gtx560 specs and clocks: fudzilla and chiphell

[badb0y]

This is like the GTX 460 FTW replacement card lol.

 

[tviceman]

A 460 at those clocks is already as fast as a 6870 for the most part, so with adding in the extra SP's that is going to put this card real close to the 6950 I imagine (around 10% slower perhaps), but for $50 less.

I think it may actually end up being closer to a hd6950 in situations that aren't memory-bandwidth intensive. In other words, 1920x1200 with 4x AA is going to be around 5% difference, but 2560x1600 with 4-8x AA will have the hd6950 winning by 15% or more.

 

[tviceman]

This is like the GTX 460 FTW replacement card lol.

But with more cores, slightly higher memory bandwidth, better performance, and probably less power draw.

 

[happy medium]

This is like the GTX 460 FTW replacement card lol.

but 10/15% faster at stock clocks and who knows how much it will overclock.
My guess 1000 core overclocks are gonna become the norm except for the highest end card cards.

 

[badb0y]

But with more cores, slightly higher memory bandwidth, better performance, and probably less power draw.

How much difference do the cores make on the GTX 580? like 6% or something like that right?
EDIT: "From all of this GTX 580 has 6.6% more shading, texturing, and geometric performance than the GTX 480 at the same clockspeeds. Meanwhile the ROP count and L2 cache remains unchanged; 48 ROPs are attached to 768KB L2 cache, which in turn are attached to 6 64bit memory controllers."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580

 

[happy medium]

How much difference do the cores make on the GTX 580? like 6% or something like that right?
EDIT: "From all of this GTX 580 has 6.6% more shading, texturing, and geometric performance than the GTX 480 at the same clockspeeds. Meanwhile the ROP count and L2 cache remains unchanged; 48 ROPs are attached to 768KB L2 cache, which in turn are attached to 6 64bit memory controllers."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580

480 cores to 512 cores vs 336 cores to 384 cores, you do the math. 🙂

core clocks are up from 675 to 820? or more at stock also with the gtx560.

20%+ faster?

 

[tviceman]

480 cores to 512 cores vs 336 cores to 384 cores, you do the math. 🙂

Thank you. I've been trying to explain this and apparently it just goes over peoples' heads.

 

[brencat]

Woot! GTX 260 to GTX 560 is looking promising

:awe:

 

[Lonyo]

480 cores to 512 cores vs 336 cores to 384 cores, you do the math. 🙂

core clocks are up from 675 to 820? or more at stock also with the gtx560.

20%+ faster?

~38% in raw power, memory is only up 11.11% though.

 

[badb0y]

480 cores to 512 cores vs 336 cores to 384 cores, you do the math. 🙂

core clocks are up from 675 to 820? or more at stock also with the gtx560.

20%+ faster?

If 32 gives 6.6% than 48 will give 9.9% at stock speeds. The GTX 460 FTW @ 850 Core is 5% faster than the Stock HD 6970. So about 15% faster than the 6870..not bad.

 

[happy medium]

~38% in raw power, memory is only up 11.11% though.

Ok, lets be modest and say it increases performance 33%, where does that put it?
I'd say faster then a 5870 but slower then a 6950?

For 250$ it sounds like a winner, even more so if it overcloks well.

 

[AtenRa]

I would place it at ~750-775MHz core with 384 Shaders and 256-bit memory.
Performance close to GTX470 and OC models at 820+MHz
Better performance in DX-11 than 6800 series, but not better than 6950.
Price at $230-250

 

[heflys]

I would place it at ~750-775MHz core with 384 Shaders and 256-bit memory.
Performance close to GTX470 and OC models at 820+MHz
Better performance in DX-11 than 6800 series, but not better than 6950.
Price at $230-250

Yes....I think people are getting a tad bit too excited in regards to expecting this card to be faster than 5870. That's just me though.

I reckon it'll be around the same speed as a 470; but with better overclocking potential.

 

[happy medium]

Yes....I think people are getting a tad bit too excited in regards to expecting this card to be faster than 5870. That's just me though.

I reckon it'll be around the same speed as a 470; but with better overclocking potential.

Do the math. It will be stock clocked at 820 core according to the article.
A 6870 is not that much slower then a 5870.

My guess is thermals/power draw/noise will be at ~ gtx460 1gb levels also.
Remember this is a refined core gf104 vs gf114 just like the gtx480 to the gtx580 (gf110).

If they price this card right it could be a top seller IMHO.
AMD will have to counter with a 6930, but then probrobly be countered by a gtx565 with good thermals, not like the crappy gtx465.

 

[tviceman]

Do the math. It will be stock clocked at 820 core according to the article.
A 6870 is not that much slower then a 5870.

My guess is thermals/power draw/noise will be at ~ gtx460 1gb levels also.
Remember this is a refined core gf104 vs gf114 just like the gtx480 to the gtx580 (gf110).

If they price this card right it could be a top seller IMHO.
AMD will have to counter with a 6930, but then probrobly be countered by a gtx565 with good thermals, not like the crappy gtx465.

I no longer think there will be room for another harvest chip from either Cayman or GF110. I think the performance difference between the 6870 and 6950 is too small, and I think the performance difference between the gtx560 and gtx570 will also be too small. There just isn't any room to slot a slower cayman card in AMD's lineup, and I think Nvidia will face the same circumstance with a 820mhz gf114 chip.

 

[Teizo]

I think it may actually end up being closer to a hd6950 in situations that aren't memory-bandwidth intensive. In other words, 1920x1200 with 4x AA is going to be around 5% difference, but 2560x1600 with 4-8x AA will have the hd6950 winning by 15% or more.

Performance with todays' cards at 25x16 is not all that great any way. Ever wonder why 35-40 fps sucks at 19x12 but is all of a sudden awesome at 25x16? Do framerates render themselves faster and smoother at 25x16 than at 19x12? Nope. It's just a way for some to try to argue in their favor, even though the performance they are arguing for isn't anything to brag about. Rather transparent argument.

25x16 is not going to find it's way into popularity for some time to come, so 19x12 res is the res for the time being worth comparing. Once 25x16 does become more mainstream, gpu's will be able to get more than 35-40 fps and people won't be using todays' cards anymore because the performance is not there. And, it never really was to begin with (and I imagine most game at a lower res anyway even if their monitor is capable of 25x16 unless they have a multi-gpu set up).

 

[Genx87]

Performance with todays' cards at 25x16 is not all that great any way. Ever wonder why 35-40 fps sucks at 19x12 but is all of a sudden awesome at 25x16? Do framerates render themselves faster and smoother at 25x16 than at 19x12? Nope. It's just a way for some to try to argue in their favor, even though the performance they are arguing for isn't anything to brag about. Rather transparent argument.

25x16 is not going to find it's way into popularity for some time to come, so 19x12 res is the res for the time being worth comparing. Once 25x16 does become more mainstream, gpu's will be able to get more than 35-40 fps and people won't be using todays' cards anymore because the performance is not there. And, it never really was to begin with (and I imagine most game at a lower res anyway even if their monitor is capable of 25x16 unless they have a multi-gpu set up).

I agree with your assesment. Most LCDs sold today are going to be 1080p or lower. I honestly dont know anybody with an LCD that has a higher resolution. They might have an old CRT that can do higher.

Steam survey showing resolutions above 1080p represent 4.26% of their user base.

 

[Jhatfie]

I honestly dont know anybody with an LCD that has a higher resolution. They might have an old CRT that can do higher.

Wow really, just with my ten closer friends/coworkers the minimum resolution anyone runs is 1920x1200, 3 have 30" displays and 3 of us run 5760x1200 eyefinity setups. But I understand what you are saying, most monitors sold these days seem to be 1080p.

I think that the 560 will be a great card, the 460 certainly is. If the specs are true and performance scales as expected coming within 10% or so of the 570, I cannot imagine them pricing it under $250 as that would absolutely butcher 570 sales and leave N with little profit.

 

[Zargon]

I agree with your assesment. Most LCDs sold today are going to be 1080p or lower. I honestly dont know anybody with an LCD that has a higher resolution. They might have an old CRT that can do higher.

Steam survey showing resolutions above 1080p represent 4.26% of their user base.

I know 3 people with them, but one of them has 3 of them, 30 inch dells

 

[happy medium]

I no longer think there will be room for another harvest chip from either Cayman or GF110. I think the performance difference between the 6870 and 6950 is too small, and I think the performance difference between the gtx560 and gtx570 will also be too small. There just isn't any room to slot a slower cayman card in AMD's lineup, and I think Nvidia will face the same circumstance with a 820mhz gf114 chip.

very good point.

What is the performance delta between a 6870 and 6950? I don't know off hand. ~20%?

 

[tviceman]

very good point.

What is the performance delta between a 6870 and 6950? I don't know off hand. ~20%?

At most. Usually 10-15% at playable settings.

 

[Skurge]

I no longer think there will be room for another harvest chip from either Cayman or GF110. I think the performance difference between the 6870 and 6950 is too small, and I think the performance difference between the gtx560 and gtx570 will also be too small. There just isn't any room to slot a slower cayman card in AMD's lineup, and I think Nvidia will face the same circumstance with a 820mhz gf114 chip.

Totaly agree with this. There is like 10% between every card going from the 580 all the way to the 6850/460

 

[happy medium]

At most. Usually 10-15% at playable settings.

Jeeez,
In that case this gtx560 card is going to be real close to the 6950.
I exspect to match it in some games.
I'm gonna whatch this one real closley.

I have a feeling this is the card to get in 2011.
If they price it right, it just might be.
It supposed to release in mid January.

 

[happy medium]

Totaly agree with this. There is like 10% between every card going from the 580 all the way to the 6850/460

This is where its advantage Nvidia, releasing the mid range last is gonna hurt AMD. They can clock these cards and price them where they want now.

 

[Skurge]

I wonder if the 560 will be bandwidth limited as 6950 and even the 6850 get nice gains from increasing the memory clock. 128GB/s seems a little low for a card that could compete with the 6950.