dodd's move to trump Obama's compensation provisions by seeking more aggressive restrictions." Let's repeat that: the Obama administration was complaining because the compensation restrictions Dodd wanted were too "aggressive."

That's just a small portion, read the rest over there.
 

cubeless

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and the point is?

dodd is a piece of shit who made a deal with the white house for some later consideration for not doing what was right, or dodd is a piece of shit who put something in the bill that he was planning to take out later to cover his ass because he got huge contributions from aig...

at the end of the day, in all cases, dodd is a piece of shit... let the throwing begin!!!

i feel almost sorry for the people on the bus, 'cuz they're gonna have one bumpy ass ride...
 

sciwizam

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The point is to know what really happened, not to get lost in the spin.

I, myself, have posted a link in some other thread implicating Dodd for tinkering with the Stimulus plan that might have stopped these bonuses. Dodd might be a POS, but it looks like this might not be Dodd's handiwork.
 

Kwatt

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Originally posted by: sciwizam
The point is to know what really happened, not to get lost in the spin.

I, myself, have posted a link in some other thread implicating Dodd for tinkering with the Stimulus plan that might have stopped these bonuses. Dodd might be a POS, but it looks like this might not be Dodd's handiwork.

When it comes to throwing some under the bus. I'd Drive.

But I want to be sure the right ones go under and for the right reason. Or it really won't be learning experience for the ones that replace them.


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irwincur

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Dodd is a crook. Look at his history with this company and the market in general. If you see anything else you are blinded by partisan madness.

he has his dirty fingers in this entire mess. By entire, I mean since the beginning.
 

Dari

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The United States is spending trillions of dollars on bad assets and all people are worried about is a couple of millions of dollars? Wow, John Adams was right. This is nothing but a distraction.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Dodd is a crook. Look at his history with this company and the market in general. If you see anything else you are blinded by partisan madness.

he has his dirty fingers in this entire mess. By entire, I mean since the beginning.


Exactly instead throw under the bus he should be thrown in jail. The guy is a crook and the senate needs to fully investigate the guy.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: irwincur
Dodd is a crook. Look at his history with this company and the market in general. If you see anything else you are blinded by partisan madness.

he has his dirty fingers in this entire mess. By entire, I mean since the beginning.

Exactly instead throw under the bus he should be thrown in jail. The guy is a crook and the senate needs to fully investigate the guy.
But he's a Democrat and they need his partyline vote. Same reason why Roland Burris is still in office.
 

ayabe

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Ok, I'm gonna repeat this.

Obama needs to fire Summers and Geithner for pulling this stunt, if not - he's dropping 3 pegs on the rung for me. This is a credibility issue and using Rovian political tactics doesn't fly with me.

Can't believe how complicit the MSM is on this, what a fucking joke.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Dari
The United States is spending trillions of dollars on bad assets and all people are worried about is a couple of millions of dollars? Wow, John Adams was right. This is nothing but a distraction.

No, most are concerned about both. Executives didn't pursue a path because of trillions, they did it to get the millions, which in turn (at least in part) led to the crisis we face.

It was greed that put us here, and if there isn't a mechanism to prevent this from happening again, it will. That's the point.
 

winnar111

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Haha, Chris Dodd is such a fool. He should have known Obama would throw him to the dogs. It's the same treatment that hard working taxpaying Americans are getting.


"It goes beyond just the issues," Dodd said in an appearance with Obama this morning in Cleveland, according to a transcript provided by Obama's campaign. "The candidates bring something else that transcends particular points of view on questions and that is their ability to reach and touch the hearts and souls of Americans. And Barack Obama has done that in my view."

:laugh:


 

Thump553

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A recent Quinnipiac poll found Dodd tied in a dead heat with Rob Simmons (GOP Representative who lost his seat in Nov. 2008). It inspired Simmons so much that he has decided to run for Senate against Dodd in the next election. Should be pretty interesting-Dodd's stature is falling fast, even though he is a six term Senator. People here still deeply resent him literally moving to Iowa last year to support his pathetic Presidential run.
 

daniel49

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They should strap Dodd and Barney Frank both to the back tires of the bus and then go on a long road trip. Got to be two of the biggest tools in congress.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: cubeless
and the point is?
-snip-

The point?

Obama and Geithner knew of these bonuses well before this public furor errupted.

So why then did Obama start this?

Elsewhere i have posted links that demonstrate Obama officials raised, unprompted, this to the MSM.

Geithner is claimed to have frantically notifed Obama when the payments occurred.

Obama still keeps denouncing and demonizing them.

There's tons of evidence that Obama, Geithner, and many Dem Congresspersons knew about these bonuses long ago.

Why did Obama start all this fuss?

I'll note Fanny's bonuses are still be made (if reports are correct), why no Obama fuss about this?

Looks like the admin blundered badly here in effort to look 'populist'.

Fern
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: cubeless
and the point is?
-snip-

The point?

Obama and Geithner knew of these bonuses well before this public furor errupted.

So why then did Obama start this?

Elsewhere i have posted links that demonstrate Obama officials raised, unprompted, this to the MSM.

Geithner is claimed to have frantically notifed Obama when the payments occurred.

Obama still keeps denouncing and demonizing them.

There's tone of evidence that Obama, Geithner, and many Dem Congresspersons knew about these bonuses long ago.

Why did Obama start all this fuss?

I'll note Fanny's bonuses are still be made (if reports are correct), why no Obama fuss about this?

Looks like the admin blundered badly here in effort to look 'populist'.

Fern

You sir are a right wing hack, you forget that the Democratic party looks out for the little guy, not big business.

 

sciwizam

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: cubeless
and the point is?
-snip-

The point?

Obama and Geithner knew of these bonuses well before this public furor errupted.

So why then did Obama start this?

Elsewhere i have posted links that demonstrate Obama officials raised, unprompted, this to the MSM.

Geithner is claimed to have frantically notifed Obama when the payments occurred.

Obama still keeps denouncing and demonizing them.

There's tons of evidence that Obama, Geithner, and many Dem Congresspersons knew about these bonuses long ago.

Why did Obama start all this fuss?

I'll note Fanny's bonuses are still be made (if reports are correct), why no Obama fuss about this?

Looks like the admin blundered badly here in effort to look 'populist'.

Fern

Might not be able to keep mum for long: Drudge picked this up

 

sciwizam

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Well, he admits that he did it, but with the Administration's input. So it's seems disingenuous for the Treasury or the Administration that it was all Dodd, all the time like they were spinning yesterday.
 

cubeless

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Ok, I'm gonna repeat this.

Obama needs to fire Summers and Geithner for pulling this stunt, if not - he's dropping 3 pegs on the rung for me. This is a credibility issue and using Rovian political tactics doesn't fly with me.

Can't believe how complicit the MSM is on this, what a fucking joke.

wow... the big o is in serious trouble when he loses the likes of y'all... that waking up to the fact that your boy is just another politician is harsh, ain't it... he's kind of starting to look like another guy who got to be president and then was really spun by his people to me...

 

cubeless

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: cubeless
and the point is?
-snip-

The point?

Obama and Geithner knew of these bonuses well before this public furor errupted.

So why then did Obama start this?

Elsewhere i have posted links that demonstrate Obama officials raised, unprompted, this to the MSM.

Geithner is claimed to have frantically notifed Obama when the payments occurred.

Obama still keeps denouncing and demonizing them.

There's tons of evidence that Obama, Geithner, and many Dem Congresspersons knew about these bonuses long ago.

Why did Obama start all this fuss?

I'll note Fanny's bonuses are still be made (if reports are correct), why no Obama fuss about this?

Looks like the admin blundered badly here in effort to look 'populist'.

Fern

my point is that they are all dirty... i'm sure not defending obitchslapped... he's just cratering faster than any of us could have guessed... y'all are going to be remembering gw and the dick with a nostalgic tear soon...
 

Fern

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I'm hearing it differently.

He said it was put in at the administration's suggestion.

Too much is documented about the administration's opposition to his tougher language (see sciwizam's Link from another thread), IDK why they tried to throw it on Dodd (how could they reasonably expect to get away with it?).

I expect to see this (the admin's mis-charachterization and false attempt to blame Dodd) on the MSM in the next few days as facts are checked.

They're taking a lot of criticism from the blogoshere for reporting verbatim what they were fed by admin officials; I think they're gonna be careful now.

Fern
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: cubeless
and the point is?
-snip-

The point?

Obama and Geithner knew of these bonuses well before this public furor errupted.

So why then did Obama start this?

Elsewhere i have posted links that demonstrate Obama officials raised, unprompted, this to the MSM.

Geithner is claimed to have frantically notifed Obama when the payments occurred.

Obama still keeps denouncing and demonizing them.

There's tons of evidence that Obama, Geithner, and many Dem Congresspersons knew about these bonuses long ago.

Why did Obama start all this fuss?

I'll note Fanny's bonuses are still be made (if reports are correct), why no Obama fuss about this?

Looks like the admin blundered badly here in effort to look 'populist'.

Fern

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Craig234

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Originally posted by: cubeless
y'all are going to be remembering gw and the dick with a nostalgic tear soon...

Wow, I thought I'd seen wrong things posted here, but you should get some award.