Yea man it's so boring when the new mainstream part matches the old flagship part. We don't know the prices yet but if the price has dropped to $200-$250 for Barts XT and it matches Cypress XT IMO that's pretty exciting no matter which side your on.
Thats why I said performance wise. What it is doing to prices is awesome.
And which mainstream part matches which flagship part?
We won't know performance wise until Cayman launches
. But yea I sort of mis-interpreted your post, sorry.TDP's rise significantly for *any* (AMD or Nvidia) graphics card when the clocks are increased. But there are several big factors you didn't consider:
Compare the gtx465 to gtx470 on anandtech's original gtx465 review. Both are running at the same clock speeds and using the same GF100 chip, however the gtx470 is around 25% faster while only drawing 5% more power in games despite having more of the chip enabled.
The compare a gtx480 to gtx470. More chip enabled, 100mhz higher clock speeds. The gtx480 is around 20% faster while drawing around 15% more power in games.
Now look at the latest reviews for newer manufactured gtx480's - some are running 50mhz faster than standard gtx480's while simultaneously pulling less power than the initial gtx480's at stock speeds.
So, in a nutshell, and especially with binning parts, TDP will be reasonably contained when, not if, Nvidia releases the 384 shader gf104 part.
EDIT: Further hinting that a new card is imminent is given in the cnet article with the nvidia / AMD emails http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20020318-1.html:
"Further to our e-mail last night about the GeForce GTX 460 1GB/GTX 470 price adjustment, please rest assured that our price adjustments are in fact permanent. Any claims that our pricing update is temporary are patently false. The price adjustments we made are not temporary, and are reflective of an upcoming change in our product lineup."
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Grooveriding
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Yeah, you missed the 6970 memo I guess. Check the forums, you'll find some info ()
It is red, but it's going to be faster than the green you have.
apoppin
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It's nice to see you also. Did i go anywhere?
i am incredibly busy. i have barely time to post on my own forum most of the time. However, with a new launch coming and having to spend a 100 hour week devoted to benching the two new cards, there were a couple of topics that i was able to add important information not under NDA.
During a long benchmark, i am often able to sneak in a post here, like now. All the stock and O/C'd benching is done and i am running Furmark now.
:hmm:
It also gives me a chance to bounce a couple of ideas around here to see if they have validity. And i have been predicting Nvidia's response ever since there were rumors of HD 6000 series.
i have to say that my predictions have been spot on
(in shameless self-promotion that i was told never to do beginning with my mom at an early age)
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Yeah, you missed the 6970 memo I guess. Check the forums, you'll find some info ()
I would expect no less!
IMO Nvidia is dropping prices IN anticipation of 6000s.....which means, they will most likely drop it even MORE once AMD cards are out.
REAd lets get some sales in before 6000
REAd lets get some sales in before 6000
apoppin
Lifer
IMO Nvidia is dropping prices IN anticipation of 6000s.....which means, they will most likely drop it even MORE once AMD cards are out.
REAd lets get some sales in before 6000
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20020318-1.html
"Further to our e-mail last night about the GeForce GTX 460 1GB/GTX 470 price adjustment, please rest assured that our price adjustments are in fact permanent. Any claims that our pricing update is temporary are patently false. The price adjustments we made are not temporary, and are reflective of an upcoming change in our product lineup."
Toldjaso
Of course Nvidia is having a fire-sale
How does a GTX 460+ sound to you?
:biggrin:
NOTHING sounds good to me right now until I see what 6000s can do and how Nvidia adjust their prices (assuming AMD will give Nvidia run for the money).
:biggrin:
It's all about patience....
apoppin
Lifer
We already know the new price (SEP) for GTX 460-1GB is $199
--expect many standard boards to sell in the $180s-$190s, and OC boards to sell for $209+.
$259 for GTX 470
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Because they should want AMD to have a great launch? These companies are in business to make money for their shareholders, not to adhere to your personal ideals. Kinda like Richard Fuddy going back and forth on tesselation to whatever flavor currently favors AMD. They both do what they have to, to try and paint themselves in the best light.
If Nv did nothing to combat the HD 68xx launch then I would be concerned about them. But they are fighting back (price drops, new products likely on the way)
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So what did you think about AMD having a Zacate demo when Intel was having their IDF? Was that a truly pathetic, el cheapo lowlife trick or brilliant marketing?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/10/intel-to-show-off-sandy-bridge-at-idf-next-week-amd-counters-wi/
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Me too
I think it's actually not all that uncommon a practice. HTC did to Nokia in London also.
http://gizmodo.com/5638627/nokia-ha...erence-survival-kits-to-journalists-in-london
Nokia apparently wasn't amused.
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What do you mean? You missed the GTX580 Launch announcement yesterday?
JHH brought it out yesterday at a press conference to counter the upcoming HD6900 seriers, but then the white frame securing the black fan shroud accidentally fell off, revealing an empty PCB with no chip anywhere to be found.
So this morning they called an emergency meeting to lower GTX460/470 prices and remove the existence of the GTX 580 from their website. :thumbsup:
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I don't know about you guys but I would like some decent pc games to play. Console ports make upgrading hard to do. Where the hell is crysis 3?
So, now it's the GTX-460+? I guess the GTX-475 we've been hearing about almost since the release of the GTX-460 isn't happening?
The fully functioning GF100 aka: GTX-485, also a no go?
And we see the GTX-580. Looks a lot like a GTX-460x2 (spec wise) or possibly a GTX-495, which we also have been hearing about for quite some time, but apparently is also a no go?
The GF110 mega-chip is coming. At least it's from an official source that it is, even if it's not an official announcement. It should happen, I would think? The single chip perf. crown, it seems, is important to nVidia. AMD doesn't seem interested in building a 300W single chip solution. So, it's a target they can hit, like the GTX-480 was for them.
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Guys, I'm pretty sure T2K was talking about the OP (potential product "leak" and/or PR stunt from NVIDIA) and not the lowering of prices. At least that's how I saw it...
If there really is a 580 in the works soon to be released, cool stuff. However, if there isn't such a product or there is but it's release date is over 6 months from now, then that is pretty pathetic of NVIDIA.
If there really is a 580 in the works soon to be released, cool stuff. However, if there isn't such a product or there is but it's release date is over 6 months from now, then that is pretty pathetic of NVIDIA.
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What do you mean? You missed the GTX580 Launch announcement yesterday?
JHH brought it out yesterday at a press conference to counter the upcoming HD6900 seriers, but then the white frame securing the black fan shroud accidentally fell off, revealing an empty PCB with no chip anywhere to be found.
So this morning they called an emergency meeting to lower GTX460/470 prices and remove the existence of the GTX 580 from their website. :thumbsup:
No, no.
In keeping with Nvidia's new tradition of working from a carpentry prototype up to production ready hardware, here is the GTX 580 as it is now in its infancy
Expect a hard launch in April 2011.
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