GTX 470, 460 or HD 5850

[Rifter]

I know you said the 300 was not a good case in an earlier thread but I disagree. it has better airflow than the vast majority of cases out there including ones that claim to be high end. my temps on the gtx470 were the same that reviewers got so again the card will run hot no matter what case its in.

I agree with this 100%, the 300 is not a bad case so dont let them scare you away from it.

Look at my system in sig, i was able to obtain those listed overclocks in my antec 300 with 35c ambient temps. And it will take a 10.5" card no problem but you will lose 1x3.5" HDD bay.
Load it up with fans and it will not disappoint you. Cramming that Noctura in there though was not the most fun i have ever had i can tell you that.

 

[Will Robinson]

Until the 5850 drops below $200, I can't imagine anyone recommending it.

And yet,most of the people in this thread just did...oh yee of little imagination

 

[RussianSensation]

Please talk to "Russian" about gtx 470 and fan noise.

I had a 4890 though before hand which I will say is louder at 38 percent fan speed than GTX470 is at 70 percent fan speed. I could always hear my 4890 at night when running Milkyway at 38 percent fan speed (I mean loud!!) So coming from a 4890, GTX470 is a breath of fresh air in noise levels at load (seriously).

Comparing to my EVGA 8800GTS 320mb, the 470 is loud at load. But the thing about 470, the noise doesn't have an annoying wine/turbine sound that 4890 exhibited. Plus running at just 66 percent fan speed results in lower temperatures than 4890 did at very loud 38 percent fan speed. I would still not consider 470 a quiet card at load, but at idle (32 percent fan speed, it's quieter than all my case fans on Azza Solano at Low and my Scythe Flex-F on the Megahalems), it's one of the quietest cards (the stock fan profile comes with 40 percent fan speed though).

I can't say that 470 runs hotter than any other high end card (aside from 480 perhaps) because it has never exceeded 78 degrees celcius in my case in gaming, which is lower than the 4890, far from the 94*C reported with auto fan speeds. Plus, 470 runs at 38-42 degrees celcius at idle, compared to 52-57 degrees celcius for my 4890.

 

[MegaWorks]

I would get the 5850, it's a better deal. Also try getting the MSI version, they offer voltage tweaking. I'm probably going to get one soon, my 9800GT SLI is showing it's age lately.

 

[jvroig]

I agree with this 100%, the 300 is not a bad case so dont let them scare you away from it.

Wow, I can't believe someone actually said an Antec 300 was crappy. And I think it was just yesterday when someone said the CM 690 had crappy air flow too. Unbelievable, simply amazing. I wonder what the next "pearl of wisdom" will be. Hooray for misinformed case opinions! :thumbsup:

I can't say that 470 runs hotter than any other high end card (aside from 480 perhaps) because it has never exceeds 78 degrees celcius in my case, which is lower than the 4890, far from the 94*C reported with auto fan speeds. Plus, 470 runs at 38-42 degrees celcius at idle, compared to 52-57 degrees celcius for my 4890.

Nice to hear something nice for a change about the 470.

 

[happy medium]

Wow, I can't believe someone actually said an Antec 300 was crappy. And I think it was just yesterday when someone said the CM 690 had crappy air flow too. Unbelievable, simply amazing. I wonder what the next "pearl of wisdom" will be. Hooray for misinformed case opinions!

No one said the Antec 300 was crappy, I said it's not the best case for a gtx 470.

Here is a picture of "Russians" case vs the Antec 300.
There is a reason his card runs more quiet, its called better case airflow and it a larger case alltogether.

 

[RussianSensation]

I can't comment on how great the Antec 300 is in terms of airflow, but size wise, it is almost identical to the Antec 900 version 1. I saw them in the store side by side. Some versions of the 300 shipped with 2x120mm intake fans, while others only had 1x120mm fan.

I don't have my side case exhaust fan working because it won't fit with the Megahalems in place.

I found this review comparing the Solano to the very popular P182: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2346224,00.asp

"Our last case was an Antec P182, outfitted with four fans (two front intakes, one top exhaust, and one rear exhaust). It stayed around 46 degrees Celsius, except under load when it spiked to 50 or 51 degrees.

The AZZA Solano 1000 peaks at a frosty 38 degrees under load; in the BIOS before booting, it's normally around 32 degrees. That's with a pair of Radeon HD 4870's inside."

So you are looking at a whooping 12-13*C difference in their 4870 CF setup by just switching cases. I am pretty sure the 300 will be much better than P182, but it is important to note that when comparing temperatures we have to consider case airflow and ambient temps. Otherwise, results are impossible to compare on the forums.

 

[evolucion8]

The Antec 300 hundred is no near of the Antec 900 hundred in terms of air flow, a GTX 470 is quite inadequate for such case.

 

[toyota]

The Antec 300 hundred is no near of the Antec 900 hundred in terms of air flow, a GTX 470 is quite inadequate for such case.

absolute BS. the 900 may be slightly better overall but I know damn well when I read reviews of the case before I bought it that the 300 had just as good and sometimes even better airflow than many so called high end gaming cases. again if a 300 is not adequate for a gtx470 then neither are the cases that 99.9 percent of others own.

here the 900 case on low is not even 1 single degree better than a 300 on low during gpu stress testing. and just look how much worse most of those other cases are. I am too lazy to look for other reviews but I know the 300 has always been considered a good case with good airflow. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2010/02/18/cooler-master-cm-690-ii-case-review/3

 

[evolucion8]

absolute BS. the 900 may be slightly better overall but I know damn well when I read reviews of the case before I bought it that the 300 had just as good and sometimes even better airflow than many so called high end gaming cases. again if a 300 is not adequate for a gtx470 then neither are the cases that 99.9 percent of others own.

here the 900 case on low is not even 1 single degree better than a 300 on low during gpu stress testing. and just look how much worse most of those other cases are. I am too lazy to look for other reviews but I know the 300 has always been considered a good case with good airflow. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2010/02/18/cooler-master-cm-690-ii-case-review/3

Watch your tone when you talk to me, bullshit is that link that you posted. The Pentium processor used is far from being high end, the top fan and rear fan are enough for it, but an HD 3850 is far from being a hot chip, it dissipates less than 90W of heat, which is not even half of what the GTX 470 can dissipate.

My Antec Nine Hundred had issues with my two HD 4870 CF setup and the Q9650 at 3.82GHz during heavy testing and I had to put an additional fan on the side panel to blow air inside and it lowered my CPU temps by 9C. I doubt seriously that a low end Antec 300 which has very small spaces to put small fans can really keep the heat at bay unless if your GTX 470 uses the standard cooler which blows air outside of the case, having a midrange CPU and living in a very cool place.

 

[toyota]

Watch your tone when you talk to me, bullshit is that link that you posted. The Pentium processor used is far from being high end, the top fan and rear fan are enough for it, but an HD 3850 is far from being a hot chip, it dissipates less than 90W of heat, which is not even half of what the GTX 470 can dissipate.

My Antec Nine Hundred had issues with my two HD 4870 CF setup and the Q9650 at 3.82GHz during heavy testing and I had to put an additional fan on the side panel to blow air inside and it lowered my CPU temps by 9C. I doubt seriously that a low end Antec 300 which has very small spaces to put small fans can really keep the heat at bay unless if your GTX 470 uses the standard cooler which blows air outside of the case, having a midrange CPU and living in a very cool place.

I will talk to you in any way that I feel like. and btw the Pentium 4 955 is a MUCH hotter running chip than most current cpus. the POINT was that the case has just as good or better airflow than most cases. that is a case comparison so its irrelevant to the fact that a gtx470 isn't being used. those cases with poor airflow will suffer even worse than the 300. so again get through your head that if a 300 isn't sufficient for a gtx470 than neither is 99.9 percent of other cases the typical owner will have.

 

[Jules]

LOL @ Antec 300 case not having enough airflow. GTX 470 runs just fine and cool in my brothers case. Hes only using the top 140mm fan and back 120mm fan.

 

[RussianSensation]

Antec 300 : (LxWxH) 18.30" x 8.10" x 18.00"
1 x 120mm rear fan
2 x 120mm TriCool blue LED front fans
1 x 140mm top exhaust fan

Antec 900 Version 1 : 18.40" x 8.10" x 19.40"
1 x 120mm TriCool rear fan with 3-speed switch control
2 x 120mm TriCool blue LED front fans with
1 x 200mm top exhaust fan

So same length more or less and the same width as the 300. The additional height may make some difference. The larger top fan may add another 1-2*C. Overall 300 and 900 V1 will perform similarly based on these specs.

Antec 900 V2: 18.60" x 8.60" x 19.40"
1 x 120mm blue LED exhaust rear fan
2 x 120mm blue LED intake front fans
1 x 200mm blue LED exhaust top fan

They enlarged the width but kept the fan sizes still at 120mm. So again, I don't see much improvement in case airflow in Version 2 from Version 1. They should have upgraded to 140mm fans as intakes.

As I said before, if the Antec 300 version is equipped with 2 x 120mm intake fans, than its performance will be very similar to the 900 version.

Azza Solano: 19.70" x 8.10" x 21.50"
1 x 120mm rear fan
2 x 140mm blue LED silent fan (19DBA) in front
1 x 230mm blue LED silent fan (24DBA) on top
1 x 230mm blue LED silent fan (24DBA) on the side

 

[BFG10K]

I find it hilarious people blame the case instead of the real problem, which is the fact that Fermi is a furnace. Both the GTX470 and GTX480 are manufactured on a process that isn’t suitable for them, it’s as simple as that.

I have an Antec 902 (objectively proven by silentpcreview to have awesome cooling capability), and both the GTX470 and GTX480 are extremely loud in it. These are the loudest video cards I’ve ever used, and the GTX480 sounds like a jet engine under load.

I cannot stand being in the same room as the GTX480 under load unless I have headphones and am either gaming or listening to music with them. Even when idle I can still hear the GTX480 over my other case fans.

Anybody that tries to claim these cards don’t have a noise problem is simply down-playing reality, or they have a case loaded with 3000 rpm fans, in which case it was already loud to begin with.

 

[RussianSensation]

BFG have you tried lowering the idle fan speed of your GTX480? A lot of people run them at 50 percent fan speed for no reason. Have you tried 32-35 idle fan speeds? Set a manual profile. At those rpms, I doubt you can hear the card at all.

Also I don't think anyone is claiming that 470 or 480 are quiet at load. I never used a 480, but I can tell you that 470 is nowhere near the loudest.

 

[edplayer]

Until the 5850 drops below $200, I can't imagine anyone recommending it.

Why?

To me it looks like the 5850 is slightly faster than a 1GB GTX 460 on average. That card has a msrp of $229. Looks like another example of your bias towards Nvidia clouding your judgment. I can understand why someone would pick an Nvidia card over an Ati videocard even if the nvidia card cost more, but to say that you couldn't imagine anyone recommending it just adds to the list of why so many people dismiss you/your comments

 

[Modular]

Why?

To me it looks like the 5850 is slightly faster than a 1GB GTX 460 on average. That card has a msrp of $229. Looks like another example of your bias towards Nvidia clouding your judgment. I can understand why someone would pick an Nvidia card over an Ati videocard even if the nvidia card cost more, but to say that you couldn't imagine anyone recommending it just adds to the list of why so many people dismiss you/your comments

Exactly. Trolls gonna troll...what can you do?

I suppose this means he wouldn't recommend a GTX460 1GB until it's MSRP is below $180?

 

[Cookie Monster]

I cannot stand being in the same room as the GTX480 under load unless I have headphones and am either gaming or listening to music with them. Even when idle I can still hear the GTX480 over my other case fans.

Anybody that tries to claim these cards don’t have a noise problem is simply down-playing reality, or they have a case loaded with 3000 rpm fans, in which case it was already loud to begin with.

Even at idle? Thats strange because my GTX470 is quiet during idle @ 45% fan speed. It idles with 38~39C now thanks to the EVGA high flow bracket.

Without the fan profile that I use, the card would get pretty hot. With the fan profile, my fan speed hovers between 65~75% fan speed with GPU temps maintained below 82C. But this only applies to my undervolted profile. My overclock profile would make me hit 86C.

I guess a GTX480 entirely different beast. Try under volting it by taking it down one notch. GF100 cards seem to increment/decrement by 0.025V. Seems to shave quite abit of power consumption and heat output.

 

[Termie]

Antec 300 : (LxWxH) 18.30" x 8.10" x 18.00"
1 x 120mm rear fan
2 x 120mm TriCool blue LED front fans
1 x 140mm top exhaust fan

Antec 900 Version 1 : 18.40" x 8.10" x 19.40"
1 x 120mm TriCool rear fan with 3-speed switch control
2 x 120mm TriCool blue LED front fans with
1 x 200mm top exhaust fan

So same length more or less and the same width as the 300. The additional height may make some difference. The larger top fan may add another 1-2*C. Overall 300 and 900 V1 will perform similarly based on these specs.

Antec 900 V2: 18.60" x 8.60" x 19.40"
1 x 120mm blue LED exhaust rear fan
2 x 120mm blue LED intake front fans
1 x 200mm blue LED exhaust top fan

They enlarged the width but kept the fan sizes still at 120mm. So again, I don't see much improvement in case airflow in Version 2 from Version 1. They should have upgraded to 140mm fans as intakes.

As I said before, if the Antec 300 version is equipped with 2 x 120mm intake fans, than its performance will be very similar to the 900 version.

Azza Solano: 19.70" x 8.10" x 21.50"
1 x 120mm rear fan
2 x 140mm blue LED silent fan (19DBA) in front
1 x 230mm blue LED silent fan (24DBA) on top
1 x 230mm blue LED silent fan (24DBA) on the side

Good comparison...the thing I like about my Antec 900 is that it has an included bracket for a 120mm fan on the inside of the middle hard drive cage, which blows cool air directly onto the VGA. Maybe other cases have this too, but I've found this to make a big difference for VGA temps. That being said, I'm pretty sure the 480 would be too long to leave that bracket attached (just a hunch).

 

[BFG10K]

BFG have you tried lowering the idle fan speed of your GTX480? A lot of people run them at 50 percent fan speed for no reason. Have you tried 32-35 idle fan speeds? Set a manual profile. At those rpms, I doubt you can hear the card at all.

Stock idle fan speed is 44% (~1600 rpm). It's not loud, but I can still hear it above my other fans.

I never used a 480, but I can tell you that 470 is nowhere near the loudest.

Up until I got the GTX480, the GTX470 was the loudest video card I’d ever used.

 

[netxzero64]

GTX 460 1gb overclocked versions can nearly match 5850's performance but come to think of 5850's on OC as well... =)

 

[evolucion8]

I will talk to you in any way that I feel like. and btw the Pentium 4 955 is a MUCH hotter running chip than most current cpus. the POINT was that the case has just as good or better airflow than most cases. that is a case comparison so its irrelevant to the fact that a gtx470 isn't being used. those cases with poor airflow will suffer even worse than the 300. so again get through your head that if a 300 isn't sufficient for a gtx470 than neither is 99.9 percent of other cases the typical owner will have.

If you can't talk like civilized people, don't ever bother to reply me, add me to your ignore list and "I feel like you should stay on topic", thank you

GTX 460 1gb overclocked versions can nearly match 5850's performance but come to think of 5850's on OC as well... =)

Totally right, but if you are going to a multi GPU setup, the pair of GTX 460 are a nice choice.

 

[Kakkoii]

Why?

To me it looks like the 5850 is slightly faster than a 1GB GTX 460 on average. That card has a msrp of $229. Looks like another example of your bias towards Nvidia clouding your judgment. I can understand why someone would pick an Nvidia card over an Ati videocard even if the nvidia card cost more, but to say that you couldn't imagine anyone recommending it just adds to the list of why so many people dismiss you/your comments

$229 for a 5850? Lowest I'm seeing is $270.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20

 

[Pneumothorax]

$229 for a 5850? Lowest I'm seeing is $270.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20

I was going to bite on that card, but seeing the poor (designed for the much cooler 5770) cooler, lack of VRM cooling, and lack of voltage tweaks kinda killed it for me. Went with the Gigabyte 460 twin fan 1gb model instead. Silent in my HTPC case and runs cool surprisingly for a Nvidia. Not a Green team fanboi as my main gaming machine still sports a HIS 5870 (bought at launch when prices were more reasonable)

 

[GaiaHunter]

$229 for a 5850? Lowest I'm seeing is $270.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20

$229 is the GTX 460 1GB. Wreckage was saying the 5850 needs to be $200. Since the 5850 is overall faster than the GTX 460 it is hard to imagine a scenario where it needs to be cheaper to be recommended.

Around $250 for a 5850 will make price/performance of 5850 and GTX 460 a draw.