GTX 490 throws down to 5970

[MentalIlness]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18906/65/
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/faith/gtx490-throws-down-to-5970/

Behind closed doors at Computex, nVidia is likely to be showing its most important partners a very serious piece of new kit. The GTX490. Remember when the 7950 GX2 was considered power-hungry for pulling 110w in 3D testing? Looking back at that era, it seems that ATI and nVidia just weren’t trying hard enough.
As we continue to look under the rocks in Taiwan, more interesting information about nVidia’s new high-end card has come to light. To be honest, water-damage and exposure to UV rays means the ink has run in places and we’re looking at this document over a weak video link, but we’re pretty sure that the key info is intact. Question remains: Is it accurate?
Firstly, it shows that the GTX490 is a dual-GPU card. We gathered that.
It’s likely to use the Fermi GTX470 processors, but we’re unable to confirm the exact clocks etc.
GTX490’s power draw looks to be around 375w.
Given that the GTX470 is a 215w part when shipped on its own PCB, there would appear to be some serious down-clocking in action.
We know from the big notebook manufacturers that nVidia sells GTX chips that can run on as little as 100 watts (if you have plenty of spare money and can wait for them to be speed binned).
The key question won’t be “Can the GTX490 beat the original 2GB Radeon HD 5970?”.
The actual question will be “Can GTX490 beat the new 4GB Radeon HD 5970?”.

 

[thilanliyan]

375w??!! Isn't the GTX480 cooler struggling to keep temps in check (at reasonable noise levels) with a dual slot, 5(?) heatpipe cooler?

 

[happy medium]

Quote:
"The actual question will be “Can GTX490 beat the new 4GB Radeon HD 5970?”.

Is the gtx 490 gonna cost 1000$? No. Then why would it have to beat a 5970 4gb?

I think they forget its not 2 cards drawing power its 2 gpu's on 1 pcb. It's very likley that they will not have to reduce clocks @ 375 watts.

 

[MrK6]

Quote:
"The actual question will be “Can GTX490 beat the new 4GB Radeon HD 5970?”.

Is the gtx 490 gonna cost 1000$? No. Then why would it have to beat a 5970 4gb?

I think they forget its not 2 cards drawing power its 2 gpu's on 1 pcb. It's very likley that they will not have to reduce clocks @ 375 watts.

PCB's don't draw power, parts do. The parts will probably be largely the same (unless they drop it down to a 256-bit bus and 1GB effective vRAM, which will save them a good amount of power, but I doubt they will), so power consumption doesn't change much switching to 1 PCB.

Also, where's your source for the pricing information?

375W power draw, wow. There's just so much fail in that one number, although I'm sure people will buy it.

Anyway, SI can't get here fast enough.

 

[Skurge]

I seriously doubt they can fit 2 470gpus on 1

 

[MentalIlness]

I have recently posted that I was waiting to upgrade to see what Nvidia's offering would be. But after the heat/power of the 4 series....I was going to go with AMD/ATI.

But this dual gpu card has me wide eyed. I am now waiting to see what it offers per power and heat. If it is less than previous parts, I may just go that route.

Of course, I have no use for Cuda or Physx.

 

[happy medium]

PCB's don't draw power, parts do. The parts will probably be largely the same (unless they drop it down to a 256-bit bus and 1GB effective vRAM, which will save them a good amount of power, but I doubt they will), so power consumption doesn't change much switching to 1 PCB.

Also, where's your source for the pricing information?

375W power draw, wow. There's just so much fail in that one number, although I'm sure people will buy it.

Anyway, SI can't get here fast enough.

Common sense?
The Nvidia line up fits right in to the price/performance of the ATI lineup.
We all know the gtx 490 will be faster(why would they release it?).
The 5970 is 700$. I exspect it to be 750$ and about 50$ faster.
The gtx 480 is 100$ more then the 5870 and with the new 256 drivers is about 25% faster.
Same goes for the gtx 470/5850.

 

[at80eighty]

it's like nvidia is doing its damnedest to appeal only to its most rabid loyalists anymore

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

This is crazy. I guess if it sells you can't blame nvidia. I still can't wrap my head around why someone would want one but to each his own.

 

[happy medium]

This is crazy. I guess if it sells you can't blame nvidia. I still can't wrap my head around why someone would want one but to each his own.

I guess they figure, if you can afford the fastest production gpu on the planet, you can afford a good psu or should allready have one.

My psu could run it and only cost me 65$ used. They often go for 109$ at newegg.

 

[lopri]

Looking forward to see the cooling solution of this beast. I saw GTX 480's heatsink in person the other day and it was damn impressive. (Those fat heat pipes!)

 

[GaiaHunter]

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18906/1/

As we previously reported, Nvidia canceled the original dual-Fermi D12U-50 because it was a bit too complex and generated as much heat as a medium yield nuclear warhead. Hence, Nvidia apparently chose to use GF104 cores for its new dual-GPU card. Despite this, the rumoured GTX 490 will end up with a 375W TDP.

So Fudzilla is saying GF104 not GTX470.

 

[Skurge]

I guess they figure, if you can afford the fastest production gpu on the planet, you can afford a good psu or should allready have one.

My psu could run it and only cost me 65$ used. They often go for 109$ at newegg.

I don't thinks its the power that the real problem. its guaranteed to be loud AND hot. I'm willing to bet a lot of that heat is going to end up in your case.

I'm pretty sure that cause havoc with thinks like NB or SB temps or HDD temps.

 

[MentalIlness]

I guess they figure, if you can afford the fastest production gpu on the planet

Remains to be seen going against the 4-gig 5970. Never know though.

I am waiting to purchase to see what the GTX465 and the 490 bring before I upgrade now. But damn...I get tired of waiting.

Would be nice if Nvidia/ATI could release parts/entire line on the same day of every product launch. How nice would that be ?

Never happen in this lifetime though.

EDIT: By the way, think my PSU could handle a GTX490 ?

Here are the specs.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'm sure my power supply would have no problem with it. It's just the fact they produce so much heat that turns me off. I also live in Texas so I guess maybe it's a bigger concern to me than others. I want a gtx 480 for damn sure. I just want it with 5870 power consumtion numbers and heat output. Maybe when they do a respin or gtx 500. Right now it looks to me the gtx series came out much worse than they intended so they upped the volts and rolled with it. Certainly not deserving of my $'s.

 

[thilanliyan]

This is crazy. I guess if it sells you can't blame nvidia. I still can't wrap my head around why someone would want one but to each his own.

QFT...it's hard to believe the effort spent on this card would be worth the rewards for nV (I personally don't think it will sell very well)...but if they think there's a market for it, then by all means I suppose. I know I wouldn't touch this card (or even a 5970)...I'd rather get SLI/XFire instead.

 

[Skurge]

Remains to be seen going against the 4-gig 5970. Never know though.

I am waiting to purchase to see what the GTX465 and the 490 bring before I upgrade now. But damn...I get tired of waiting.

Would be nice if Nvidia/ATI could release parts/entire line on the same day of every product launch. How nice would that be ?

Never happen in this lifetime though.

EDIT: By the way, think my PSU could handle a GTX490 ?

Here are the specs.

Is that thing going to pull all its power from a single 12V rail?
People with multi-rail PSUs might have a problem running it.

 

[happy medium]

Remains to be seen going against the 4-gig 5970. Never know though.

I am waiting to purchase to see what the GTX465 and the 490 bring before I upgrade now. But damn...I get tired of waiting.

Would be nice if Nvidia/ATI could release parts/entire line on the same day of every product launch. How nice would that be ?

Never happen in this lifetime though.

EDIT: By the way, think my PSU could handle a GTX490 ?

Here are the specs.

The 5970 4gb is a 1000$ triple slot card that has been out for 2 months, and I havent seen one for sale yet.


Yes, your psu has the power with 4 20 amp rails but you might need 2 8 pin connectors. You have 2 6 pins. Mabe you can find a 6 to 8 pin convertor.
I'm not sure what the card will have, but it should be 2 8 pin connectors for 300 watts and 75 watts from the motherboard.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

WTF? I didn't even see that. Guy is asking if his 850w power supply will handle this thing. I'm done with this thread. Have fun. I know they have some good combo deals on fermi and power supplies. I'm sure there will be great combos on the gtx 490 and a 1200w power supply.

 

[MentalIlness]

Is that thing going to pull all its power from a single 12V rail?
People with multi-rail PSUs might have a problem running it.

That was inline with my thinking as well. Any others here have any clue whether it will be OK or not ?

Would hate to buy the damn thing and then find I need to upgrade the PSU.

Although, the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-013-_-Product is looking tempting.

 

[happy medium]

Is that thing going to pull all its power from a single 12V rail?
People with multi-rail PSUs might have a problem running it.

No, it would pull from 2 rails and he has 480 watts on 2 rails.
He should be ok.

 

[MentalIlness]

No, it would pull from 2 rails and he has 480 watts on 2 rails.
He should be ok.

I have the "updated" version of that PSU.

PCI-Express Connector 2 x 6-Pin, 2 x 6+2-Pin


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341003

It will work with two 8-pin connectors. Im sitting here now looking at them

 

[happy medium]

I have the "updated" version of that PSU.

PCI-Express Connector 2 x 6-Pin, 2 x 6+2-Pin


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341003

It will work with two 8-pin connectors. Im sitting here now looking at them

Your good to go then.

 

[MentalIlness]

WTF? I didn't even see that. Guy is asking if his 850w power supply will handle this thing. I'm done with this thread. Have fun. I know they have some good combo deals on fermi and power supplies. I'm sure there will be great combos on the gtx 490 and a 1200w power supply.

So first you say..."YOUR" 850 should have no problem handling it, But then you act like MY 850 PSU will not ?

Antec = +3.3V@25A,+5V@30A,+12V1@25A,+12V2@25A,+12V3@25A,
+12V4@25A,-12V@0.5A,+5VSB@3.0A

OCZ = +3.3V@30A,+5V@30A,+12V1@20A,+12V2@20A,+12V3@20A, +12V4@20A,-12V@1A,+5VSB@3.0A

There is some difference between the two, but not alot. If this Antec is the one you have.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

That wasn't the point. Whenever we have to start asking if a 850 w power supply will handle a videocard it is getting ridiculous. They need to look at reducing power consumption in the future.