GTX 970 and GTX 980 is officially launched

[PPB]

Anyone knows fp dp rate for the cards? I would lime to toy with some cuda rendering myself. Bummer i only play bf4 and mantle is king in mp frametimes. Wauting for what dx12can offer.

 

[RussianSensation]

I tend to agree. At $330 the 970 will become like the 8800GT, one of those cards everyone is running because the price/perf is impossible to ignore. Its appeal will be compounded by how high 28nm pricing has been putting cards like Titan, launch 780 & 780ti being out of reasonable for most budgets. So then a card comes at $330 in the same performance tier and you'll get a ton of new buyers.

Yup, 1.5 years later similar performance to a $650 MSRP 780 is going to set off an upgrade wave. As yields improve, NV can either release a 1792-1920 cuda core 970Ti or shrink GM204 in 2015. Maybe it's time for AMD to bring back $549 pricing of 4870X2 to its 295X2 if R9 300 series is ways off. It's crazy to think that a possible $660 970 OC SLI setup will not be far off $3K Titan Z in gaming performance.

 

[Keysplayr]

All good points. The problem is with a $330 970 NV will lock in existing NV GTX570/670 users and AMD users who were on the fence. If AMD doesn't have a response in the next 6 months asap, it'll be another 2+ years before these same users start upgrading again and AMD will miss a major wave of upgraders. NV is also launching these cards before the holiday season (winter for northern hemisphere) - a season where a lot of gamers tend to game over the colder months - and strategically before Witcher 3. If AMD misses to launch anything before Witcher 3 comes out, it'll be even worse news for them.



He is correct partially because the naming 980 vs. 780/780Ti is really misleading. I am perfectly fine if NV called these cards 960Ti and 970, respectively, which is really what they are, while the real 980 and 980Ti are GM200/210. If you don't look into the code name and underlying specs, you'd think 980 is a beastly large monolith chip like GK110.

Well, what it looks like, and what it is, are two different things.

 

[f1sherman]

Well, what it looks like, and what it is, are two different things.

Not only that, but it assumes someone is in for the "beastly large monolith chip like GK110",
i.e. he really knows his gfx stuff... But at the same time he can't read the specs
EDIT: I'm sorry, I type too fast. It assumes the guy doesn't want to read the specs. Oh well...

On some other note, how long till Intell manages to put 780 Ti kind of graphics power in their CPU which can be safely housed inside the laptop.
Discrete is gone... riiight

 

[RussianSensation]

On some other note, how long till Intell manages to put 780 Ti kind of graphics power in their CPU which can be safely housed inside the laptop.
Discrete is gone... riiight

By the time this happens, laptops will have 5K-8K resolution and 780Ti performance will net you 5-10 fps in HL3. :awe:

 

[f1sherman]

If they really release $330 GTX 970, my used ref. 290 will be worth what... $200??
JHC 🙄

$330 price means they have insanely large amount of gathered chips... I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[RaistlinZ]

If they really release $330 GTX 970, my used ref. 290 will be worth what... $200??
JHC 🙄

$330 price means they have insanely large amount of gathered chips... I'll believe it when I see it.

My used 770 2GB will be worth even less. :\

 

[Vesku]

$329-349 would be the first decently launch priced Nvidia *70 card in quite some time. Seems vendors would have worked to clear out GTX 780 inventory, though. Currently 780s are ~$400-500 those are going to have to be priced under the 970 once it hits retail.

 

[x3sphere]

If they really release $330 GTX 970, my used ref. 290 will be worth what... $200??
JHC 🙄

$330 price means they have insanely large amount of gathered chips... I'll believe it when I see it.

Potentially less considering they are already going for $250 used on average. Looking at completed listings on eBay some reference 290s are down to ~$210-220. Glad I did not pay full price for mine...

 

[f1sherman]

Potentially less considering they are already going for $250 used on average. Looking at completed listings on eBay some reference 290s are down to ~$210-220. Glad I did not pay full price for mine...

You know what that means?

CrossFire for everyone !!!

 

[shaynoa]

For what reason would Nvidia sell any of there new 900 cards so cheap for, they never have in the past and more than likeiy never will you guys are just dreaming, try around $550 for the GTX 970, they will start at a little better price than the 290x considering that they are pretty even in performance and the sky is the limit after that. Some people act like Alice in Wonderland

 

[FatherMurphy]

Is it going too far to speculate that the GTX 970's aggressive pricing is a move by Nvidia to 1) finally go head to head with AMD on pricing and thereby 2) blunt and reverse the loss of discrete GPU market share over the past quarter as recently revealed by Jon Peddi, which 3) could really cause developers to second guess whether they want to invest in Mantle and/or other AMD graphic technologies?

I understand that is an oversimplification of things, of course, but still....

 

[RussianSensation]

If they really release $330 GTX 970, my used ref. 290 will be worth what... $200??
JHC 🙄

$330 price means they have insanely large amount of gathered chips... I'll believe it when I see it.

Things could be worse.

1) Losing $1.2K in resale value on a $3K Titan Z when NV dropped it to $1.8K.
2) Losing $500 on resale value of 295X2 when AMD dropped it to $999
3) Losing 50% of resale value of 780 in 1.5 years if you bought it at $650 MSRP and now 970 will ~ it for $330
4) Just 1 year later 970 OC SLI will be much faster than 780TI for about the same price
5) Buying $1K Titan thinking it'll be a flagship gaming GPU and then NV releases 780 with similar performance for $650 just months later
6) Buying $1K GTX680 SLI vs. free 7970s due to mining
7) Buying a 4960X for $999 and then Intel selling 5820K for $299 at MC

PC gaming - GOG, Steam, Origin is where we make up the losses on hardware depreciation by having access to much cheaper software vs. consoles. 😀

For what reason would Nvidia sell any of there new 900 cards so cheap for, they never have in the past and more than likeiy never will you guys are just dreaming, try around $550 for the GTX 970 and the sky is the limit after that. Some people act like Alice in Wonderland

Ya, OK! 3 people will buy that over a $350 R9 290. GM204 is a mid-range Maxwell chip. $330-350 is in-line with GTX470/570/670 pricing really. You know NV isn't only competing against AMD but some people will think hmm...should I upgrade my PC or get a PS4/XB1. NV wants PC gaming to thrive and selling 970 at $329 will make a lot of people consider either upgrading their PCs or strongly consider building a gaming PC vs. a next gen console.

 

[nvgpu]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26922138&postcount=15

When you see my results you guys will be amazed by how fast this new stuff is, let me say this, the best cards overclocking wise I've ever tested.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26922145&postcount=16

I'm saying I'd only buy a 780Ti now if they were around £300 as I know what the new cards cost and how they perform and overclock, simply wow!

Can't wait for Ryan's review tomorrow.

 

[QuantumPion]

The cards are for sale on Amazon, I got the EVGA SC edition 980 for $725, delivery tomorrow.

edit: The 970 was $450 I believe. The non-SC 980 was $700. Both product pages seem to be gone now but my order went through and CC was charged.

 

[f1sherman]

For what reason would Nvidia sell any of there new 900 cards so cheap for, they never have in the past and more than likeiy never will you guys are just dreaming, try around $550 for the GTX 970 and the sky is the limit after that. Some people act like Alice in Wonderland

They are always balancing between market share and financials.
I could possibly see them pushing market share for a while for G-Sync lockdown sake.

But my guts tells me $329 GTX 970 and $549 980 is simply insane, and therefore not happening

 

[Keysplayr]

By the time this happens, laptops will have 5K-8K resolution and 780Ti performance will net you 5-10 fps in HL3. :awe:

Yeah they will even though it would be completely unnecessary to have that kind of res on a 13-15" screen.

 

[Keysplayr]

The cards are for sale on Amazon, I got the EVGA SC edition 980 for $725, delivery tomorrow.

cute.

 

[RussianSensation]

But my guts tells me $329 GTX 970 and $549 980 is simply insane, and therefore not happening

Often European prices translate very close to USD.

NV is pricing 970 to move. We are really talking about 960Ti/970 here, so I am not really sure why $329-349 and $549 would be that shocking. AMD sells a 359mm2 256-bit Tonga for $250, and 354mm2 R9 280 with 384-bit bus for $181 (!). NV would be selling more or less a similar card (398mm2, 256-bit) from a BOM point of view for $329-549. Already crazy profit margins as it is.

 

[felang]

They are always balancing between market share and financials.
I could possibly see them pushing market share for a while for G-Sync lockdown sake.

But my guts tells me $329 GTX 970 and $549 980 is simply insane, and therefore not happening

Why is it insane? The 680 launched for $500? Would anybody really pay over $550 for what is in reality a midrange card?

970 for $329 sounds great though, I´ll give you that. It´s definitely a move in right direction pricewise for video cards. They´ve been too expensive for to long IMO.

 

[atticus14]

Doesn't seem to be much here for 780 & ti owners, but it's an interesting card (970) for older card owners.

#1, it's a pretty good card with modern features and not priced crazily, if you're buying right now it's a clear winner.

#2, For those wanting something cheaper, the 290 just got a wake up call to drop $ fast

#3, Whatever AMD's followup card will be, is usually priced a bit under nvidia.

So it's a pretty good time to be a consumer in the next few months. Once AMD shows what they got and rebates start kicking in I"ll probably choose an upgrade myself. hoping to land something for 200-230

Black friday isn't too far away 🙂

 

[f1sherman]

Why is it insane? The 680 launched for $500? Would anybody really pay over $550 for what is in reality a midrange card?

970 for $329 sounds great though, I´ll give you that. It´s definitely a move in right direction pricewise for video cards. They´ve been too expensive for to long IMO.

GTX 980 comes for $90 less than 2x 970?
Cmonn thats the definition of insane 😱

 

[dmoney1980]

Doesn't seem to be much here for 780 & ti owners, but it's an interesting card (970) for older card owners.

#1, it's a pretty good card with modern features and not priced crazily, if you're buying right now it's a clear winner.

#2, For those wanting something cheaper, the 290 just got a wake up call to drop $ fast

#3, Whatever AMD's followup card will be, is usually priced a bit under nvidia.

So it's a pretty good time to be a consumer in the next few months. Once AMD shows what they got and rebates start kicking in I"ll probably choose an upgrade myself. hoping to land something for 200-230

Black friday isn't too far away 🙂

Six weeks ago, I grabbed a used GTX 680 SC for only $170. Here I thought I was getting a good deal on a 680 as it would hold me over until the 9 series came out. With the 970's aggressive pricing, I may have to consider either buying another used 680 for a low price, or sell it for whatever it's worth and grab 2 970's....

I play at 1440p so the extra RAM helps

decisions, decisions!

 

[felang]

GTX 980 comes for $90 less than 2x 970?
Cmonn thats the definition of insane 😱

Ahh sorry, you were saying that the gap between 970 and 980 is insane, I agree with you there...

 

[SlickR12345]

ATI has gotta be concerned, the 970 is pretty much on part with the 290X, that's an issue they need to resolve very fast.

Why? Its a new architecture vs AMD's 3 year old architecture.

AMD will release its next architecture GPU's in early 2015, so 3-4 months wait, before then they will just reduce prices a bit to stay competitive.