gtx 470 2 and 3 way sli review.

[happy medium]

Actually it's a 28.64% overclock and you're getting 25.4% return on performance (and that's counting the core only, mind you; the RAM overclock will synergize this, so it's probably even less). It's good scaling in this particular game, but I don't know if it's universal.

Considering I've shown my 5850(s) at 900/1250 to be equal to or faster than a GTX480(s), and this GTX 470 still can't outperform a GTX480, no, it won't. Also remember that my 5850's can be pushed to 1025MHz+, how much more headroom do you think that GTX 470 has, if any?

So your saying your 5850 overclocked to 900 core can beat a 5870 by 15%?
Thats bullshit. A 5850 overclocked to 900 core might match a 5870. A quick google will prove this. And overclocked to 1000 core might give it another 4% performance boost.
And we all know a 5870 is about 15% slower then a gtx 480.
The overclocked gtx 470 was about 2% slower then a gtx 480.
That means your overclocked 5850 would have to be 13% faster then a 5870 to beat the overclocked gtx 470.

5850 overclocked to 960 core can't even beat a 5870 at 875 core.
How can your 5850 overclocked to 900 get even close to a gtx 480.

proof
http://www.overclock.net/ati/705552-5850-vs-5870-comparison-benchmarks.html

 

[Meghan54]

So your saying your 5850 overclocked to 900 core can beat a 5870 by 15%?
Thats bullshit.

Is it as much bullshit as this comment:

My local computer store told me they sold 1,576 cards in the past 2 weeks.

I don't think so......

 

[MrK6]

So your saying your 5850 overclocked to 900 core can beat a 5870 by 15%?

No, how did you come to that conclusion? It will probably trade blows with it, depending on the application. At 900MHz, the 5850 core will have a higher pixel fillrate than the 5870, but less texture fillrate and shader horsepower.

And overclocked to 1000 core might give it another 4% performance boost.

In some games/applications it might, in others it might give higher, in others it might give lower.

And we all know a 5870 is about 15% slower then a gtx 480.
The overclocked gtx 470 was about 2% slower then a gtx 480.
That means your overclocked 5850 would have to be 13% faster then a 5870 to beat the overclocked gtx 470.

I was going to wait for your reply to see if you could follow the logical steps I just placed to reach the correct conclusion, but I'll just state it here to save time. The GTX480 is not 15% faster than a 5870 as a rule. It's 10-15% faster as an average, meaning that in some games/applications it's 25% faster than a 5870 and in some games/applications its 5% slower. In applications where an overclocked 5850 would near GTX 480 performance, the 5870 would be rather close too, and both would be much faster than a GTX 470, simply due to the application favoring the Cypress architecture. In the end, this all feeds back to my original comment saying there's not much differentiation in the high end. Again, if you have to look this hard to find a difference, is your money really well spent?

5850 overclocked to 960 core can't even beat a 5870 at 875 core. How can your 5850 overclocked to 900 get even close to a gtx 480.

proof
http://www.overclock.net/ati/705552-5850-vs-5870-comparison-benchmarks.html

That shows a 5850 at 950MHz besting a 5870 at 875MHz in four out of five tests, which actually is good evidence of what I just stated regarding fillrates and shading power between the two cards. If you're pointing to the Dirt 2 results, even at 875MHz, the 5870 still has more shader power and texture fillrate than the 5850 at 950MHz, which this game's performance could depend on heavily. Overall, you need to better understand the architecture of the cards you're discussing and not think in generalizations.

 

[happy medium]

This is common knowledge.
A 5850 overclocked to 960 core = 5870
A 5870 is at least 10/15% slower then a gtx 480.
I just showed you the overclocked gtx 470 is 2% slower then a gtx 480.

Conclusion?
A 5850 overclocked 960 core is 8/13% slower than a overclocked gtx 470 shown in the review. A overclocked 5850 is 10/15% slower then a gtx 480.

I'm done here, thank you

 

[busydude]

This is common knowledge.
A 5870 is at least 10/15% slower then a gtx 480.

Its not at least its slower by 15% on average. Mind you 5870 beats GTX 480 in some benches.

 

[happy medium]

Its not at least its slower by 15% on average. Mind you 5870 beats GTX 480 in some benches.

yea it does, mabe 2 games and by 2 or 3 fps. In some cases the gtx 480 wins by 35%.

This has nothing to do with our subject.

 

[Meghan54]

Since you completely abandoned the Nvidia conference call thread, happy medium, after your quote from above was made by you over the ridiculous video card sales by your "local computer store", I for one am waiting for the name of that computer store you frequent that you claim sold more video cards per day than Newegg.

But, of course you cannot answer this because, like most of what you post, it's pure Angus-grade bull.

 

[happy medium]

Since you completely abandoned the Nvidia conference call thread, happy medium, after your quote from above was made by you over the ridiculous video card sales by your "local computer store", I for one am waiting for the name of that computer store you frequent that you claim sold more video cards per day than Newegg.

But, of course you cannot answer this because, like most of what you post, it's pure Angus-grade bull.

Since you asked that way, NO
And this thread is not the place for it.
You want personal information from me, PM me I might answer.
I never said they sold more cards then Newegg. You fucking troll.

Whoa whoa whoa!!!!! Time to simmer down Happy Medium. No need for this language in here.
Please clean it up.
Anandtech Moderator - Keysplayr

 

[busydude]

yea it does, mabe 2 games and by 2 or 3 fps. In some cases the gtx 480 wins by 35%.

This has nothing to do with our subject.

I replied to your conclusions. That statement you made is technically incorrect.

 

[dug777]

Since you asked that way, NO
And this thread is not the place for it.
You want personal information from me, PM me I might answer.
I never said they sold more cards then Newegg. You fucking troll.

I can't see how language like that can ever be acceptable on here.

 

[happy medium]

I can't see how language like that can ever be acceptable on here.

Who asked you, and what does that have to do with the gtx 470 review?
24,000 posts and you never seen that language?

 

[Skurge]

This is common knowledge.
A 5850 overclocked to 960 core = 5870
A 5870 is at least 10/15% slower then a gtx 480.
I just showed you the overclocked gtx 470 is 2% slower then a gtx 480.

Conclusion?
A 5850 overclocked 960 core is 8/13% slower than a overclocked gtx 470 shown in the review. A overclocked 5850 is 10/15% slower then a gtx 480.

I'm done here, thank you

That review tested one game by the way, and it was COD 6. You can't conclude its 2% slower from a single, and a game that is not even that demanding.

As for a 5850 at 960 core = 5870, I have a few reviews that would disagree.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5850_toxic/7.htm
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-hd5850_5.html#sect4

 

[Grooveriding]

Why no 2560x1600 numbers, or multi-display resolutions ? With these gpu models in multi-gpu config, you are at overkill level at 1920x1200 for the most part and need a higher res to show any use out of the performance.

What difference is there when you show one setup at 120 and another at 140 at 1920x1200 ?

 

[Paratus]

Let's also not forget that those GTX 470's in SLI currently lose at every multi monitor resolution. At least until the drivers get updated. Luckily that will happen at the end of April.........

 

[Skurge]

Why no 2560x1600 numbers, or multi-display resolutions ? With these gpu models in multi-gpu config, you are at overkill level at 1920x1200 for the most part and need a higher res to show any use out of the performance.

What difference is there when you show one setup at 120 and another at 140 at 1920x1200 ?

You just reminded me of that review. This should end the debate http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...0999-nvidia-geforce-gtx-470-sli-review-3.html

 

[MagickMan]

This is common knowledge.
A 5850 overclocked to 960 core = 5870
A 5870 is at least 10/15% slower then a gtx 480.
I just showed you the overclocked gtx 470 is 2% slower then a gtx 480.

Conclusion?
A 5850 overclocked 960 core is 8/13% slower than a overclocked gtx 470 shown in the review. A overclocked 5850 is 10/15% slower then a gtx 480.

I'm done here, thank you

Now that's BS, my 5850 @923 core is dead even with a 5870, if not a little faster in some things. Now, considering mine will also run all day at 1050 @1.3v, well, I can kick 470 ass all over the place and give the 480 a slap too. Heh, for $295, that's a better bargain than the 470.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Sure, $100 less, but with an entry price of $700, there are going to be very few who care outside of die hard nVidia loyalists who decided to wait for whatever nVidia brought to the table, otherwise they'd likely already own a pair of 5870s.

Happy, you're trying too hard.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Now that's BS, my 5850 @923 core is dead even with a 5870, if not a little faster in some things. Now, considering mine will also run all day at 1050 @1.3v, well, I can kick 470 ass all over the place and give the 480 a slap too. Heh, for $295, that's a better bargain than the 470.

Well, you have to factor in the fact that GTX4x0 series seem to OC very well. Not to mention the fact that they scale with their overclocks unlike its counterparts. A GTX470 for instance could very well overclock to GTX480 performance levels.

An OCed HD5850 even at 1GHz does not slap a GTX480. It might equal in some games, but the 480 still pulls ahead.

It will also be interesting if the drop off performance from 19x12 to 25x16 res for nVIDIA card is a hardware limitation or driver limitation. Something that we will find out with future rel 256 drivers.

 

[3DVagabond]

Why no 2560x1600 numbers, or multi-display resolutions ? With these gpu models in multi-gpu config, you are at overkill level at 1920x1200 for the most part and need a higher res to show any use out of the performance.

What difference is there when you show one setup at 120 and another at 140 at 1920x1200 ?

We don't discuss that resolution. Not unless you crank the AA until the ATI cards exhaust their 1GB of memory.

 

[3DVagabond]

Why no 2560x1600 numbers, or multi-display resolutions ? With these gpu models in multi-gpu config, you are at overkill level at 1920x1200 for the most part and need a higher res to show any use out of the performance.

What difference is there when you show one setup at 120 and another at 140 at 1920x1200 ?

We don't discuss that resolution. Not unless you crank the AA until the ATI cards exhaust their 1GB of memory.

 

[Grooveriding]

We don't discuss that resolution. Not unless you crank the AA until the ATI cards exhaust their 1GB of memory.

Discuss away

 

[Kenmitch]

happy medium = confusion to me

On one hand he is Red in his sig....But seems to be pumping Green alot lately.

Not a personal attack against him. Just kinda makes a person wonder wtf

A person could find reasons to go either way these days. So far looking at all the benchmarks it seems like the 5850 is the best bang for buck card(s) still. Throw in a pair of them with some overclocking action and your all set to go. Most likely it's not gonna change untill the next battle.

 

[MrK6]

A person could find reasons to go either way these days. So far looking at all the benchmarks it seems like the 5850 is the best bang for buck card(s) still. Throw in a pair of them with some overclocking action and your all set to go. Most likely it's not gonna change untill the next battle.

Exactly.

 

[happy medium]

happy medium = confusion to me

On one hand he is Red in his sig....But seems to be pumping Green alot lately.

Not a personal attack against him. Just kinda makes a person wonder wtf

A person could find reasons to go either way these days. So far looking at all the benchmarks it seems like the 5850 is the best bang for buck card(s) still. Throw in a pair of them with some overclocking action and your all set to go. Most likely it's not gonna change untill the next battle.

To be honest, I post things of interest and the gtx line is just newer and more news worthy. We all know by now how 5850's/70's/5970's perform.
To me it's just more interesting and a little more fun to talk about.

Red ,green, purple, hot ,loud, I could care less, just give me a card with decent performance and price.

It's fun to play with the fanboys. Makes me giggle.

 

[Skurge]

It's fun to play with the fanboys. Makes me giggle.

So playing with yourself makes you giggle? :hmm:


Sorry dude, I couldn't resist.