GTX 680 SLI vs Radeon HD 7970 CrossfireX

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notty22

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Hocp has put up their SLI GTX 680 review, now this a few days after launch.
Did they ever do a 7970 crossfire article in the days after that cards launch. No.

Performance Summary


The biggest question in regards to performance and gameplay experience about GeForce GTX 680 SLI was if the 2GB of VRAM per GPU and lesser memory bandwidth compared to Radeon HD 7970 would be a hindrance. Our testing has clearly answered that question. In fact, in every game we tested, GTX 680 SLI offered a better gameplay experience compared to Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX. We specifically tested at NV Surround and Eyefinity at the maximum resolution of our configuration at 5760x1200 to see if there would be any bottlenecks. We found that the new GeForce GTX 680 SLI has the performance where it counts.


SLI smoothness vs. CrossFireX smoothness


We don't know what other descriptive word to use, other than "smoothness" to describe the difference we feel between SLI and CrossFireX when we play games. We've expressed this difference in gameplay feeling between SLI and CrossFireX in the past, in other evaluations, and we have to bring it up again because it was very apparent during our testing of 680 SLI versus 7970 CFX.

We can't communicate to you "smoothness" in raw framerates and graphs. Smoothness, frame transition, and game responsiveness is the experience that is provided to you as you play. Perhaps it has more to do with "frametime" than it does with "framerate." To us it seems like SLI is "more playable" at lower framerates than CrossFireX is. For example, where we might find a game playable at 40 FPS average with SLI, when we test CrossFireX we find that 40 FPS doesn't feel as smooth and we have to target a higher average framerate, maybe 50 FPS, maybe 60 FPS for CrossFireX to feel like NVIDIA's SLI framerate of 40 FPS. Only real-world hands on gameplay can show you this, although we can communicate it in words to you. Even though this is a very subjective realm of reviewing GPUs, it is one we surely need to discuss with you.

The result of SLI feeling smoother than CrossFireX is that in real-world gameplay, we can get away with a bit lower FPS with SLI, whereas with CFX we have to aim a little higher for it to feel smooth. We do know that SLI performs some kind of driver algorithm to help smooth SLI framerates, and this could be why it feels so much better. Whatever the reason, to us, SLI feels smoother than CrossFireX.

Personally speaking here, when I was playing between GeForce GTX 680 SLI and Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX, I felt GTX 680 SLI delivered the better experience in every single game. I will make a bold and personal statement; I'd prefer to play games on GTX 680 SLI than I would with Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX after using both. For me, GTX 680 SLI simply provides a smoother gameplay experience. If I were building a new machine with multi-card in mind, SLI would go in my machine instead of CrossFireX. In fact, I'd probably be looking for those special Galaxy 4GB 680 cards coming down the pike. After gaming on both platforms, GTX 680 SLI was giving me smoother performance at 5760x1200 compared to 7970 CFX. This doesn't apply to single-GPU video cards, only between SLI and CrossFireX

Power Testing.
Equally impressive are the game's full load wattages. In every game the GeForce GTX 680 SLI configuration had the lowest full load wattage compared to Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX. Actually, both were tied in Deus Ex, but in every other game GTX 680 SLI was more efficient at full load. This is impressive when you also consider GTX 680 SLI was faster in performance compared to 7970 CFX in every game we tested. GeForce GTX 680 SLI once again improves vastly over GTX 580 full load wattage numbers, and even improves over AMD's new Radeon HD 7970 GPU. There is no question; NVIDIA's new GTX 680 is more power efficient than AMD's Radeon HD 7970, period.
 

Grooveriding

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There you have it folks. [H] feels 680 SLI is superior to 7970CF, so I guess Kyle and [H] are off the hook for a while for being AMD biased and giving biased reviews.

Of course, until he says something positive about AMD again. At which point he's back to putting out worthless reviews. :rolleyes:
 

Jionix

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AMD has had their cards paper launched since 2011, so they've got a bit of a head start on driver support.

....What?

So, you believe a video card company only starts working on their drivers when a product "launches", whether it's a paper launch or physical launch? Really?

We should actually blame Nvidia for not paper launching a long time ago, that way they would have had ample time to work on their drivers. Damn Nvidia.. Don't they know they can't work on the drivers until it launches!!
 

blackened23

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But wait! Guru3d are the new AMD shills. HardOCP are off the hook, they're okay now! But we must rally against guru3d and blacklist them. Here you go, proof positive:

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I'm done discussing this. 7970 xfire wins in some games, 680 sli wins others. This is what I observed in my system, which isn't an issue because the game I play the most is faster on 680 sli. But Green tinted lens wearing non objective loyalists, not naming names, refuse to believe otherwise.

In the meantime lets rally against Guru3d for being clearly paid off by AMD :rolleyes: 3 7950s beat 3 680s? Clearly bought.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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....What?

So, you believe a video card company only starts working on their drivers when a product "launches", whether it's a paper launch or physical launch? Really?

We should actually blame Nvidia for not paper launching a long time ago, that way they would have had ample time to work on their drivers. Damn Nvidia.. Don't they know they can't work on the drivers until it launches!!


No, but really it's a moot point since the paper launch and the physical launch were like two weeks apart.
 

notty22

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I'm done discussing this. 7970 xfire wins in some games, 680 sli wins others. This is what I observed in my system, which isn't an issue because the game I play the most is faster on 680 sli. But Green tinted lens wearing non objective loyalists, not naming names, refuse to believe otherwise.

In the meantime lets rally against Guru3d for being clearly paid off by AMD :rolleyes: 3 7950s beat 3 680s? Clearly bought.

Thanks, I think. I'd tell you to apply to be a reviewer somewhere with all your claims, except you come off sounding conflicted, when you have good hardware, that's reviewed well everywhere and somehow you are upset over that fact.
 

AdamK47

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So, in conclusion... Keep the HD7970s, or don't. Buy the GTX 680s, or don't.
 

Lepton87

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Why didn't they test those cards at 2560x1440 (1600) as well? I couldn't care less about multi monitor gaming and there are many people that feel the same way. I just can't stand those bezels. On the other hand 3 HD projectors would be great. Anyway I expected 680SLI to win in ME3, Batman and TES, but the victory in Dues EX HR was somewhat surprising.
 

Grooveriding

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Why didn't they test those cards at 2560x1440 (1600) as well? I couldn't care less about multi monitor gaming and there are many people that feel the same way. I just can't stand those bezels. On the other hand 3 HD projectors would be great. Anyway I expected 680SLI to win in ME3, Batman and TES, but the victory in Dues EX HR was somewhat surprising.

With the 7970 and 680, AMD and nvidia have done a swap on their branded titles. Metro is now faster on AMD and DXHR is now faster on nvidia.. go figure ;)
 

Lepton87

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With the 7970 and 680, AMD and nvidia have done a swap on their branded titles. Metro is now faster on AMD and DXHR is now faster on nvidia.. go figure ;)

but the situation is reversed in single card configuration in DXHR so radeon scales really bad in that game.

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notty22

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Not every review can encompass all possible scenarios. Different ones keep the driver crews honest , on their toes. There are people that will buy 4 of these and run them in 1080p, maybe for 3D , maybe not. But they are expected to work and increase in performance. I'll never game multi-monitor, unless I'm also remodeling for a complete mancave with a pinball machine and driving simulator.
Saw a nice setup built in to the front clip of a Nascar body on TV the other day. I think it had seat feedback and triple monitor as well. LOL
 

Grooveriding

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I'll never game multi-monitor, unless I'm also remodeling for a complete mancave with a pinball machine and driving simulator.

I love pinball. I started gaming in arcades before we had consoles and quickly found pinball machines to be my favorites.

Short story, a while back I found one my favorite machines for sale. Biggest PITA and money pit purchase ever. With the 1000s of moving parts, sensors, traces etc. and the nature of a pinball machine receiving constant wear and tear - there is always something breaking down. The people who repair these machines generally only deal with arcades and charge an arm and a leg for their time and you'll need their services often.

My advice if you ever get one is be able to fix it yourself. I'd also buy a brand new one from Stern, but still expect plenty of break downs.

I just go to the last of the two arcades left open in the city to play once in a while now. It's too bad about consoles and PCs killing arcades, because that is the only place people will get exposed to pinball for the most part.
 
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blastingcap

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So take VRAM out of the equation since AMD's drivers apparently can't take full advantage of the +1 GB VRAM, and what advantages does AMD have left? Pretty much nothing. Switchable BIOS maybe but NV can copy that easily. NV has the power efficiency, price/perf edge, adaptive VSync, single-GPU multi-monitor WITHOUT the need for displayport adapters, bezel peek (at the expense of no hotkeys yet, ugh), PhysX, CUDA, GPU Turbo (more elegant than continuously OC'ing and overvolting the card like you'd have to do with the 7970), better games support (regardless of how you feel about TWIMTBP), and better SLI. Am I missing anything?

Fair prices for 7xxx series, given the above:

7970 (3GB) - 425
7950 (3GB) - 320
7950 (1.5GB) - 300
7870 (2GB) - 260
7850 (2GB) - 220
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Hard said, and I quote...
Again, the single player result is opposite of multiplayer, where 680 SLI was vastly superior.

lol, guess we'll we'll have to switch the check mark to 680 SLI for this one.


FPS or not,

In fact, in every game we tested, GTX 680 SLI offered a better gameplay experience compared to Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX.

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On initial release drivers, great job Nvidia.
 
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SolMiester

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Not every review can encompass all possible scenarios. Different ones keep the driver crews honest , on their toes. There are people that will buy 4 of these and run them in 1080p, maybe for 3D , maybe not. But they are expected to work and increase in performance. I'll never game multi-monitor, unless I'm also remodeling for a complete mancave with a pinball machine and driving simulator.
Saw a nice setup built in to the front clip of a Nascar body on TV the other day. I think it had seat feedback and triple monitor as well. LOL

Mate, this is worth striving for!
 

utahraptor

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The HardOCP article completely backups up what is seen in the Tom's Hardware SLI article. This and the fact that the Nvidia 680 does so great in World of Warcraft make me think my ivy bridge setup will be a 680. I had been waiting patiently for that MSI 7970 Lightning for so long and now I don't want it. >.< I can't wait to see if Evga's custom card will top MSI's for the 680.
 

f1sherman

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In fact, in every game we tested, GTX 680 SLI offered a better gameplay experience compared to Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX.

But 7970 CF did good in the BF3 benchmarks.

Too bad about choppy gameplay though.

By now it's pretty obvious Nvidia is miles ahead with their scheduler in cases of CPU bottlenecks - 180 turn from Fermi-Cayman situation, where you had to OC the hell out of CPU to get the best ut of 580s.