GTX 460 vs old GTX 260 Core216?

[imaheadcase]

Is it worth the upgrade from my "old" GTX 260 core 216?
In % terms?

I play Bad Company 2, and Starcraft 2 currently at 1900x1200. They play ok, bad company 2 every now and then will get some slow downs but not really game breaking.

I could not find a review to compare the two so was on the fence about getting it.

Is the EVGA "super overlocked" ones worth it for $35 extra?

 

[crisium]

The GTX 460 1GB performs on par with the GTX 285. Would you upgrade from the GTX 260 to the GTX 285? It's the same deal here. I'm sure the 460 overclocks better than the 285 plus it has DX11, but from a performance standpoint it's not a massive gain. 20-25 percent performance increase at stock - and even more with OCing the 460.

 

[Anarchist420]

Here's a good way of figuring out which one does what you want better, part by part:
Memory (higher resolutions, higher res textures, and more AA requires more memory)
Pixel fill rate (number of ROPs x core clock= how fast the frame buffer is rendered. Memory and pixel fill rate correlate with AA, frame buffer precision, and frame buffer resolution)
Texel fillrate (number of TMUs x core clock=a GPU's texture performance)
Shaders (post processing, number of polygons/per second, physics performance. Not correlated to memory and ROPs, so more shader power won't gain you more performance with more AA, higher resolutions, or higher frame buffer precision)

Find out whether a game is fill rate limited, or if it's shader limited, and that knowledge combined with the above list will tell you what gpu is best for what game.

 

[toyota]

why do people, especially those with many years on here as such questions? you are not a noob and surely you don't need you hand held. just look at the reviews and make the decisions for yourself as to whether its worth it. personally I would say no its not worth it. your issue with BC 2 could be cpu and not gpu related since I had no noticeable slowdowns at all with my 192sp gtx260 in that game and averaged 40-50fps even during action.

 

[imaheadcase]

Does anyone know of a review that shows the GTX 285 vs the GTX 460 if that is comparable like you say?

Odd i can't find it :/

 

[Keysplayr]

guru3d.com has a SCII review that includes GTX260, 285, both 460s.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty-gpu-graphics-performance/8

With 4xAA at 19x12, the GTX460 768MB shows about a 50 percent advantage while the GTX460 1GB shows an 80 percent advantage over a GTX260 core 216.

Without AA at same res, GTX460 768MB shows a 19 percent advantage and the 1GB shows a 36 percent advantage over GTX260 core 216.

Having a bit of trouble finding direct comparison of Core216 vs GTX460 in BFBC2.
But I'm estimating that the Core 216 would fare a bit worse than a comparable 5770 in this game. And the 460s are far quicker than the 5770's.

 

[toyota]

Does anyone know of a review that shows the GTX 285 vs the GTX 460 if that is comparable like you say?

Odd i can't find it :/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_Cyclone_OC_1_GB/31.html
in this review a stock clocked gtx460 is on average 2 percent slower than a gtx485. again your cpu is going to matter too for games like BC 2.

 

[imaheadcase]

why do people, especially those with many years on here as such questions? you are not a noob and surely you don't need you hand held. just look at the reviews and make the decisions for yourself as to whether its worth it. personally I would say no its not worth it. your issue with BC 2 could be cpu and not gpu related since I had no noticeable slowdowns at all with my 192sp gtx260 in that game and averaged 40-50fps even during action.

Why do people with all the years on here still not actually read what people posted..

 

[toyota]

Why do people with all the years on here still not actually read what people posted..

I read exactly what you posted. what part of what you said should change my reply? again for the third time why don't you actually list you cpu because that's likely the issue with BC 2?

 

[imaheadcase]

guru3d.com has a SCII review that includes GTX260, 285, both 460s.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty-gpu-graphics-performance/8

With 4xAA at 19x12, the GTX460 768MB shows about a 50% advantage while the GTX460 1GB shows an 80% advantage over a GTX260 core 216.

Without AA at same res, GTX460 768MB shows a 19% advantage and the 1GB shows a 36% advantage over GTX260 core 216.

Ah thanks, just what i was looking for. thanks

 

[imaheadcase]

I read exactly what you posted. what part of what you said should change my reply? again for the third time why don't you actually list you cpu because that's likely the issue with BC 2?

Actually I did not ask about my CPU at all, I actually asked for reviews about the GPU compared. So would be a moot point.

 

[toyota]

Actually I did not ask about my CPU at all, I actually asked for reviews about the GPU compared. So would be a moot point.

can you actually read? you complained about BC 2 performance and I said that could be your cpu that is the problem because a gtx260 can handle that game just fine. I guess having a sig or actually listing what cpu that you have, especially after me asking 3 times, is too difficult for you though...

 

[Keysplayr]

can you actually read? you complained about BC 2 performance and I said that could be your cpu that is the problem because a gtx260 can handle that game just fine. I guess having a sig or actually listing what cpu that you have, especially after me asking 3 times, is too difficult for you though...

Go take a breather toyota. This is obviously upsetting you. You have your points, but there is a better time and place for them IMHO. I answered his question and he has the info he needs.

@imaheadcase, now that we have your initial questions out of the way, what are your system specs please.

If you have an Athlon64 or something, 35 dollars of difference is meaningless if you upgrade. This is what toyota was trying to get at in his own way.

 

[toyota]

Go take a breather toyota. This is obviously upsetting you. You have your points, but there is a better time and place for them IMHO.

better time and place? this is a thread about whether a gtx460 would be worth it. he specifically said BC 2 was not performing up to the task so I suggested he list his cpu because that could be the problem.

 

[Keysplayr]

better time and place? this is a thread about whether a gtx460 would be worth it. he specifically said BC 2 was not performing up to the task so I suggested he list his cpu because that could be the problem.

Which I just explained to him in a calm manner. Something you could try next time as well.
Better time and place means, AFTER his initial question was answered. You have a habit of going guns blazing into threads about CPU power. That's fine, but it isn't the be-all end-all of every GPU question. IMHO

 

[taltamir]

Actually I did not ask about my CPU at all, I actually asked for reviews about the GPU compared. So would be a moot point.

a moot point? If your CPU is holding you back then its the ONLY issue with that game. You said the game doesn't play well, and ask if GPU upgrade from GTX260 to GTX460 would solve it.
Can you imagine going to the doctor telling him you think you have diabetis, the doctor says "well, you don't have diabetes, you you might have cancer though!" and you respond with "well I didn't ask about cancer so that is a moot point! now how do I treat my diabetes! and don't tell me anything more about cancer, I didn't ask about it and I don't care about it!"

 

[Skurge]

The OP could just end this by listing his CPU.

 

[Keysplayr]

The OP could just end this by listing his CPU.

^ Seconded.

 

[happy medium]

^ Seconded.

+3
Something tells me Keys was right with the Athlon 64 comment.

 

[toyota]

+3
Something tells me Keys was right with the Athlon 64 comment.

well I looked through some of his other posts and I think he has a quad but I certainly don't know exactly which quad if he does. I just don't understand people like him. he cant even even look at benchmarks and draw his own conclusions and needs the help of others yet when asked a simple question he acts defensive.

 

[Anarchist420]

^ Seconded.

I need to PM you but I can't. Can you help me out?

 

[MyLeftNut]

a moot point? If your CPU is holding you back then its the ONLY issue with that game. You said the game doesn't play well, and ask if GPU upgrade from GTX260 to GTX460 would solve it.
Can you imagine going to the doctor telling him you think you have diabetis, the doctor says "well, you don't have diabetes, you you might have cancer though!" and you respond with "well I didn't ask about cancer so that is a moot point! now how do I treat my diabetes! and don't tell me anything more about cancer, I didn't ask about it and I don't care about it!"

+1
Just that CPU thing would go a long way in understanding the scope of the problem.

 

[tweakboy]

Theres a difference, but not enough IMO to go to 460. Stick with your card it can do 1920x1200 easy and smooth, you dont need AA and u put AF16x since its free since the x800 and 6800GT days.

 

[3DVagabond]

My general rule is, if you have a very good to excellent card you can skip a generation. For instance, if you had a 4870 or 260 then this gen can be skipped. Exception would be upgrading a monitor to a higher res model. If you changed from a 1080 res model to a 1600, then you might have a reason to upgrade sooner.

Add to that the teething pains for this generation cards, especially for nVidia, and you have even a more compelling reason to stand pat, IMO. Looking at the 460 shows me that nVidia might very well have some pretty nice cards in the pipeline. Not to offend any nVidia fans, but the 465/470/480 are really bad cards and the sooner they are EOL'd and replaced by new models, the better. As well balanced, in comparison, that the 5*** series cards are, they too have their warts. A bit lacking in performance with AA and/or tessellation. I think a bit choked in memory bandwidth, too. Not so much in stock config, but I think that could be affecting their O/C scaling.

As far as everyone falling all over themselves recommending the 460 goes, the only thing that makes it a good recommendation is fps/$. It's still too big and uses too much power for the performance it returns. It still has to be castrated to yield a marketable card. It still has to be down clocked to keep power usage in line. Nothing has been fixed from the original Fermis, yet.

 

[happy medium]

My general rule is, if you have a very good to excellent card you can skip a generation. For instance, if you had a 4870 or 260 then this gen can be skipped. Exception would be upgrading a monitor to a higher res model. If you changed from a 1080 res model to a 1600, then you might have a reason to upgrade sooner.

Add to that the teething pains for this generation cards, especially for nVidia, and you have even a more compelling reason to stand pat, IMO. Looking at the 460 shows me that nVidia might very well have some pretty nice cards in the pipeline. Not to offend any nVidia fans, but the 465/470/480 are really bad cards and the sooner they are EOL'd and replaced by new models, the better. As well balanced, in comparison, that the 5*** series cards are, they too have their warts. A bit lacking in performance with AA and/or tessellation. I think a bit choked in memory bandwidth, too. Not so much in stock config, but I think that could be affecting their O/C scaling.

As far as everyone falling all over themselves recommending the 460 goes, the only thing that makes it a good recommendation is fps/$. It's still too big and uses too much power for the performance it returns. It still has to be castrated to yield a marketable card. It still has to be down clocked to keep power usage in line. Nothing has been fixed from the original Fermis, yet.

And when most choose a card, this is the most important factor, unless you have a htpc box.