Gtx 475

[n0x1ous]

A quick check on Newegg had prices as such: 5970 $599, 5870 $339, 5850 $254, GTX 480 $449, GTX 470 $279, GTX 460 $159. Nvidia could definitely benefit from having something between the 470 and 480, the price gap is gigantic currently. Nvidia doesn't really have something that competes with the 5870 at current prices. The 480 is faster than the 5870, but it's not even remotely close to being $110 faster, more like $20 faster.

I agree, the potential 475 would slot in nicely there.

 

[BD231]

the 465 beats the 460 is some games at higher resolution, but I get what your saying, and I would agree....maybe it would trade blows with the 470??? win some and lose some...

The 475 will take the 470s place and the 470 will drop from the looks of it.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I wonder if it'll run any cooler than a GTX470.

 

[edplayer]

There isnt a space for such a card.

Nvidia can make space for it (if it exists). If its cheaper to make than a 470, makes sense to just replace the 470 once stocks are low enough.

 

[Genx87]

Nvidia can make space for it (if it exists). If its cheaper to make than a 470, makes sense to just replace the 470 once stocks are low enough.

I suspect that is what will happen. I would expect this card to be between a 470 and 480 in performance. It should also consume less power and be smaller to manufacture than a 470. I would imagine a 485 derivative is based on the same core.

 

[SlowSpyder]

If this performs between a 470 and 480 it makes sense to wait on it until releases their cards. Right now the 460>5830, 470>5850, and 480>5870. There isnt a space for such a card. But there will be once AMD releases the 6000 series cards.

The cheapest 5850 is cheaper (after rebate) than the cheapest GTX460 1GB on Newegg right now. Also, the GTX480 is a lot more than the cheapest 5870. Enough that if you consider the 5870 in direct compeition with the GTX480 you also have to look at the other side of that and say the 5970 is also in competition with the GTX480... so you really can't say what is 'greater than' when talking about the GTX480 or 5870, or even 5970, since they all occupy distinct price points really.

Actually, saying any of them beat one another doesn't really matter much right now. Nvidia is cutting prices and AMD is launching new parts which is likely to drop prices on old inventory if the 6xxx is good, so I doubt many people are buying right now. In a month or two (or even a day?) we might be talking about mostly obsolete parts here.

 

[tviceman]

Further confirmation that gtx475 is imminent is given in the cnet article with the nvidia / AMD emails:

"Further to our e-mail last night about the GeForce GTX 460 1GB/GTX 470 price adjustment, please rest assured that our price adjustments are in fact permanent. Any claims that our pricing update is temporary are patently false.

The price adjustments we made are not temporary, and are reflective of an upcoming change in our product lineup."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20020318-1.html

 

[edplayer]

doesn't show up on this but I suppose it could still be coming:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/10/21/nvidia.geforce.gtx.580.nears.for.late.november/


320 bit gddr5 looks nice

 

[SlowSpyder]

doesn't show up on this but I suppose it could still be coming:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/10/21/nvidia.geforce.gtx.580.nears.for.late.november/


320 bit gddr5 looks nice

I have a hunch that this 768 SP 40nm monster will be a lot like the announced 512 SP Fermi part. Announced for a very long time as a counter move designed to take some wind out of the competition's sails before ever existing, if existing at all.

 

[edplayer]

hey I see that you have a Wreckage post in your sig. Was he banned or did Nvidia require him to use up his vacation time?

 

[Genx87]

The cheapest 5850 is cheaper (after rebate) than the cheapest GTX460 1GB on Newegg right now. Also, the GTX480 is a lot more than the cheapest 5870. Enough that if you consider the 5870 in direct compeition with the GTX480 you also have to look at the other side of that and say the 5970 is also in competition with the GTX480... so you really can't say what is 'greater than' when talking about the GTX480 or 5870, or even 5970, since they all occupy distinct price points really.

Actually, saying any of them beat one another doesn't really matter much right now. Nvidia is cutting prices and AMD is launching new parts which is likely to drop prices on old inventory if the 6xxx is good, so I doubt many people are buying right now. In a month or two (or even a day?) we might be talking about mostly obsolete parts here.

The 480 was and never will be in competition with the 5970. I expect the 5850 and 5870 to be discontinued once the 6000 series that fits their market are released. Thus the 475 and 485 would be competing with those parts.

 

[Skurge]

The 480 was and never will be in competition with the 5970. I expect the 5850 and 5870 to be discontinued once the 6000 series that fits their market are released. Thus the 475 and 485 would be competing with those parts.

5870 is $350, GTX480 is $500 and 5970 is $600.

Which card is competing with which again?

 

[Genx87]

5870 is $350, GTX480 is $500 and 5970 is $600.

Which card is competing with which again?

It was released to go up against the 5870. A 480 is a single GPU top end chip.

 

[badb0y]

It was released to go up against the 5870. A 480 is a single GPU top end chip.

Sorry, that's not how it works .

 

[n0x1ous]

5870 is $350, GTX480 is $500 and 5970 is $600.

Which card is competing with which again?

come on Skurge, anyone can pull the lowest price for one and the highest for the other.

there are $450 480's and $700 5970's....theres even those magical $1200 xfx 5970's....Maybe even more telling, is that neither AMD or Nv slides show 480 and 5970 competing with each other....

 

[SlowSpyder]

It was released to go up against the 5870. A 480 is a single GPU top end chip.

I disagree, I think it was released to fit in the space between the 5870 and 5970, and priced as such, and continues to sell at a price that fits in between. I really don't think it directly competes with either so much as it provides an option for someone who has a $450 budget.

I see Barts taking the GTX460 and maybe even the GTX470 on directly. I do not think the GTX480 or 470 were like that, they seemed to be priced in between AMD's existing line up.

 

[n0x1ous]

I disagree, I think it was released to fit in the space between the 5870 and 5970, and priced as such, and continues to sell at a price that fits in between. I really don't think it directly competes with either so much as it provides an option for someone who has a $450 budget.

I see Barts taking the GTX460 and maybe even the GTX470 on directly. I do not think the GTX480 or 470 were like that, they seemed to be priced in between AMD's existing line up.

this is exactly right....all the slides from them both show the 480 directly between the 5870 and 5970 trying to hit that price point in between.

 

[Genx87]

I disagree, I think it was released to fit in the space between the 5870 and 5970, and priced as such, and continues to sell at a price that fits in between. I really don't think it directly competes with either so much as it provides an option for someone who has a $450 budget.

I see Barts taking the GTX460 and maybe even the GTX470 on directly. I do not think the GTX480 or 470 were like that, they seemed to be priced in between AMD's existing line up.

When it was released the 5870 was going for about 430 bucks. Due to the difference in performane the 5870 has been shoved downward, especially with a 470 nipping at its heels. But they were released to compete head to head with an AMD counterpart.

480-5870
470-5850
460-5830

The market is talking a bit on the 480 as a premium over the 5870. But from a product perspective that is how they are lined out.

 

[Skurge]

come on Skurge, anyone can pull the lowest price for one and the highest for the other.

there are $450 480's and $700 5970's....theres even those magical $1200 xfx 5970's....Maybe even more telling, is that neither AMD or Nv slides show 480 and 5970 competing with each other....

Well, lowest for the 5870 is 309 and the 480 is 450, still the same gap, what I was saying is that the 480 is competing with the 5970 im saying the 480 and the 5870 aren't competing either.

 

[MentalIlness]

A quick check on Newegg had prices as such: 5970 $599, 5870 $339, 5850 $254, GTX 480 $449, GTX 470 $279, GTX 460 $159. Nvidia could definitely benefit from having something between the 470 and 480, the price gap is gigantic currently. Nvidia doesn't really have something that competes with the 5870 at current prices. The 480 is faster than the 5870, but it's not even remotely close to being $110 faster, more like $20 faster.

GTX470 = $259.99 = $229 @ Rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130550

 

[n0x1ous]

Well, lowest for the 5870 is 309 and the 480 is 450, still the same gap, what I was saying is that the 480 is competing with the 5970 im saying the 480 and the 5870 aren't competing either.

no the 480 and 5870 aren't really competing anymore from a price bracket spot, but as Genx87 pointed out, they were much closer when the 480 came out and the 5870 has moved down quite a bit since then, while the 480 has only moved down a little.

That will most likely change as well by the end of November.

 

[tviceman]

I have a hunch that this 768 SP 40nm monster will be a lot like the announced 512 SP Fermi part. Announced for a very long time as a counter move designed to take some wind out of the competition's sails before ever existing, if existing at all.

TBH, I'd be surprised if this roadmap isn't fake. I think Nvidia learned their lessons with large dies at TSMC's 40nm process - and unless they have managed to pack on 768 cores and more memory controllers all the while keeping it smaller than GF100 - then I just don't think this is an accurate representation of what GF110 will mechanically end up being.

 

[Skurge]

When it was released the 5870 was going for about 430 bucks. Due to the difference in performane the 5870 has been shoved downward, especially with a 470 nipping at its heels. But they were released to compete head to head with an AMD counterpart.

480-5870
470-5850
460-5830

The market is talking a bit on the 480 as a premium over the 5870. But from a product perspective that is how they are lined out.

Why not
-5970
480-
470-5870
460-5850?

The gaps in pricing are just the same. Unless the cards are very close in price then they aren't competing.

PS: I made the comparisons up, I don't agree with them.

 

[RussianSensation]

Well, lowest for the 5870 is 309 and the 480 is 450, still the same gap, what I was saying is that the 480 is competing with the 5970 im saying the 480 and the 5870 aren't competing either.

Now with $195 HD5850, $190 GTX460 1GB and $230 GTX460, the trio of $310 HD5870, $430 GTX480 and $600 HD5970 are all irrelevant. Those cards compete in their own little 1% world of people with a very large bank account and no time to check benchmarks

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well, lowest for the 5870 is 309 and the 480 is 450, still the same gap, what I was saying is that the 480 is competing with the 5970 im saying the 480 and the 5870 aren't competing either.

Right, some people (someone?) want to say the $140 more expensive GTX480 competes directly with the 5870. But the GTX480 does not compete directly with the $150 more expensive 5970. Seems like it's priced to fit right in between the two to me...

GTX470 = $259.99 = $229 @ Rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130550

There is a 5850 for $195, as well (after rebate). So at least one is well under that $254 price listed earlier.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127500

Again, current prices are about to change soon, so I'm not sure any of this really matters anyway.