GTX 780 Ti reviews

[BallaTheFeared]

Kind of cross topic, but this video touches on a lot of what people have been saying (this is pre 780 Ti).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OHKWMgBhvA


EVGA 780 Ti ACX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68h_2FosGq0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUNovoA9w0KnxyDP5bGrOYzg

 

[RussianSensation]

Maybe to you it is invalid but the major difference to me, and my point is both AMD and nVidia are simply charging more!

Why do you always deflect the point being discussed and try to side-step it? Of course R9 290 costs more than AMD's 4850/5850/6950. The die sizes were small, wafers cost less than 28nm and R9 290 is just 3-4% behind R9 290X flagship. This is not the case for AMD's other generations for 2nd best single GPU cards where the performance difference was much more.

Fine, AMD is charging more for R9 290 but that doesn't change the conclusion that NV is charging even more, far worse than previous generations and far worse than AMD priced 7970 with its 20-25% advantage over 580. You complained about 7970 many times but I do not see you moaning about 780Ti's high price. Why not?

http://techreport.com/review/25611/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-graphics-card-reviewed/12

When could you buy two second best single GPUs from AMD for just $100 more and mop the floor with NV's flagship? HD6950 unlocked CF for $600 vs. 580 for $500. This is a repeat of that only the prices are now $700 vs. $800 and 780Ti is not as as fast vs. R9 290 as 580 was vs. a stock 6950. 780Ti does not have any magical tessellation advantage that hurts R9 290.

 

[Spidre]

What FPS is that graph measuring? TI, titan and 780 should not be that low.

 

[Gloomy]

What FPS is that graph measuring? TI, titan and 780 should not be that low.

It's probably averaged over a lot of benches at 4k.

 

[wand3r3r]

What FPS is that graph measuring? TI, titan and 780 should not be that low.

It's the TechReports review.

Ok, it's time to boil down our test results to one of our famous value scatter plots. As always, the best combinations of price and performance will be situated closer to the top left corner of the plot, and the less attractive ones will be closer to the bottom right.

Click back and forth between the plots, and you'll see that the GeForce GTX 780 Ti wins the FPS performance sweeps by a nice margin over the Radeon R9 290X. In the 99th percentile frame times, the 780 Ti lands above the R9 290X but below the 290X in its noisy uber fan mode. The application-level issues we saw in Guild Wars 2 hurt the GTX 780 Ti there, perhaps unfairly. Some of the other games appear to be up against CPU performance limitations with the very fastest cards, as well. We're talking about very small differences in the delivery of the last 1% of frames rendered, but still, credit AMD's driver team for making some nice strides in smooth frame delivery.

Based on the totality of our results, I'd say the GeForce GTX 780 Ti has returned the single-GPU performance crown to the green team's trophy case in a controversial split decision. Perhaps more importantly, the GTX 780 Ti achieves these performance levels while running at much lower temperatures and noise levels than the R9 290X. This truly is the finest single-GPU graphics card on the market, and it's a very attractive overall package. If you buy your video cards based on bragging rights rather than value proposition, then the GTX 780 Ti is the card to beat. You can even make a value case for it over the $150-cheaper R9 290X if you factor in the bundled games, Shield discount, and quieter operation.


For most folks, though, forking over 700 bucks for the GTX 780 Ti will seem like madness when the Radeon R9 290 offers 90% of the performance for $300 less. Yeah, the Radeon is noisier, but I'm pretty sure $300 will buy a lifetime supply of those foam earplugs at Walgreens. Heck, throw in another hundred bucks, and you could have dual R9 290s, which should presumably outperform the GTX 780 Ti handily.

http://techreport.com/review/25611/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-graphics-card-reviewed/12

 

[SirPauly]

Fine, AMD is charging more for R9 290 but that doesn't change the conclusion that NV is charging even more, far worse than previous generations

Nothing has really changed -- around 30 percent more for nVidia's full core flag ship sku's over AMD's.

12 percent performance difference at 1600p and x4 aa - default GTX 580 over default HD 6970:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2010/test-amd-radeon-hd-6970-und-hd-6950/26/

12 percent performance difference at 1600p and x4 aa -- default GTX 780ti over default HD 290x:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...geforce-gtx-780-ti-gegen-gtx-titan-im-test/4/

The HD 6970 had more ram over the reference GTX 580 as the HD 290x has over the GTX 780ti.

The difference is AMD and nVidia are charging more!

 

[RussianSensation]

Again, you keep focusing on R9 290X when the entire forum doesn't care about this card. It's R9 290 for $399 or R9 290s for $800 vs. 780Ti for $700. If you want to not talk about AMD altogether, GTX780 after-market versions also make 780Ti look ridiculous. Talking about R9 290X is pointless as no one in their right mind will spend $150 more for a 4% performance increase over R9 290.

The computerbase benches you linked are also showing 780Ti (Max). That's not out of the box performance.

As has already been shown by HardwareCancucks, TechPowerup, TechReport etc. GTX780Ti is faster than R9 290 at 1600P by about 11-16% and for that you gotta pony up 75% more / $300 more. GTX480/580 asked just $140 or 35% more over 5870/6970 for a similar performance increase. NV is asking DOUBLE this gen for each % increase from R9 290.

Once after-market R9 290s are tested against a 780Ti (hopefully HardOCP does this), it's going to be a complete destruction of the 780Ti at high resolution & multi-monitor gaming. Even in their conclusion, the 780Ti failed to provide a tangible real world increase in playability over R9 290X at 1600p, which implies it will hardly show its worth against the R9 290 and fail miserably against just $100 more expensive 290s. I called Titan being the biggest rip-off in GPUs in 2013 and I'll again go on record and state that 780Ti for $700 will look terribly overpriced in 12 months from now (in case you can't see this already).

NV aimed this card squarely at its loyal customers to offset the loss of profit margins on 780. Granted, in light of R9 290X's price of $549, the 780Ti at $699 is OK. Problem is the price of $550 for R9 290X makes no sense, which means it can't be used to justify 780Ti's price. Both of those cards happen to be overpriced. Imagine if you could buy 2x 770 4GB for just $100 more than R9 290? 780Ti is overpriced by much worse since R9 290 is faster than 770 by 25% (more than 780Ti vs. R9 290) and you can't even come close to buying 2x 770 4GB for just just $100 more over 290. If AMD had a card just 15-16% faster and charged $300 more for it, it would be laughed it. When NV does it, it's acceptable because they have a "halo" card.

 

[wand3r3r]

Nothing has really changed -- around 30 percent more for nVidia's full core flag ship sku's over AMD's.

12 percent performance difference at 1600p and x4 aa - default GTX 580 over default HD 6970:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2010/test-amd-radeon-hd-6970-und-hd-6950/26/

12 percent performance difference at 1600p and x4 aa -- default GTX 780ti over default HD 290x:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...geforce-gtx-780-ti-gegen-gtx-titan-im-test/4/

The HD 6970 had more ram over the reference GTX 580 as the HD 290x has over the GTX 780ti.

The difference is AMD and nVidia are charging more!

That 12% is 7%, and they are charging way more (nice try with the default = quiet straight from NV's handbook).

NV has milked the 580 successor in 3 iterations over 9 months, every one from 30-100% more expensive than the 580 3 years after the 580 it's still 40% more than the 580 price.

AMD has went from 45% more expensive, and then dropped the next successor at the same price.

Conclusion: Everyone gets hosed, NV customers particularly badly.

 

[SirPauly]

The computerbase benches you linked are also showing 780Ti (Max). That's not out of the box performance.

No there not -- clearly offer default as well.

 

[SirPauly]

That 12% is 7%,

The uber setting isn't default and out-of-box!

 

[wand3r3r]

The uber setting isn't default and out-of-box!

It doesn't matter. It's 100% supported, it's not an overclock or anything like that. The only people who care support NV and feel it's not showing team green in the best light.

 

[SirPauly]

It doesn't matter. It's 100% supported, it's not an overclock or anything like that. The only people who care support NV and feel it's not showing team green in the best light.

It doesn't matter to you but its not default!

 

[chimaxi83]

It's funny how the smallest, dumbest nit pick will be magnified to make products look better against competition. I can't wait for the tables to be turned.

 

[SirPauly]

I'm all for data or investigations for the Uber setting and offering this info for the gamer to decide but default is default!

 

[stahlhart]

This thread is a sticky for discussing 780Ti reviews. Argue about "Uber Mode" here instead:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2352419

-- stahlhart

 

[SolMiester]

Why do you always deflect the point being discussed and try to side-step it? Of course R9 290 costs more than AMD's 4850/5850/6950. The die sizes were small, wafers cost less than 28nm and R9 290 is just 3-4% behind R9 290X flagship. This is not the case for AMD's other generations for 2nd best single GPU cards where the performance difference was much more.

Fine, AMD is charging more for R9 290 but that doesn't change the conclusion that NV is charging even more, far worse than previous generations and far worse than AMD priced 7970 with its 20-25% advantage over 580. You complained about 7970 many times but I do not see you moaning about 780Ti's high price. Why not?

http://techreport.com/review/25611/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-graphics-card-reviewed/12

When could you buy two second best single GPUs from AMD for just $100 more and mop the floor with NV's flagship? HD6950 unlocked CF for $600 vs. 580 for $500. This is a repeat of that only the prices are now $700 vs. $800 and 780Ti is not as as fast vs. R9 290 as 580 was vs. a stock 6950. 780Ti does not have any magical tessellation advantage that hurts R9 290.

Why do you always moan at the price, its been said before that many people view NV as a superior product, performance, design, features and stability out of the box.
Truth is, price is the only thing AMD can beat NV on, and only because the later chooses.

 

[SimianR]

Why do you always moan at the price, its been said before that many people view NV as a superior product, performance, design, features and stability out of the box.
Truth is, price is the only thing AMD can beat NV on, and only because the later chooses.

What a product is perceived as and the reality are two different things The reality it seems is that nvidia has better marketing.

If I'm looking at any price bracket right now the AMD product tends to lead in performance at every level besides $500+ where its a toss up between the 780/290X. Obviously the 780 Ti holds the single card performance crown - though I'm not sure how important that is considering only a select few will purchase it at $700.

 

[MrK6]

Why do you always moan at the price, its been said before that many people view NV as a superior product, performance, design, features and stability out of the box.
Truth is, price is the only thing AMD can beat NV on, and only because the later chooses.

More that that's what you and nvidia want people to believe. This is hardware forum where we discuss the merits of the products objectively and thoroughly, price being one of them. Go to geforce.com if you want to parrot market speak.

 

[wand3r3r]

Why do you always moan at the price, its been said before that many people view NV as a superior product, performance, design, features and stability out of the box.
Truth is, price is the only thing AMD can beat NV on, and only because the later chooses.

It doesn't look "superior" in that chart.

 

[SolMiester]

It doesn't look "superior" in that chart.

Are you referring to the one where it has a higher price?....AMD would charge the same if it could.

More that that's what you and nvidia want people to believe. This is hardware forum where we discuss the merits of the products objectively and thoroughly, price being one of them. Go to geforce.com if you want to parrot market speak.

What I want people to believe?...LOL, where do you get that [accusation] from...Im no shareholder or shill, just a fan, and sales figures confirm NV perceived superior product.

Price point is the only thing AMD has on NV, they have to sell cheaper to get the sale period, IMO

Profanity isn't allowed in the technical forums.
-- stahlhart

 

[Abwx]

Price point is the only thing AMD has on NV, they have to sell cheaper to get the sale period, IMO

Wishfull thoughts , TR graph put the 290X above the 780ti
performance wise , and dont come with bias claims , their
metric has always favoured Nvidia until Hawai...

If you prefer fps , get a look at HFR mean of 15 games
over 3 res.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/912-22/recapitulatif-performances.html

Actualy the only way the 780ti can outmatch
the 290X is to run the latter in quiet mode......

 

[Keysplayr]

Wishfull thoughts , TR graph put the 290X above the 780ti
performance wise , and dont come with bias claims , their
metric has always favoured Nvidia until Hawai...

If you prefer fps , get a look at HFR mean of 15 games
over 3 res.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/912-22/recapitulatif-performances.html

Actualy the only way the 780ti can outmatch
the 290X is to run the latter in quiet mode......

Have you seen this, at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OHKWMgBhvA

 

[Abwx]

Have you seen this, at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OHKWMgBhvA

Fortunately , no , 33mn listening to this guy is wasted attention,
no need of all this time if his point was genuinely sustainable ,
indeed he should be cautious not to smoke too much reefers
before doing his demonstrations...

 

[blackened23]

Oh hey, it's 1 out 5000000 review websites that shows the 290X above the 780ti. Who are these clowns at hardware.fr trying to kid here? 100% fanspeed 290X eh? I guess i'll have to add hardware.fr to my "joke website" list.

 

[Abwx]

Oh hey, it's 1 out 5000000 review websites that shows the 290X above the 780ti. Who are these clowns at hardware.fr trying to kid here? 100% fanspeed 290X eh? I guess i'll have to add hardware.fr to my "joke website" list.

Still trying to throw innaccuracies to discredit them.???.

Where is it said it s 100% fanspeed for radeons..??.

The only 100% fanspeed is for the GTX780ti in what they
call uber mode since they blow air on the card such that
it doesnt throttle , notice that it s only for the gforce ,
the radeon in uber mode is tested according to their standard,
that is , without this extra blower......

So much for your analysis of their set ups..