GTX680, images from THG review leaked

[felang]

Put it down in the $3xx range where it belonged at release?

I´d settle for a 7870 for around $250. But yeah, entire HD 7XXX series would need to come down like $100 to compete.

 

[SirPauly]

Why do people say stuff like this?



When the GTX 285 had an MSRP of what, $350 and the GTX 480 had an MSRP of $500.

How can they even say something that retarded and call them self unbias?

WTB $450 GTX 670!

Because that is what exactly happened. AMD prices did go up by 50 percent from performance to enthusiast priced segments.

 

[Olikan]

I am still confused.

i was too...than i read this...

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2162193/nvidias-gtx680-thrashed-amds-mid-range-radeon-hd-7870-gpu-compute

basicly, nvidia traded alot of the gpgpu for gaming performance...

FINALLY, someone realized that DP performance is useless for us...gj nvidia

 

[railven]

Because that is what exactly happened. AMD prices did go up by 50 percent from performance to enthusiast priced segments.

NVM, we've been down this road before. Clearly unbias people only point fingers in one direction. I'd rather not set off any red flags.

Go Premiums! Both sides are doing it now, it's a safe statement to make.

 

[sontin]

Assuming these charts are accurate, I'm wondering how much AMD will drop the prices on the 7000 series across the board, if at all. I would expect the 7970 to drop to $500 and even then it might not sell well against the 680. Maybe some rebates to bring it around $480.

If GTX680 starts at $499 than the price of the 7970 will be back at 5870/6970 level. I think it was $379? Because nVidia will bring a second GK104 card which will be placed between 7950 and 7970 and will cost less than $400. I don't think that AMD will lower their price two times in 1-2 months.

 

[badb0y]

Hats off to nVidia if this comes in at $499.

 

[Termie]

Everyone knows the 7970 was overpriced due to lack of competition. It came out at the same $/fps as the most expensive previous gen (GTX580), which was just unheard of for a next-gen graphics card.

Either nVidia can follow suit, or it can dominate. I think it will choose to dominate, just as AMD did when it rocked the GTX260/280 market with the introduction of a $300 HD4870.

There's no way this will cost more than $500.

 

[tviceman]

Not surprisingly, the gtxt680's lead vanishes or is greatly diminished at 2560p resolution. Looks to be bandwidth starved once it gets that high.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

280 was $650 at release, 480 to 580 was $500, I'm not seeing the dots you're connecting.

 

[tviceman]

If GTX680 starts at $499 than the price of the 7970 will be back at 5870/6970 level. I think it was $379? Because nVidia will bring a second GK104 card which will be placed between 7950 and 7970 and will cost less than $400. I don't think that AMD will lower their price two times in 1-2 months.

Hats off to nVidia if this comes in at $499.

NVM, we've been down this road before. Clearly unbias people only point fingers in one direction. I'd rather not set off any red flags.

Go Premiums! Both sides are doing it now, it's a safe statement to make.

Agreed, I think for this part to be considered a more successful launch than AMD's hd7970, it needs to come in at $549. Otherwise, it's marginally better for the same price 10 weeks later, not very exciting from a consumer's point of view.

 

[96Firebird]

Waiting to see how whatever card comes in at $300 performs with AMD's offerings around the same price point.

 

[railven]

280 was $650 at release, 480 to 580 was $500, I'm not seeing the dots you're connecting.

And where did I say GTX 280?

 

[MrK6]

I hope AT continues their overclocking analysis follow ups like they did on the 7xxx series. That and I'm hoping [H] cranks these to the moon and does a direct comparison to the 7970 models they overclocked.

 

[Jionix]

Put it down in the $3xx range where it belonged at release?

Than isn't that where the 680 also belongs than?

What I don't get is, by following some of the vitriol that AMD was getting by certain posters, and how it was overpriced, and the performance increase didn't justify it (considering the 580 was still ~450-500 ish, and the 7970 was ~20% faster), shouldn't the 680 also be getting that flack?

Let's assume for a moment that this is Nvidia's "mid" card. Why are they charging so much for it? Why are they gouging? They could probably sell this for 350 and still be making a healthy profit.

Nvidia is gouging it's customers by selling a mid range card for a high end price. This is, according to months of discussions and bickering.

So, Nvidia will get a pass for it's pricing, because it's AMD's fault for setting that level in the first place? Nvidia is not responsible?

And I'm not even going to get into AMD and their gouging.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It doesn't matter what you said because you've omitted so many other reference points your dots are scattered and have no logical connection points.

 

[blastingcap]

Take OP with a grain of salt, especially the efficiency chart (EDIT: which does NOT link to anything other than what the OP linked to, but I will take down the link just in case, due to someone complaining about a virus)

Cross check those numbers with legit reviews of the 7970 and 580 (compare 7970 vs 580, is it really 17%? Looks like 42% more perf/watt according to http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/29.html ).

 

[railven]

It doesn't matter what you said because you've omitted so many other reference points your dots are scattered and have no logical connection points.

Gotcha. You don't use the information I provided (which is simple enough compare MSRP of GTX 285 to GTX 480, now apply it to my original post) and then claim no logical connection can be made?

Roger roger, I found the error!

 

[utahraptor]

It seems they stripped out all the "compute" portions of the chip since games don't use them to increase the gaming efficiency. If you need the compute stuff the 7970 slaughters it.

 

[Jionix]

Blastingcap,

That site you link to tries to open a virus, just so you know.

 

[railven]

Take OP with a grain of salt, especially this graph: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=8-e-330782-3ngjoe.png

Cross check those numbers with legit reviews of the 7970 and 580 (compare 7970 vs 580, is it really 17%?). I don't think there is any way that GTX 680 can be that much more efficient.

SOB why doesn't the bigger image load for me? The text is garbled and I can't make it out.

EDIT: Finally:

redacting copyright material - Administrator Idontcare

 

[thilanliyan]

Than isn't that where the 680 also belongs than?

What I don't get is, by following some of the vitriol that AMD was getting by certain posters, and how it was overpriced, and the performance increase didn't justify it (considering the 580 was still ~450-500 ish, and the 7970 was ~20% faster), shouldn't the 680 also be getting that flack?

It's pretty easy to deduce why nV aren't getting the same flak lol.

Assuming the leaks are true, I myself think $500 is a good price for this card, and the 79XX cards will need to be reduced in price to remain competitive.

 

[Absolute0]

I only care about overclocked 7970 vs overclocked 680. Can't wait!

 

[blastingcap]

SOB why doesn't the bigger image load for me? The text is garbled and I can't make it out.

EDIT: Finally:

redacting copyright material - Administrator Idontcare

It's the sixth chart of the second post in this thread. It doesn't look right and casts doubt on the rest of the charts.

These "leaked slides" claim that 7970 is 17% more perf/watt than 580 but everywhere I look the real number is more like 42%. Example: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/29.html So I am very suspicious about all of these slides now.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Why am I using the GTX285 which was a refresh products price?

Why am I omitting the GTX280 which came before it and released at $650, which was then reduced because AMD had strong cards and undercut Nvidia badly?

A tradition that was broken by the release of the 7970.

Should I expect the 680 to be $650 now, just $100 more for 18% more performance, better perf/watt, better driver support, better extras? 3+1 display support, CUDA, 3DVision, PhysX?

I guess I should, huh... Anything less than $650 is a gift from the best company ever, Nvidia. :thumbsup:

 

[railven]

It's pretty easy to deduce why nV aren't getting the same flak lol.

Assuming the leaks are true, I myself think $500 is a good price for this card, and the 7970 will need to be reduced.

Agree on both counts. Since I couldn't wait, I can suck up the money lost when/if AMD reduces cost. But, hopefully the GTX 670 isn't far behind or I just might not wait again and snag a GTX 680 for the GF

Now we're playing with POWER!