Gtx 570 - had 5 hours then died :/

[peonyu]

So a week or two ago I assembled parts for a new system, a I5 2500k / Asrock z68 Extreme3 Gen3 and I chose the Msi Gtx 570 twin frozr ii OC edition as the graphics card. Anyways to make a long story short, all of the parts came in last week except for the video card, so in the meantime I was using the I5's built in video card [which is surprisingly competent].

Yesterday the 570 came in, brand new, I opened the box up and everything looked great. I installed it and that went smoothly, windows saw it etc. So I load up Deus ex : HR and after about a hour I got a nice sweet full system shutdown and then it restarts...I figure its a driver issue so re dl the driver, load the game up and 5 min later it shuts down again. Except this time my system beeps and I get no video [meaning the I5 gpu kicked in]. I swapped my DVI cable to the I5 and yep...Card died. I tested it on my brother's comp and again, no video.

Anyways, I know the 570 Gtx's have a history of dying early but that is something else. And I did not overclock the card either outside of how it came out of the box [OC edition]. The card is on its way back to Newegg now and I have a dilemma: push for refund or replace for a 580.

Or go back to AMD ? I never had a AMD card die on me..

 

[blackened23]

Did you set the GPU fan manually? I had one nvidia card in the past that died because the drivers did not throttle the fan properly. On my GTX 580, it can easily push 87C+ with auto fan throttling.

Whenever I get a new card, I keep an eye on the GPU temperature and fan throttling to make sure the drivers handle it properly. Some manufacturers are definitely lax about this....Lately i've been setting all of my cards to manual fan (high setting)

 

[peonyu]

Fan was on auto, its a very sweet looking card. And even on auto at 2500 rpm it was near silent, and temps never passed 78c. Easily the quietest and coolest card i have had...my suspicion is, going by google searching this...Is the factory OC on the card killed the vrms quickly. If i get another 570 it will be a 6+2 pwr unit model. Its either that or just a dud card.

My question I guess, at this point is whether or not a 580gtx is worth the near $100 premium over the 570gtx...It will be a week before I am refunded so i can make up the difference easily by then. But is the build quality better and is the additional speed worth it. I sure as hell hope the build quality is better atleast [when I googled 570 death its amazing how common it was and still is].

 

[notty22]

Fan was on auto, its a very sweet looking card. And even on auto at 2500 rpm it was near silent, and temps never passed 78c. Easily the quietest and coolest card i have had...my suspicion is, going by google searching this...Is the factory OC on the card killed the vrms quickly. If i get another 570 it will be a 6+2 pwr unit model. Its either that or just a dud card.

My question I guess, at this point is whether or not a 580gtx is worth the near $100 premium over the 570gtx...It will be a week before I am refunded so i can make up the difference easily by then. But is the build quality better and is the additional speed worth it. I sure as hell hope the build quality is better atleast [when I googled 570 death its amazing how common it was and still is].

Some electronics just fail. Your card did not die because of a factory overclock or the supposed vrm issue on reference gtx 570's. Which would have been from the initial first production run. That MSI card uses a custom designed board regardless.
Why not just get a exact replacement ?

 

[peonyu]

Some electronics just fail. Your card did not die because of a factory overclock or the supposed vrm issue on reference gtx 570's. Which would have been from the initial first production run. That MSI card uses a custom designed board regardless.
Why not just get a exact replacement ?

No I think the model I have is based on the reference design, looking at it from the side its missing the 2 other Vrms which would be there if it was non-ref. I would take the HSF off to make sure but im not going to mess with a RMA by doing that, but it does have a odd smell around where the heatsink covers the vrms..

As far as a exact replacement goes I dont want to risk getting another card that lasts 5 hrs. If I would get another and it dies again thats a week+ of time without a real video card, and for $20-$30 more I can get a Msi twin frozr iii power edition which does have a beefed up non-ref power design.

 

[peonyu]

Apparently MSI has two versions of the Twin Frozr ii floating around, 1 is a ref board with the only difference being that they are using their custom heatsink fitted to it [ie- great heatsink but beware of the vrms]. The other version uses MSI's own custom PCB with all of the vrms present and an additional vrm added on. I have pics of both and unfortunately I did receive the Ref board, its all a luck of the draw on which model you will get. Just looking at the different placements for the PCIe connectors shows that its very easy to know which version you have.

Ref board [same as mine, missing bottom two vrms and pcie connectors are on the side]:

Msi Non ref design, which apparently has seen virtually zero card deaths so far. Pcie connectors in the back and a full bank of vrms:

Does it matter ? No not really. But im bored so googled those pics up. The Twin Frozr iii power edition is guaranteed to be the newer pcb which I will likely get [or a 580].

 

[amenx]

peonyu is right. The 570s have had a higher failure rate than other cards, and these mostly occured with the reference vrm layout (4+2 phase). I suspect MSI came out with TFIII precisely because of that. The improved card has a more robust 6+2 phase vrm layout. A few other brands also beefed up their 570s (Asus, Gainward, PNY).

Most of the dead 570s involved those who disabled the power limiter or raised voltage above a certain point, but a few were on stock volts, no limiter disabled. Kind of strange because I've seen others with 570s (reference vrms) overclocking very high on high volts with no problem. Still, these cards seem to have a higher failure rate than all other 5xx series. I've got the Gigabyte 570 OC with ref vrms so have not over-volted it due to this concern.

 

[peonyu]

Well I consider it good luck it died so soon in a way. I overclock my cards after a week of having them, and if it did not die on day 1 at stock settings then Im sure it would have died next week when I would overclock it. For 350$ i do expect a more sturdy design, over volted or not to a reasonable degree [which I did not get around to doing]. So the enhanced MSI or ASUS 6+2 design is something I have to get. Just to throw this out there though, I had a 4850 volt modded to 1.4v and its temps hit 120c by accident, it survived. Solid construction like that is something i love [though I am not blaming any company if a card dies due to vmod dont get me wrong here].

And before someone asks, if i killed a card via vmod would I rma ? Probably not.

 

[DaveSimmons]

All electronics suffer a certain amount of early deaths -- DVD players, TVs, blenders, video cards.

If you go to Newegg and read the 1-star reviews you'll see reports of early, sudden death for every model of both nvidia and AMD cards. So there's no escape.

My EVGA GTX 560 ti died suddenly after a week of use (spread over a couple of months because of moving), but the RMA replacement from EVGA has now lasted for >2 months of daily use and ~200 hours of Borderlands. I did have some weirdness with the fan where it was noisy and then suddenly settled down, but it's fine now.

So, RMA, use the new card, be happy.

 

[stahlhart]

Apparently MSI has two versions of the Twin Frozr ii floating around, 1 is a ref board with the only difference being that they are using their custom heatsink fitted to it [ie- great heatsink but beware of the vrms]. The other version uses MSI's own custom PCB with all of the vrms present and an additional vrm added on.

Is this just for the 570, or for Twin Frozr II cards in general?

 

[3DVagabond]

It's hard to say whether the 580 is worth ~$100 more than the 570. In pure percentage of performance increase? No. It is what it is though... The fastest single GPU (in a large majority of the cases). There's a premium for that beyond just perf/$.

I think you would be better off with the 570 Twin Frozr III, overall. Or, the Asus DCII, if you don't have an issue with the 3 slot design. Even though there are many who refuse to see it, the 570 reference board is a bit fragile. In reference designs the 580 seems to be much better. Could be why the 570 is ~$100 less?

 

[peonyu]

Is this just for the 570, or for Twin Frozr II cards in general?

Just the Twin Frozr ii. Nearly all other 570's are based on the reference design, which means they also are missing 2 vrms.

From what I gather, only certain MSI, Asus and Gigabyte 570 include the beefed up vrm design [which makes them non-ref]. And the Twin frozr ii's are luck of the draw. Some are ref some are not.

 

[spinejam]

I've had both the MSi Twin Frozr gtx570 and Asus gtx570 DCII cards -- both great cards but I like the Asus better. It's just beastly big!

 

[blackened23]

I've had both the MSi Twin Frozr gtx570 and Asus gtx570 DCII cards -- both great cards but I like the Asus better. It's just beastly big!

How loud is your DC2 compared to the Twin Frozr? Just curious.

I was considering the DCII (580) a few months back, but got a refernece instead. I still don't like the fan noise at load :|. Almost as loud as the 6970 reference fan.

 

[spinejam]

How loud is your DC2 compared to the Twin Frozr? Just curious.

I was considering the DCII (580) a few months back, but got a refernece instead. I still don't like the fan noise at load :|. Almost as loud as the 6970 reference fan.

The DCII is more quiet and cools better imo.




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[blackened23]

950 GPU...sick! :thumbsup:

 

[skipsneeky2]

Had myself a Asus gtx560 ti that gave up the ghost after not even a weeks use.

Got my money back and sitting on a old 9800gtx while i see how a 6970 and a gtx580 do in BF3.

Staying clear of the 570 that 560ti broke my 5 year steak of zero video card issues.

Might be off topic but which would be a cooler option 6970 or 580?

 

[peonyu]

The DCII is more quiet and cools better imo.




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Impressive. I was going to grab the DCII btw [before i got this card] but its almost always out of stock at newegg and elsewhere...Its a hard card to get it seems.

 

[peonyu]

Had myself a Asus gtx560 ti that gave up the ghost after not even a weeks use.

Got my money back and sitting on a old 9800gtx while i see how a 6970 and a gtx580 do in BF3.

Staying clear of the 570 that 560ti broke my 5 year steak of zero video card issues.

Might be off topic but which would be a cooler option 6970 or 580?

Most likely a 6970 will be cooler, nvidia cards since the 400 series have been anything but cool running cards.

 

[notty22]

Had myself a Asus gtx560 ti that gave up the ghost after not even a weeks use.

Got my money back and sitting on a old 9800gtx while i see how a 6970 and a gtx580 do in BF3.

Staying clear of the 570 that 560ti broke my 5 year steak of zero video card issues.

Might be off topic but which would be a cooler option 6970 or 580?

If you compare the reference coolers on both cards , they run about the same temperature under gaming load.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/24
The gtx 580 Vapor Chamber HS, for the performance achieved and power used got rave reviews.

Vapor chamber coolers have been around for quite some time as aftermarket/custom coolers, and are often the signature design element for Sapphire; it was only more recently with the Radeon HD 5970 that we saw one become part of a reference GPU design. NVIDIA has gone down the same road and is now using a vapor chamber for the reference GTX 580 cooler. Visually this means the heatpipes are gone, while internally this should provide equal if not better heat conduction between the GPU’s heatspreader and the aluminum heatsink proper. The ultimate benefit from this being that with better heat transfer it’s not necessary to run the blower so hard to keep the heatsink cooler in order to maximize the temperature difference between the heatsink and GPU.
NVIDIA’s second change was to the blower itself, which is the source of all noise. NVIDIA found that the blower on the GTX 480 was vibrating against itself, producing additional noise and in particular the kind of high-pitch whining that makes a cooler come off as noisy. As a result NVIDIA has switched out the blower for a slightly different design that keeps a ring of plastic around the top, providing more stability. This isn’t a new design – it’s on all of our Radeon HD 5800 series cards – but much like the vapor chamber this is the first time we’ve seen it on an NVIDIA reference card.

Top: GTX 480 Blower. Bottom: GTX 580 Blower​

Finally, NVIDIA has also tinkered with the shape of the shroud encasing the card for better airflow. NVIDIA already uses a slightly recessed shroud near the blower in order to allow some extra space between it and the next card, but they haven’t done anything with the overall shape until now. Starting with the GTX 580, the shroud is now slightly wedge-shaped between the blower and the back of the card; this according to NVIDIA improves airflow in SLI setups where there’s a case fan immediately behind the card by funneling more fresh air in to the gap between cards.

 

[happy medium]

peonyu is right. The 570s have had a higher failure rate than other cards,

Are you guessing or do you have documented figures on what gpu's die faster than others?

 

[3DVagabond]

Are you guessing or do you have documented figures on what gpu's die faster than others?

If you read around the tech forums you get a fairly good idea.

 

[toyota]

950 GPU...sick! :thumbsup:

at 1.125 volts though so yikes. my gtx570 does not oc worth a poop. even to get perfectly stable at 800, I have to go to 1.025 from my stock vid of 1.013. I need 1.050 just for 825 stable which is silly. funny thing is the memory overclocks like crazy. the highest I tried pushing it was about 4600 and it was stable. and performance did not degrade which will happen when gddr5 is pushed to far. of course i do not want to stress my card that much so I will never actually run 4600.

 

[happy medium]

If you read around the tech forums you get a fairly good idea.

SO guessing is the answer? Or did someone take all the video forums on the internet vs how many cards sold with every gpu made in the past 2 years and do the averages of failing for each individual card sold?

If so please give me that link.:whiste:

Let me give you this blanket statement ...

AMd cards fail 2x more than Nvidia cards because thats what I read around the tech forums to get my good idea.
Proof enough for ya?

Back on topic without bias bashing.

OP you were one of the unlucky few out of thousands that recieved a bad card . You will find in your lifetime this will happen with many products because no manufacturer is perfect.

Did you have a question on how to fix your card or troubleshoot it or are you just advertising to us that your card died and your RMAing it.
In short , whats the point of this thread?

 

[Will Robinson]

The word is spreading....the high failure rate can't be covered and/or hushed up any longer.

Let me give you this blanket statement ...

AMd cards fail 2x more than Nvidia cards because thats what I read around the tech forums to get my good idea.
Proof enough for ya?

Yeah...except he actually has some credibility...