Gtx 570 - had 5 hours then died :/

[happy medium]

The word is spreading....the high failure rate can't be covered and/or hushed up any longer.


Yeah...except he actually has some credibility...

Still waiting for that link...........:whiste:

Remember there was tens of thousands of gtx570's sold, so please don't show me links or posts of 100 cards. That would be less than a 1% failure rate.

Mabe a graph of something to link officially? Something that shows total RMA's vs cards sold? ANything?:whiste:

 

[Madcatatlas]

Back to trolling happy?

 

[notty22]

Well IMHO, there are no video cards from AMD or Nviidia that arrive dead or die within the first months, more than normal. Manufacturing of anything can be less than perfect, people need to use factory warranties at times. I noted certain groups tried to start whichhunts on the gtx 460, now it's another popular seller, the gtx 570, that is attempting to be demonized.
Why would we read about the gtx 570 in forums often ?
Maybe because according to the latest Steam Survey, the gtx 570 shows up being used more often than the AMD 6970,6950,6870,6850 .

 

[3DVagabond]

Did you have a question on how to fix your card or troubleshoot it or are you just advertising to us that your card died and your RMAing it.
In short , whats the point of this thread?

Anyways, I know the 570 Gtx's have a history of dying early but that is something else. And I did not overclock the card either outside of how it came out of the box [OC edition]. The card is on its way back to Newegg now and I have a dilemma: push for refund or replace for a 580.

Or go back to AMD ? I never had a AMD card die on me..

My question I guess, at this point is whether or not a 580gtx is worth the near $100 premium over the 570gtx...It will be a week before I am refunded so i can make up the difference easily by then. But is the build quality better and is the additional speed worth it. I sure as hell hope the build quality is better atleast [when I googled 570 death its amazing how common it was and still is].

As far as a exact replacement goes I dont want to risk getting another card that lasts 5 hrs. If I would get another and it dies again thats a week+ of time without a real video card, and for $20-$30 more I can get a Msi twin frozr iii power edition which does have a beefed up non-ref power design.

Looks like the OP was seeking advice about what to replace the card with.

Are you guessing or do you have documented figures on what gpu's die faster than others?

Whether you believe it or not is immaterial. It's the OP's thread, and he's figured it out by reading around.

 

[amenx]

All manufacturers have their occasional 'problem' card. Of these particular models, the ones without problems I am sure vastly outnumber the problematic ones.

Nvidia's Problem card: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?266026-Dead-570-s-%28Have-you-killed-yours-)&

AMDs problem card: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=322672

 

[toyota]

mostly what I see with the gtx570 failures are people pushing the hell out of the card. jeez some people were using 1.2 volts on air and wonder why their card dies. 1.1 is the limit in afterburner and I would probably never even put mine at that.

 

[amenx]

The 570 is such a phenomenal card imo, and so close to the 580 in performance, that even if their failure rate were much higher than reported, I would still go for it all over again.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

peonyu is right. The 570s have had a higher failure rate than other cards, and these mostly occured with the reference vrm layout (4+2 phase). I suspect MSI came out with TFIII precisely because of that. The improved card has a more robust 6+2 phase vrm layout. A few other brands also beefed up their 570s (Asus, Gainward, PNY).

The 6950 also has a TFIII version. It's just an overall improvement over the TFII and likely to be used on all future cards.

 

[happy medium]

Looks like the OP was seeking advice about what to replace the card with.

I thought when you RMA a card you get another card. Why would you switch cards?

I just dont understand why if you were one of the very very very unlucky few you would suddenly just change cards.

 

[Madcatatlas]

in post 26 you are arguing or wanting proof of the generally accepted fact that 570s have higher error and failure rates duo to not enough VRMs.
This is not the same as your last post, where you state "i just dont understand why if you were one of the very very very unlucky few...snip.." since that is a stance I would support in this case.

But i do consider it trolling if you without any incentive want to make a case for the 570s having just the same issues as all other cards out there.
It would be akin to saying all cards explode like the vanilla 590s and its not a bigger issue with the vanilla 590s.
Which (to spell it out so you dont miss the point) it was.

So in essence: i completely agree, you will likely be getting the same type of card back, unless MSI is kind enough or flexible enough to listen to your eventual request of getting the Radeon version of this "hawk" or whatever type it was he mentioned... (no im not going to bother opening another window just to get that part right..)

 

[peonyu]

in post 26 you are arguing or wanting proof of the generally accepted fact that 570s have higher error and failure rates duo to not enough VRMs.
This is not the same as your last post, where you state "i just dont understand why if you were one of the very very very unlucky few...snip.." since that is a stance I would support in this case.

But i do consider it trolling if you without any incentive want to make a case for the 570s having just the same issues as all other cards out there.
It would be akin to saying all cards explode like the vanilla 590s and its not a bigger issue with the vanilla 590s.
Which (to spell it out so you dont miss the point) it was.

So in essence: i completely agree, you will likely be getting the same type of card back, unless MSI is kind enough or flexible enough to listen to your eventual request of getting the Radeon version of this "hawk" or whatever type it was he mentioned... (no im not going to bother opening another window just to get that part right..)

I bought it from Newegg, and it died on day 1 so Newegg agreed to refund me my $350 once it arrives back to them. I really dont see where MSI comes into this, other than their card being the one I purchased [and it is basically a Ref card it turned out]. For another $30 Ill buy a quality 570 gtx this time [6+2 pwr unit] and not mess with the vrm deprived ref 570's again.

 

[spinejam]

1. I bought it from Newegg, and it died on day 1 so Newegg agreed to refund me my $350 once it arrives back to them. I really dont see where MSI comes into this, other than their card being the one I purchased [and it is basically a Ref card it turned out]. For another $30 Ill buy a quality 570 gtx this time [6+2 pwr unit] and not mess with the vrm deprived ref 570's again.

That's what I'd advise too!

 

[skipsneeky2]

I bought it from Newegg, and it died on day 1 so Newegg agreed to refund me my $350 once it arrives back to them. I really dont see where MSI comes into this, other than their card being the one I purchased [and it is basically a Ref card it turned out]. For another $30 Ill buy a quality 570 gtx this time [6+2 pwr unit] and not mess with the vrm deprived ref 570's again.

So did nvidia skimp out on the vrms?

I find it kinda bs that your gonna be paying such a premium at this point mind as well find a 580 on sale .

By default nvidia should make that a industry standard but maybe cost will go up?

 

[peonyu]

I got my refund today and went with a Zotac Gtx 580 [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16814500184]. I was going to buy another 570, this time a "premium" card that had more vrms, but the cost came close to $400 so I figured why bother. Might aswell spend another 50$ and get something better out of the box.

The only concern I have [besides going ouch at 450$..] is the brand. I never heard of Zotac much before but they are 50$ less than everyone else...Hopefully they are good though

 

[Paladin]

buy a quality 570 gtx this time [6+2 pwr unit] and not mess with the vrm deprived ref 570's again.

Does the Galaxy GTX570 use this configuration? Or is it the older one that people are reporting problems with?
Looking to upgrade....
thanks

 

[peonyu]

Galaxy ? I doubt it. Most 570s are ref, and if they are not they will state so specifically. Asus DCII is non ref and so is the Msi twin Frozr III, If i were to buy a 570 again it would be one of those two only, just for the peace of mind that my card isn't going to up and die the next day/a month later etc.

 

[Paladin]

My worry is if I should go for the Galaxy which is $289 AR, or settle for a 560Ti for $60-$70 cheaper. I certainly don't want something that has a higher rate of failure.

 

[toyota]

My worry is if I should go for the Galaxy which is $289 AR, or settle for a 560Ti for $60-$70 cheaper. I certainly don't want something that has a higher rate of failure.

with your cpu, you will never see the difference between those two cards. in fact, in really cpu intensive games, you will not see much difference over your current gtx260 while using an E8400.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Do you have a SSD? If not, you might consider going with the ti (which is a very capable card btw) and picking up a cheaper solid state drive. Just a thought.

 

[bryanW1995]

Some electronics just fail. Your card did not die because of a factory overclock or the supposed vrm issue on reference gtx 570's. Which would have been from the initial first production run. That MSI card uses a custom designed board regardless.
Why not just get a exact replacement ?

And you know this how exactly? Factory overclocks are quite often the cause of a failed card, I had an MSI gtx 260 core 216 that didn't like to run at the overclock of 655 after the first year or so, so I just ran it at stock (it was a backup crunching seti anyway). I eventually sold it as a stock clocked card, the new owner hasn't had issues with it there, either, but it was just a no-go at the overclocked settings.

No idea on the alleged vrm issues, I haven't been here much in the past few months. Is this somehow related to the exploding gtx 590 cards?

 

[bryanW1995]

All electronics suffer a certain amount of early deaths -- DVD players, TVs, blenders, video cards.

If you go to Newegg and read the 1-star reviews you'll see reports of early, sudden death for every model of both nvidia and AMD cards. So there's no escape.

My EVGA GTX 560 ti died suddenly after a week of use (spread over a couple of months because of moving), but the RMA replacement from EVGA has now lasted for >2 months of daily use and ~200 hours of Borderlands. I did have some weirdness with the fan where it was noisy and then suddenly settled down, but it's fine now.

So, RMA, use the new card, be happy.

That must be a recurring theme with some nvidia cards. I had a lot of issues with my old gtx 260 fan going crazy on me, it probably did it around 25% of the time that I restarted the computer. I finally fixed it by installing vista 64 and just never restarting.

 

[notty22]

And you know this how exactly? Factory overclocks are quite often the cause of a failed card, I had an MSI gtx 260 core 216 that didn't like to run at the overclock of 655 after the first year or so, so I just ran it at stock (it was a backup crunching seti anyway). I eventually sold it as a stock clocked card, the new owner hasn't had issues with it there, either, but it was just a no-go at the overclocked settings.

No idea on the alleged vrm issues, I haven't been here much in the past few months. Is this somehow related to the exploding gtx 590 cards?

The last part about exploding cards, along with your other silliness is troll speak. Maybe it was user error if you could not get your purchase to run correctly.

edit: I will clarify my comment, that any product you buy as a consumer, if it breaks in 5 hours, you get a refund or exchange and move on. I have some study in electronics and I worked in manufacturing at a at+t plant (15 years ago). I did many jobs in a few years from electronic board assembly, soldering, inspection, die bond and stitch operator etc. But it's mainly common sense first why I made the comment about a new purchase dieing in 1 day.

 

[bryanW1995]

The last part about exploding cards, along with your other silliness is troll speak. Maybe it was user error if you could not get your purchase to run correctly.

edit: I will clarify my comment, that any product you buy as a consumer, if it breaks in 5 hours, you get a refund or exchange and move on. I have some study in electronics and I worked in manufacturing at a at+t plant (15 years ago). I did many jobs in a few years from electronic board assembly, soldering, inspection, die bond and stitch operator etc. But it's mainly common sense first why I made the comment about a new purchase dieing in 1 day.

Sure, maybe it was user error that only one nvidia card that I've ever owned had a fan issue and I couldn't fix it, even though I was an expert rivatuner user. And I've owned in the past ten years the following:

geforce 2 gts
geforce 4 ti 4200
6600gt
7600gt
7300gt
gtx 260
gtx 260 core 216 (factory oc)
9600 gs
gtx 460 768


and I still own everything but the first two. I just checked, the gtx 260 that I still have is the factory OC model. That factory OC gtx 260 core 216 is the only card that I've ever owned from nvidia that had this sort of crazy fan issue, and it will literally do it (intermittently) right when I boot into windows. But it's my fault almost certainly, even though I've tried that card in several computers and had the same issue, then replaced it with numerous of the other cards listed with no issues at all.

So let's assume for a minute that I know a little bit about my video card. Are you saying that I'm trolling by talking about exploding gtx 590's? Hmm, I wonder what google thinks:

exploding gtx 590


And if we go back to the original point that gtx 570's have issues, it appears that there is numerous evidence to back this up as well. Are you saying that many users are for some reason targeting gtx 570 but are happy as clams with gtx 460/560/560ti/580? Really? Maybe you should take off the green-tinted glasses for 5 minutes and try to see the world clearly.

 

[notty22]

Try reading the thread and think about my comment you challenged and why you did.
It goes back to my first response to you.

 

[Paladin]

Toyota,
I realize that, I'm doing a system upgrade also (2500K, etc..), just looking for advice on the Galaxy 570.
Thanks.