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chizow

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: Wreckage
The amazing thing is that it took ATI this long to come up with a response to the core 216 and NVIDIA already has a step up on the way.

With so many review sites giving the nod to the 260-216 ATI had to do something even if is just a relabel to the 4870, but now they won't get the chance if the 275 comes out in the same time frame.

This actually matches up with the rumors of a 260 price drop, making room for this new card.

Yes and lets say that Nvidia will win and it will have the strongest cards on the market. And you care for that because? This is just what I don't get from you. Nvidia will be the best. Hip hip hurray. And?

Actually that would just be status quo.
LOL. :laugh:

A bit OT but I saw Watchmen this weekend and it reminded me of these forums in a lot of ways LMAO. ;)

Looks to be a pretty cool part, like half a GTX 295 at higher clocks. Although if it does compete or beat the RV790 that speaks poorly to the RV770's clockspeed scaling.
 

allies

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.pcgameshardware.com...s-from-the-Cebit/News/

Based on the information we received during our conversations it seems like the Ati Radeon HD 4890 (Single) will compete against the Geforce GTX 260 and not the GTX 285
Huh, now lets look at a recent review (dated March 10th)


http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/video/rv770-6-p1.html

The overhauled GeForce GTX 260 outperforms its rivals noticeably (given the prices are similar).

The 4890 is ATI's answer to the core 216. The GTX275 will simply keep the 4890 in 3rd place (behind the 280/285).

Yaaaay Catalyst 8.12s on your review site.
 

Fbbam

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A single one might compete with gtx 280 not gtx260 but when they have it in their x2 config a new born baby 4890x2 vs gtx 285
 

Extelleron

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
The amazing thing is that it took ATI this long to come up with a response to the core 216.

It's called the HD 4870 1GB and it was released in September 2008: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415

With so many review sites giving the nod to the 260-216

I'm assuming you mean.... with so many review sites calling the match-up even and too close to call?

ATI had to do something even if is just a relabel to the 4870

Making this statement, I'm assuming you have received some kind of new info about the HD 4890.....it would be news to us all if you found out that the 4890 is really a relabeled 4870. Last I checked rumors pointed to either vastly increased core frequency or additional SPs or both....

but now they won't get the chance if the 275 comes out in the same time frame.

I'm not seeing how the rumored release of a GTX 275 card with unknown specifications will stop AMD from releasing a faster card....

Honestly Wreckage your posts are getting worse and worse all the time. You're not getting people to buy nVidia products/love nVidia like you do, you're making people rally behind AMD. Both the HD 4870 1GB and GTX 260-216 are good buys at their current price points. Both tend to be within the same performance range, sometimes the 4870 wins and sometimes the 260 wins. So the choice depends on what kind of games you play and what kind of deal is currently available.


 

thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Huh, now lets look at a recent review (dated March 10th)

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/video/rv770-6-p1.html

Here's a much better review with newer drivers than what you linked:
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/v...-hd4850-1024mb-gs.html

Originally posted by: Wreckage
The amazing thing is that it took ATI this long to come up with a response to the core 216 and NVIDIA already has a step up on the way.

See above review. Where were you all this time? The 4870 1Gb was released last autumn. It's okay everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
 

lavaheadache

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
The amazing thing is that it took ATI this long to come up with a response to the core 216 and NVIDIA already has a step up on the way.

With so many review sites giving the nod to the 260-216 ATI had to do something even if is just a relabel to the 4870, but now they won't get the chance if the 275 comes out in the same time frame.

This actually matches up with the rumors of a 260 price drop, making room for this new card.

actually the amazing thing is that Nvidia had to rewoke the gtx260 compete with the hd4870. Funny how these things are so mixed up in your head.
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: Extelleron

It's called the HD 4870 1GB and it was released in September 2008:

Yes we are talking about the core 216 released in October of last year. Pay attention
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15651

Despite the fact that these are tremendously complex chips with hundreds of millions of transistors, AMD and Nvidia have achieved a remarkable amount of parity in their GPUs. In terms of image quality, overall features, performance, and even price, the Radeon HD 4870 1GB and the GeForce GTX 260 "Reloaded" are practically interchangeable. That fact represents something of a comeback for Nvidia, since the older GTX 260 cost more than the 4870 and didn't perform quite as well. If anything, the GTX 260 Reloaded was a smidgen faster than the 4870 1GB overall in our test suite.

The GTX 260 is based on a much larger chip with a wider path to memory, which almost certainly means it costs more to make than the 4870, but as a consumer, you'd never know it when using the two products, so I'm not sure it matters much for our purposes. Even the GTX 260's power consumption is lower than the 4870's, and its noise levels are comparable.

In the grand scheme, Nvidia may have a slight edge on AMD in some difficult-to-quantify ways. For instance, GeForce cards generally performed better with the newest game we tested, Crysis Warhead, and that's not a surprising thing to see. Nvidia seems to do a better job of working with developers and ensuring good compatibility between its GPUs and new-from-the-box games. By contrast, the Radeons performed below our expectations in Warhead, and judging by the performance we saw from the Radeon HD 4870 X2, the CrossFire multi-GPU scheme isn't yet working properly with this title. Nvidia may gain an additional advantage if and when we see PhysX-enabled games come to pass, but I wouldn't factor that into a purchasing decision today.

On the other hand, AMD releases new drivers more often and has much better support for multiple monitors with CrossFire than the kludgy arrangement Nvidia uses with SLI. Also, CrossFire is broadly compatible with Intel chipsets, while Nvidia generally restricts SLI to nForce-based motherboards. So I dunno.

One thing I do know is that, whichever one you prefer, both of these cards are wicked fast for 300 bucks. In fact, you probably don't need either one of them unless you plan on using it with a nice, big monitor with a resolution of at least 1920x1080 or 1920x1200. Heck, even then, you can get by very well in almost all of today's games with something like a $170 Radeon HD 4850. What you get when you step up to one of these $300 cards is substantially more GPU power, memory bandwidth, and longevity potential. That may not always be apparent, but it may sometimes be painfully so. Only in a couple of cases?Warhead at 1920x1200 and GRID at 2560x1600?did we see the 4870 1GB's extra memory make a difference versus the 4870 512MB. But the difference in GRID was night and day. Personally, given the choice, I'd pony up the extra cash for the 1GB card, just for the peace of mind. But I'm probably crazy for saying so.
 

allies

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Extelleron

It's called the HD 4870 1GB and it was released in September 2008:

Yes we are talking about the core 216 released in October of last year. Pay attention
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15651

If anything, the GTX 260 Reloaded was faster than the 4870 1GB overall in our test suite.

Are you FREAKING SERIOUS. I sometimes think you're a good guy trying to bring light on to the other side... but then you SERIOUSLY BUTCHER A FVCKING QUOTE:

In terms of image quality, overall features, performance, and even price, the Radeon HD 4870 1GB and the GeForce GTX 260 "Reloaded" are practically interchangeable. That fact represents something of a comeback for Nvidia, since the older GTX 260 cost more than the 4870 and didn't perform quite as well. If anything, the GTX 260 Reloaded was a smidgen faster than the 4870 1GB overall in our test suite.

Edit: I'm calling this out for the mods, this is truly unacceptable.
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: allies


Edit: I'm calling this out for the mods, this is truly unacceptable.
:roll:

You left out where they said it uses less power, call the mods on yourself.

People need to nitpick everything.


 

allies

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: allies


Edit: I'm calling this out for the mods, this is truly unacceptable.
:roll:

You left out where they said it uses less power, call the mods on yourself.

People need to nitpick everything.

YOU FUCKING TOOK WORDS OUT OF A SENTENCE!

Ones that add a lot to the power of the sentence.

GTFO of this forum, no one likes you, not even the nvidia lot.
 

thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Extelleron

It's called the HD 4870 1GB and it was released in September 2008:

Yes we are talking about the core 216 released in October of last year. Pay attention
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15651

If anything, the GTX 260 Reloaded was faster than the 4870 1GB overall in our test suite.

Umm...since you don't seem to be able to read properly:
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/v...-hd4850-1024mb-gs.html

Seems ATI already have a competitor to the 260.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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Oh well, guess I was too late to notice it, thanks allies for speaking my mind, this is complete bs, the whole freaking forum knows what a troll he is and the mods just watch :roll:
 

Extelleron

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Extelleron

It's called the HD 4870 1GB and it was released in September 2008:

Yes we are talking about the core 216 released in October of last year. Pay attention
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15651

If anything, the GTX 260 Reloaded was faster than the 4870 1GB overall in our test suite.

Nice of you to leave out that the card utilized was overclocked by 13% compared to normal GTX 260-216s......

Not to mention your altering of the quote which is just ridiculous.

From the same review:

"In terms of image quality, overall features, performance, and even price, the Radeon HD 4870 1GB and the GeForce GTX 260 "Reloaded" are practically interchangeable."

Honestly what you are doing now is just pure trolling, and trolling far worse than anything Rollo ever did.
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: allies
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: allies


Edit: I'm calling this out for the mods, this is truly unacceptable.
:roll:

You left out where they said it uses less power, call the mods on yourself.

People need to nitpick everything.

YOU FUCKING TOOK WORDS OUT OF A SENTENCE!

Ones that add a lot to the power of the sentence.

GTFO of this forum, no one likes you, not even the nvidia lot.

Nice.

You want me to quote the whole article for you. Will that make you not so violent?
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: Extelleron

From the same review:

"In terms of image quality, overall features, performance, and even price, the Radeon HD 4870 1GB and the GeForce GTX 260 "Reloaded" are practically interchangeable."

Honestly what you are doing now is pure trolling.

I also left out....

Even the GTX 260's power consumption is lower than the 4870's, and its noise levels are comparable. In the grand scheme, Nvidia may have a slight edge on AMD in some difficult-to-quantify ways. For instance, GeForce cards generally performed better with the newest game we tested, Crysis Warhead, and that's not a surprising thing to see. Nvidia seems to do a better job of working with developers and ensuring good compatibility between its GPUs and new-from-the-box games. By contrast, the Radeons performed below our expectations in Warhead, and judging by the performance we saw from the Radeon HD 4870 X2, the CrossFire multi-GPU scheme isn't yet working properly with this title. Nvidia may gain an additional advantage if and when we see PhysX-enabled games come to pass, but I wouldn't factor that into a purchasing decision today.

Happy now?
 

Denithor

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That's as bad as some of the out-of-context quotes I've seen heyheybooboo use to push AMD chips in the Gen Hardware forum.

On the OP - let's hope they use the 240-core 448-bit GPU for this card - it should OC like a beast and you've basically got a GTX 280 for the price of a GTX 260 (as these cards have shown no signs of being memory bandwidth limited).
 

allies

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Maybe don't chop a sentence to make it swing from equity to favor a cards favor. Don't be stupid.

Edit: That's actually a lot better, because you didn't touch the content of the paragraph and anyone who can read past the boldface sees that there's no big difference between the two cards.
 

schneiderguy

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Originally posted by: allies
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Extelleron

It's called the HD 4870 1GB and it was released in September 2008:

Yes we are talking about the core 216 released in October of last year. Pay attention
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15651

If anything, the GTX 260 Reloaded was faster than the 4870 1GB overall in our test suite.

Are you FREAKING SERIOUS. I sometimes think you're a good guy trying to bring light on to the other side... but then you SERIOUSLY BUTCHER A FVCKING QUOTE:

In terms of image quality, overall features, performance, and even price, the Radeon HD 4870 1GB and the GeForce GTX 260 "Reloaded" are practically interchangeable. That fact represents something of a comeback for Nvidia, since the older GTX 260 cost more than the 4870 and didn't perform quite as well. If anything, the GTX 260 Reloaded was a smidgen faster than the 4870 1GB overall in our test suite.

Edit: I'm calling this out for the mods, this is truly unacceptable.

I agree. He doesn't contribute anything besides starting stupid arguments.

I think this is the first time he's gone so low to actually edit a quote to fit his own twisted view though:disgust:
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: allies
Maybe don't chop a sentence to make it swing from equity to favor a cards favor. Don't be stupid.

I don't think paraphrasing an article is a violation of the forum rules. However all these personal attacks are.

It's one thing to argue video cards, but to actively chase members off the forum or have them banned because you want only one viewpoint is despicable.

Sigh. Whatever take the news for what you want. Thread crap, derail, whatever make you happy I guess.
 

allies

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: allies
Maybe don't chop a sentence to make it swing from equity to favor a cards favor. Don't be stupid.

I don't think paraphrasing an article is a violation of the forum rules. However all these personal attacks are.

It's one thing to argue video cards, but to actively chase members off the forum or have them banned because you want only one viewpoint is despicable.

Learn what paraphrase is. You linked an article, and used the QUOTE feature, and didn't use an ellipses to imply your butchering of the sentence. That is plagiarism or slander, or something. It's WRONG.

And I've mentioned this before... my past video card history is:

Voodoo2 -> GF2 GTS -> 9600XT -> 7800GTX -> 7900GTO -> 8800GTX -> 8600GT -> 8800GS so don't try to say that I just want one viewpoint. What I want is reliable information and NO AGENDAS.
 

thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
It's one thing to argue video cards, but to actively chase members off the forum or have them banned because you want only one viewpoint is despicable.

Sigh. Whatever take the news for what you want. Thread crap, derail, whatever make you happy I guess.

Flamebaiting/trolling for whatever agenda you have and then acting innocent doesn't count as a "viewpoint".

On topic, I really hope the 4870 prices receive some more cuts as a result of all these cards coming out...Xfire might be more appealing for me then. And thank goodness ATI now have a partner like XFX...that was previously a huge downfall (IMO) of buying ATI cards.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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It's one thing to argue video cards, but to actively troll the forum because you want only one viewpoint is despicable.

Fixed

And for the record I think the 4870 and the GTX260 216 are evenly matched and it comes down to which games you play
 

Wreckage

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I edited my post to contain the entire conclusion. :cookie:

However, some of you should get a dictionary and some anger management training.
 

allies

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
I edited my post to contain the entire conclusion. :cookie:

However, some of you should get a dictionary and some anger management training.

Honestly, you make me want to buy an nvidia card less in the future. From now on I'll correlate you with nvidia and things just won't fly well.

I'm actually going to be upgrading for the next gen, so the topic is of little relevance to me, but it is nice to see some price parity with AMD's top dogs.

 

josh6079

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
I don't think paraphrasing an article is a violation of the forum rules...

...some of you should get a dictionary...

Click

Quotations or quote tools aren't used to paraphrase.

Paraphrasing is done with your words alone.

You quoted the article, leaving out parts of the quote without designating their extractions with "..." marks.

In summary, you misquoted. It wasn't a paraphrase.

Thanks for letting us know about the GTX 275 though. :thumbsup:

Agendas, anger management, and literary skills aside this is nothing but good news.