GTX 670 NDA dropping at Midnight?

[Joseph F]

If it really looks like that, I would love to be able to buy two to replace my huge 4850s.

 

[lehtv]

That is one small card. No dual fan coolers, methinks.

 

[Ajay]

How many people will complain about the GTX670 because the card looks like a $50 low-end wannabe?

http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1896133-1-1.html

NV must have really tight margins to make a $400 video card with a cheap 4 phase PCB. This s*cks because once EVGA, ASUS, MSI etc the 670 on a good quality PCB with more phases, etc; the price will go up $30-60US. Maybe I won't be upgrading my GTX 460 this summer**

** $400 is already high for me, I've always stayed below $350, except the time I was able to pick up 2 260(216) for $400.

 

[blckgrffn]

What the crap is that thing? Seriously?

That reminds me of, hmm, I think the 7600GS I bough back in the day? It was all of $140, but I opened the box and thought "That's it?"

~$300-$400 for a dinky card like that? Yeah, I'll complain even as I install it and enjoy the performance

Still waiting for real compute numbers on these things. I would imagine that this card must be pretty efficient if the coolers can be that tiny and not be dustbusters. A single six pin would have been great.

With any luck there will 670's on 680 PCBs for small incremental cost...

 

[chronochime]

How many people will complain about the GTX670 because the card looks like a $50 low-end wannabe?

How the heck is this so much smaller than the 680 anyway? Seems like someone did a shop on the original(or some other board) and came up with this.

When IS the NDA supposed to be lifted anyway?

 

[Axon]

How the heck is this so much smaller than the 680 anyway? Seems like someone did a shop on the original(or some other board) and came up with this.

When IS the NDA supposed to be lifted anyway?

Looks like May 10-May 15.

 

[Don Karnage]

NV must have really tight margins to make a $400 video card with a cheap 4 phase PCB. This s*cks because once EVGA, ASUS, MSI etc the 670 on a good quality PCB with more phases, etc; the price will go up $30-60US. Maybe I won't be upgrading my GTX 460 this summer**

** $400 is already high for me, I've always stayed below $350, except the time I was able to pick up 2 260(216) for $400.

Looks to be the size of the 7850 pcb

 

[blckgrffn]

Looks to be the size of the 7850 pcb

Really?

Wow, I guess I am out of touch on these new cards, I haven't had the opportunity to see/handle any of the 28nm crowd.

I just got a 6850 in the mail last night, and that card is still pretty substantial...

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

There really isn't a cheap upgrade this gen for 6900 + 400+ 500 series owners. Oh well money stays in the bank. See ya next year Amd/nvidia

 

[aaksheytalwar]

A new gtx 480 is $200+. How can the upgrade be cheaper than $350+ if you want at least 30-50% more performance even with overclocking

 

[Joseph F]

Looks to be the size of the 7850 pcb

Not to my eyes, it doesn't. Can you show us a picture of a 7850 with a PCB that small?

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Not to my eyes, it doesn't. Can you show us a picture of a 7850 with a PCB that small?

This

 

[MrTeal]

How many people will complain about the GTX670 because the card looks like a $50 low-end wannabe?

http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1896133-1-1.html

Yeah, I'm calling shenanigans on that PCB. If it were true, a quick pixel counting would put the size at about 6.8" long. That's basically the same size as the reference HD7750 PCB.

 

[Hatisherrif]

Size doesn't matter

 

[IlllI]

that is one funky looking card

 

[RussianSensation]

NV must think they are clever thinking they can get gamers to buy a mid-range GK104 chip for high end prices, while making huge margins by re-badging it as $400-500 video card with a cheap 4 phase PCB.

Fixed.

Historically NV's mid-range next generation chip has equalled or outperformed the previous high-end NV chip:

GeForce 2 Ultra (High End) < GeForce 3 Ti 200 (Mid-range)
GeForce 3 / Ti500 (High End) < GeForce 4 Ti4200 (Mid-range)
GeForce 4 Ti4600/4800 (High-End) < FX 5700 U (Mid-range)
GeForce FX 5900U/5950U (High-End) < 6600GT (Mid-range)
6800U (High-End) <= 7600GT (mid-range)
7800 GTX 256 (High-end) < 7900GT/7950GT (Mid-range)
7900GTX (High-end) < 8800GTS 320/8800GT (Mid-range)
8800GTX 768 / U (High-end) < GTS 250 / GTX260 (Mid-range / Upper mid-range)
GTX280/285 (High-end) < GTX 460 1GB (Mid-range)
GTX480/580 (High-end) < GTX670 (Mid-range)

Except NV never was successful trying to sell mid-range chips for $400-500 (well it tried with 8800GTS 640mb and GTX260, but failed with both).

All the signs are there:
- 256-bit memory bandwidth = GTX580 = next generation high-end chips have gobbles more bandwidth than previous high-end, not so for 680. Interestingly, GTX680 is severely memory bandwidth limited at high resolutions
- Gimped GPGPU processing = Since G80 NV has pushed GPGPU as foundation for its flagship product....
- GTX670 slightly beating GTX580 is exactly in-line with mid-range next generation part performing slightly faster than previous generation high-end part.
- GK104 SMX cluster setup is a very similar to GF104. GK104 is a codename successor for GF104....
- GTX680 was GTX670Ti until last minute
- GTX680 outperforming GTX580 by just 30% is also way off historical increases between generations

GK104 = mid-range chip, overclocks well enough to go against HD7900 series just like GTX460 OCed was good enough to often match HD5870 in benches. NV pushed it to the max to stay in the game because they couldn't get GK100/110 out. That's why GTX680 has almost no overclocking headroom left since NV pushed it to the max with Dynamic OC. That's like shipping GTX460 with 850mhz clocks from the factory.

There should be little to no surprises that GK104 can fit into such a small PC since it's a mid-range chip after all. .....

Original Kepler rumors before GTX680 launch:

GK110 high-end chip - August 2012
GeForce GTX 690 - $ 499 (estimate)
GeForce GTX 685 - $ 399 (estimate)

GK104 performance chip - March / April 2012
GeForce GTX 680 - $ 299
GeForce GTX 670 - $ 229-249 (estimate)

Other sources noted that GK104 was a mid-range / upper mid-range replacement for GTX560Ti/GTX570:

There really isn't a cheap upgrade this gen for 6900 + 400+ 500 series owners. Oh well money stays in the bank. See ya next year Amd/nvidia

More people in BRIC countries demand PC gaming hardware. We are now competing for scarce resources globally against millions of consumers in China (1.3B people in total), Russia, India (1.2B people) and Brazil.

http://www.techspot.com/news/48449-...inues-to-grow-despite-rising-competition.html

Also, the recent enthusiast craze for lower power consumption means that NV traded in performance for power consumption because gamers asked for it after criticizing Fermi. Yet, same gamers have no problems cranking HD7970 to 1250mhz @ 1.25V, pumping 150W extra power and yet NV took the Fermi criticism to the extreme and released a gimped 170W GTX680 under 195W TDP. GTX680 should have been a 250W part with 50-60% more performance over GTX580.

 

[Pneumothorax]

A new gtx 480 is $200+. How can the upgrade be cheaper than $350+ if you want at least 30-50% more performance even with overclocking

We USED to get much faster performance for the same price with a refresh. Lately these 2 punk companies have kept the price/performance ratio the same year after year. We used to get last year's $400 performance for $200 with the new products. Now we're getting last years $200 performance for $200.

 

[blastingcap]

We USED to get much faster performance for the same price with a refresh. Lately these 2 punk companies have kept the price/performance ratio the same year after year. We used to get last year's $400 performance for $200 with the new products. Now we're getting last years $200 performance for $200.

gtx 680 is more efficient and feature-laden than gtx 580 and 35% faster, with more VRAM.

And guess what, they launched for the SAME PRICE.

AMD may have gone backwards (until the recent price cuts), but NV went FORWARDS in regards to price/performance ratio.

 

[Stuka87]

Looks to be the size of the 7850 pcb

I don't think so. This is the very smallest 7850 that I could find. Most are quite a bit longer.

And it should be noted the 670 should compete with the 7950...

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

If Nvidia is truly having yield problems then they'll probably have a lot of chips to harvest. This could be a great overclocking part. I have been buying at the top of a range of cards, but I think the better value is certainly in the card that is a step down. Overclocked 7950's are very near 7970's, I wouldn't be shocked if the 670 doesn't have to sweat too much to reach 680 levels of performance.

Kepler doesn't scale nearly as well as Tahiti with overclocking, though. As far as scaling with clock speed goes NVIDIA has now found itself in the position Cayman was and AMD is now finding itself in the position GF110 was.

 

[Don Karnage]

A new gtx 480 is $200+. How can the upgrade be cheaper than $350+ if you want at least 30-50% more performance even with overclocking

480's are crap tho aa. Yes they perform well but run super hot and eat gobs of power.

 

[Tempered81]

gamers have no problems cranking HD7970 to 1250mhz @ 1.25V, pumping 150W extra power and yet NV took the Fermi criticism to the extreme and released a gimped 170W GTX680 under 195W TDP. GTX680 should have been a 250W part with 50-60% more performance over GTX580.

Yeah it's usually about ~110W at 1300mv for the 7970. I agree with you on the gk104. They definitely could have made a ~275W board and given us voltage control up to ~1300-1400mv. Then people would be seeing 1400/1800mhz clocks on those bad boys doing exactly like you said +60% over the 580 instead of +40%

 

[f1sherman]

Kepler doesn't scale nearly as well as Tahiti with overclocking, though.

actually it scales as good, if not a little better than Tahiti,
as measured in Anno 2070, BF3 and Crysis 2 @ Computerbase:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...radeon-hd-7970/16/#abschnitt_uebertaktbarkeit

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...-680/4/#abschnitt_temperatur_und_overclocking

As far as scaling with clock speed goes NVIDIA has now found itself in the position Cayman was and AMD is now finding itself in the position GF110 was.

I hear Jensen can barely sleep, because of how badly Kepler scales with OC :sneaky:

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

actually it scales as good, if not a little better than Tahiti,
as measured in Anno 2070, BF3 and Crysis 2 @ Computerbase:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...radeon-hd-7970/16/#abschnitt_uebertaktbarkeit

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...-680/4/#abschnitt_temperatur_und_overclocking



I hear Jensen can barely sleep, because of how badly Kepler scales with OC :sneaky:

No, it does not. Tahiti scales better than Kepler. Yes, Kepler still scales decently, just not as good. Not that it matters too much, because OC 7970 ties OC 680 and therefore doesn't turn the superior scaling into a win.

Pitcairn and Tahiti GPUs are probably outselling GK104 GPUs by a long shot, not to mention AMD has a lot less yield problems than NVIDIA so they can meet demand better. Where's the GTX 680 available to buy now, again?

 

[f1sherman]

That's a nice set of pics.
But what are they supposed to prove?

Pitcairn and Tahiti GPUs are probably outselling GK104 GPUs by a long shot, not to mention AMD has a lot less yield problems than NVIDIA so they can meet demand better. Where's the GTX 680 available to buy now, again?

Kepler has outsold 7970 by 9:1 ratio in April according to Steam, and is readily avilable in the whole wide world, except in USA.
Where apparently Nvidia is not picking the money of the table
(but neither are etailers, like in EU where 7970 is €100 cheaper)
and hence demand far outweighs supply.