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GTX 780 Ti reviews

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rtsurfer said:
Because 290X is supposed to be at 95C.
95C = 290X operating temperature.

God you NVIDIA Fanboys never read the articles..
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He is making the point, that its still not efficient for being so late in the game. Designing a card to run 95c is not very good engineering.
 
imaheadcase said:
He is making the point, that its still not efficient for being so late in the game. Designing a card to run 95c is not very good engineering.
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Its is not that bad engineering.

290X is AMD's biggest chip till date.

Its wafer is still smaller tan NVIDIA's GK110.

If fill up so much transistors in such a small area, it is bound to run hotter.

It is a tradeoff for a smaller wafer.
 
Yes, but NVIDIA's best single GPUs usually had a 15% vs AMD's best (see GTX280 vs HD4870, GTX480 vs HD5870, GTX580 vs HD6970). Now its less than 10% (overall) and a neck and neck at insane resolutions (multi-monitor and 4K). Finally a more competitive high-end GPU space.

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imaheadcase said:
He is making the point, that its still not efficient for being so late in the game. Designing a card to run 95c is not very good engineering.
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No, it's actually very good engineering. Designing for higher operating temperatures allows them to minimize noise and maximize performance for a given environment while also ensuring safe operation, especially considering their design budget.

I'm not sure how some of you think you're smarter than a team of professional engineers, but you're not.
 
Cloudfire777 said:
See that AMD?
That is how you price gouge a good graphics card.

It is 10% faster than 290X, is whisper quiet compared to 290X and it runs around only around 80C while 290X runs at 94C.

A product Nvidia fanatics can be proud of, and since it is 25% faster than GTX 780, and is an overclocking champ it will sell like hotcakes
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Fixed that for you
 
imaheadcase said:
He is making the point, that its still not efficient for being so late in the game.
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It's pretty efficient from a very important point of view for AMD - performance/mm2. Since AMD cannot manufacture 550-560mm2 die yet due to lack of HPC sales, they had to design a much smaller chip and still be able to compete with GK110. Not only does R9 290 have more DP performance in the consumer version but because it's only 438mm2, AMD was able to price it for $399 and deliver 87% of the performance of $699 GTX780Ti. That's pretty remarkable because it means you can now get 2 R9 290s and lay waste to the 780Ti for just $100 more. This is possible because AMD's engineers designed a much smaller die which is more cost effective to manufacture. Since NV got caught with its pants down by 290s, and they were forced to lower prices on 780s, they are now making up for the loss of profit margin on those cards by setting the 780Ti at sky high price to take advantage of their loyal customer base. It's a brilliant strategy by NV.

imaheadcase said:
Designing a card to run 95c is not very good engineering.
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Perception does not always equal reality. Different ASICs are designed for different operating temperatures. Not all Intel CPUs have the same throttle points. Just because older cards were designed to operate at 80-85C doesn't suddenly suggest that R9 290 is poorly engineered. And that doesn't even address that you can swap out the cooler or simply wait for aftermarket versions.

MrK6 said:
I'm not sure how some of you think you're smarter than a team of professional engineers, but you're not.
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Soon the arm-chair financial analysts without a finance degree will become arm-chair engineers without an engineering degree. All that aside I can't see how a 561mm2 chip (28% larger) and only 8-9% faster than a 438mm2 one is some amazing engineering feat. DP argument can't be made either since the FirePro version of R9 290X should have 1/2 DP or nearly 2.8 Tflops of DP.
 
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Nice that it is a fully unlocked GK110. The launch pricing not so nice, I'd expect 6GB of RAM at that premium tbh.

Why didn't the Anandtech final words contain a repetitive mantra of "too expensive for what you get"? I'd think they would be just as upset about charging too high of a premium as they were at the 290 for being loud.
 
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skipsneeky2 said:
The Linustechtips video showing the 290x vs 780ti blew my mind,two 780ti cards ran at 86 cel in furmark which is still cooler then a single 290x.😱 Of course buying either card in reference is silly but none the less i was like wow.

When the after market cards come out for each,the new issue will just be power consumption and god only knows how many people will flock to this one.
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Wait, your blind was blown by them using a utility that nVidia purposely throttles their cards with?

Not bashing the 780Ti, its a good card, basically what Titan should have been all along. I do not think its worth $700, as it loses to the 290X in some games, and ties in some others. For a $150 premium, it should win in all of them.

Now the question will be how to after market 290X's perform, and how will they be priced.
 
RussianSensation said:
Also, for a $150 premium, the performance advantage over R9 290X is not enough.


I am not seeing at all how this card is worth $300 more over R9 290 for only a 15% performance increase. AT should have ripped this card apart for how overpriced it is.

[H]'s conclusion is once again spot on:

"It is clear from this breakdown that the AMD Radeon R9 290X is the better value in terms of performance by a long shot. It is $150 cheaper than the GeForce GTX 780 Ti, but delivers the same gameplay experience and very near the same framerate performance. A performance difference that makes little or no real difference. The $150 price difference is a much larger difference than the performance difference."
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Spot on. It is like paying $150 premium for not-so-good-but-blower-design aftermarket cooler.

I'm surprised that the tone of reviews suddenly changed. All reviewers were so picky and criticized 290 for every little thing they could. I expected to see the same here. Nope, suddenly noise on 780SLI levels for single card is sound to the ears and prices and performance/$ is for poor people. No noise equalization this time? Suddenly 780Ti is perfect single gpu solution for 4k, despite being on par with 290X?

I really hoped we will be getting proper reviews from now on... :'(
 
It is a good card with a high price premium.

It seems to me that Hawaii architecture at similar clocks to GK110 actually ends up being faster although not as power efficient.

3GB vs 4GB might also be a factor for people playing at really high resolutions or triple monitor.
 
imaheadcase said:
He is making the point, that its still not efficient for being so late in the game. Designing a card to run 95c is not very good engineering.
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Technically its the opposite. Designing for higher continuous temperatures requires a higher degree of skill. While I agree the cooler on the 290/290X is not the best, having a chip that can run at that temp continuously is impressive.
 
I'm still not liking the fact that Techpowerup benches the completely bottlenecked Starcraft II and the over 10k FPS of Diablo III. Yet they still show Nvidia has that advantage in CPU limited titles.

Without those, I think they'd be fairly even.

Or maybe Diablo is just more Texel limited...
 
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Not impressed, I thought it would be near 690 levels. Non-reference 290X will walk all over these, in every metric. :whiste:
 
Face2Face said:
Military grade? Sounds like that came off of an MSI box 😛
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Military grade temperature range is from -55'C to +125'C for Integrated Circuits. MSI is using this as a buzzword for marketing purposes. I'm pretty sure every mo-bo from them will melt with anything close to 100'C


Best GPU for high res gaming 😉:
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This card has rendered both the 690 and Titan obsolete.I would love to see a dual GK110 though.
 
Nice performance, but too expensive for how little you get over the competition. I think the real comparison will be non-reference 290/290X's vs. the non-reference 780Ti. With the 780Ti being only single digit performance levels faster and the AMD cards being that close with such low clocks, I think the R9's won't have much trouble matching or even surpassing non-reference 780Ti performance and doing it while costing significantly less. If this card was $100 cheaper I think things would be much more interesting, but AMD has the better high end line up in my opinion.
 
[H]

"In this evaluation, there are three video cards that are performing very similar to each other. These three video cards are delivering the same gameplay experience, and you would not be able to tell these apart in a "Pepsi Challenge" scenario. Those are the GTX 780 Ti, GTX TITAN, and R9 290X. The GTX 780 is the odd man out in this grouping"

True, but I am sure someone would know if they were gaming on a 290X from a noise stand point, but that should be fixed when custom solutions come along.
 
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