Your AMD so strong you dont even see the point in nvidia cards, thats cool. A very limiting view but its yours to have. Not very many people are that biased and will not be no matter how hard you try to turn them.
I only made that post like that to show you why being late 6-7 months is a big deal in technology. It's not my fault you think that when AMD launched HD7750/7770/7850/7870 that NV showing up in August 16th-September 12th is like nothing happened. Sure, people will buy NV cards and I am not arguing that and I have recommended 670/680 plenty of times myself. What I am saying is, in the world of technology, you expect the company which launches
much later to either offer way better price/performance (see 3870/4870/6950/6970, etc.), or at least deliver more features or higher performance (See GTX460/470/480). Otherwise, the opportunity cost for waiting is enormous. Some gamer who waited 6-8 months for a $200-300 Kepler could have been gaming on that card had NV was more aggressive with its desktop GPU launch. Had a gamer waited 6-8 months for GTX660, why not wait another 6 months for HD8000? It's a circular argument. Showing up 6-8 months late and not offering anything new in the price/performance area is disappointing to me and I would have said the same if AMD missed this generation by 6-8 months.
You seem to think I am AMD-biased this round but from one generation to the next maybe you should have been a common theme in my posts:
1) Heavy emphasis on price/performance (8800GT, GTX460, 5850)
2) I heavily favour cards that can provide good overclocking (5850/GTX460/470);
2) If either company is late by 6-8 months, I'll rip them apart for missing that generation and not offering gamers more choices (I was favourable towards 470/480 despite their power consumption since they delivered more VRAM, good overclocking and strong DX11 performance).
GTX650/660/660Ti are not bringing more VRAM, more overclocking, better price/performance vs. AMD's current line-up. Therefore, those cards are doing little to change the GPU landscape. AMD cards were already dropping and now dropped to very low levels that launching GTX650/660 this late is hardly going to make any differences in the price/performance value equation for gamers. So how is that progress exactly? This is no different why I am not impressed by HD7990. NV simply did it better with the 690 and launched way earlier.
Sorry, NV has excellent cards in the 670/680 but they launched them very closely to 7950/7970 and undercut them, offering superior price/performance and performance/watt. I don't rip those cards. GTX650/660/660Ti are all disappointments to me. They are launching way too late, and aren't offering any better price/performance over AMD's offerings. GTX670/680 did, GTX470/480 did, etc.
Being late with similar performance that was available 6 months ago is strike 1, being late while not offering better price/performance is strike 2. Hopefully, GTX700 series they won't be MIA for 3 quarters out of the year.
You cant tell people what to like or dont. You cant say its right for them or not. But if you do want to show Microstutter data for SLI on a specific GPU, you would use data pertaining to the said GPU. Especially not some older generation crossfire charts. Anyway, it may be to complex for many of you to get but my point in bringing any of this up is just.
The micro-stutter phenomenon is inherent in the way SLI/CF rendering works, and is more pronounced in slower GPUs - those are just facts and have been shown to be true since SLI/CF were introduced. Issues with SLI/CF scaling that require profile updates to get 2 GPUs to work well are also widely known. That means GTX660 SLI won't have some magical immunity to not having micro-stutter SLI that GTX590 didn't experience. What you seem to be missing is that 2 low-end GPUs have almost never provided as good of a real world gaming performance than a single high-end GPU did. GTX460 SLI was faster in benchmarks than a GTX580 but in the real world, not really. This isn't about to change based on the specs of the 660 since we have already seen GTX660Ti SLI performance already. That's what you seem to keep ignoring: GTX660Ti SLI is already scaling poorly and is only around 20% faster on average than HD7970 GE with MSAA at 1080P. That means the chances of GTX660 SLI being better than a single high-end GPU, such as the 7970 or GTX680 are slim to none. Similarly, the chances that GTX650 SLI will provide a better gaming experience than a single GTX670 OC or HD7950 OC are pretty much nil.
Your mind always finds AMD vs. NV arguments but the core of this discussion is that it's almost never been better to buy 2x $100-200 GPUs over 1 single-fast $400-500 GPU because of:
1) Micro-stutter means you need higher frames per second with multiple cards to feel a similar level of smoothness that a single-GPU can provide;
2) Crossfire/SLI scaling issues;
3) Additional heat and noise levels which result from 2 cards.
In other words, for SLI/CF to be recommended on the low-end, the performance delta has to be substantial against 1 fast single-GPu card (not just 10-20%) to put up with many of those disadvantages, the impeding onset of micro-stutter and the inevitable SLI/CF scaling issues with new games until profiles are releases at a later date.
less attacking, more discussing.
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