GTX 460 overlocks from 675 mhz to 830 mhz without a voltage bump - faster than GTX470

[RussianSensation]

If it peaks at 130W or less than that would be good.

That is hardly realistic. In that case, GF104 would have to be 1/2 of the GTX480 which peaks at 260W. Given the specs, it's going to be more than 50% of the GTX480, with texture fillrate exceeding that of the GTX470.

Given how much more complex the Fermi architecture is compared to Cypress, I doubt we'll see power consumption of 130W which is close to that of a 5850. GTX470 consumes 25% less power at load compared to GTX480. Therefore, it is logical to assume that the card will consume less than the GTX470 and 465.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-465_5.html#sect0

 

[SHAQ]

It isn't faster than a 470 just because it has a higher texture fillrate. It has >100 less cores and less memory bandwidth.

 

[Scali]

Given how much more complex the Fermi architecture is compared to Cypress

That's not necessarily an indication of power consumption though.
G92 was also considerably larger and more complex than the RV770. But still they had the better power consumption and performance.
Not that I expect Fermi to repeat that feat... but I do think that the smaller die will get much better than linear scaling in terms of power consumption compared to the current full-size Fermi.
I say this because I think it's a pretty safe assumption that at least part of Fermi's problems are caused by TSMC's underperforming 40 nm process. Smaller dies should give considerably better yields, so the architecture will get more room to flex its muscles.

 

[RussianSensation]

It isn't faster than a 470 just because it has a higher texture fillrate. It has >100 less cores and less memory bandwidth.

The 'faster than 470' comment applies to overclocked 830mhz speeds.

 

[happy medium]

That is hardly realistic. In that case, GF104 would have to be 1/2 of the GTX480 which peaks at 260W. Given the specs, it's going to be more than 50% of the GTX480, with texture fillrate exceeding that of the GTX470.

Given how much more complex the Fermi architecture is compared to Cypress, I doubt we'll see power consumption of 130W which is close to that of a 5850. GTX470 consumes 25% less power at load compared to GTX480. Therefore, it is logical to assume that the card will consume less than the GTX470 and 465.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-465_5.html#sect0

That chart you linked has a gtx 470 at 50 watts less then a gtx 285.?

I believe a 5850 uses around 151 watts, last I checked.
I would guess this gt 460 will use between 150 and 200 watts, which is fine for a card faster then a gtx 465. At least there headed in the right direction.

 

[cbn]

That chart you linked has a gtx 470 at 50 watts less then a gtx 285.?

I believe a 5850 uses around 151 watts, last I checked.
I would guess this gt 460 will use between 150 and 200 watts, which is fine for a card faster then a gtx 465. At least there headed in the right direction.

I would hope Nvidia would be around 150 watts for this part.

Meanwhile what is ATI doing with their Cypress core revision for Southern Islannds? It has been 8 months since they launched HD5870. Hopefully they are at the point where they can tweak the Cypress Core for more processor units and/or lower power consumption.

 

[happy medium]

I would hope Nvidia would be around 150 watts for this part.

Meanwhile what is ATI doing with their Cypress core revision for Southern Islannds? It has been 8 months since they launched HD5870. Hopefully they are at the point where they can tweak the Cypress Core for more processor units and/or lower power consumption.

release date is 1st Q 2011, last I heard.

 

[edplayer]

I'm hearing 150 watts and faster then a 200 watt gtx 465.
Just more rumers though.

Don't you guys use google?

150W may be good depending on whether its a TDP rating or actual use. I hope it has a low idle MHz/power use. I tested out a GT 240 for a friend and it idled at 135MHz. Feeling OK about holding off on the 5770. Hope this launches soon...

 

[edplayer]

release date is 1st Q 2011, last I heard.

I think they will sell their new cards before Nvidia does (nvidia high end). Likely soon (as in the next 3~4 months)

 

[happy medium]

I think they will sell their new cards before Nvidia does (nvidia high end). Likely soon (as in the next 3~4 months)

ATI is shipping there mid range first this time (like they did with the hd4770) sometime around Christmas, then there higher end to follow sometime in 1stQ 2011.

There was a thread about this a few weeks back.

 

[Sp12]

release date is 1st Q 2011, last I heard.

False, AMD's CEO has come out and said Q4 2010 at the latest. It COULD be out in october.

 

[happy medium]

False, AMD's CEO has come out and said Q4 2010 at the latest. It COULD be out in october.

Yea, like I said for the mid range. Higher end comming in 2011!

And I'd like to see that link,to see how old it is.

 

[Sp12]

Yea, like I said for the mid range. Higher end comming in 2011!

And I'd like to see that link,to see how old it is.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/...outhern_Islands_Graphics_Chips_This_Year.html

Jun 7th, 15 days old.

And I have not seen ANYTHING on them releasing the mid-range then, in fact, all I was able to find supported the initial release having the high-end SKUs.

 

[happy medium]

Read that article.

Earlier this year AMD’s chief executive already confirmed plans to refresh the lineup of ATI Radeon GPU's. with new offerings by the end of calendar 2010; on the other hand, the absence of members of Southern Islands family at Computex naturally leads to assumption that the new chips are not yet ready to be shown to the public. Chips that cannot be demonstrated in early June naturally do not come out during back-to-school (BTS) season, a crucial timeframe for computer makers and chipmakers.

Now this web site says they should be released in Autumn not winter. Not the CEO!

Quote:
"But according to a news-story published by Computer Base web-site, ATI has a clear intention to release its Southern Islands this year and sometimes in the autumn, not winter".

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/grafikkarten/ati/2010/juni/amd_southern_island_jahr/

Remember the CEO of many companies want to launch as as fast as possible.
Best case ,YOU might see them by Christmas season.

 

[happy medium]

False, AMD's CEO has come out and said Q4 2010 at the latest. It COULD be out in october.

Where does he say Q4 at the latest?

Edit: and what does this have to do with how the gtx460 overclocks?

Lets stay on topic.

 

[Lonyo]

I wonder if these will finally put downward pressure on the HD58xx cards.
Considering 9 months after launch they are still selling for over launch MSRP, maybe these will encourage AMD to drop prices. One would think it would be viable given the noise both companies have made about improved yields.

 

[Soleron]

Where does he say Q4 at the latest?

The last earnings call; he said that a full new generation of GPUs would come in the second half on this year.

Charlie is saying September-October. But that's S|A, so...

 

[happy medium]

The last earnings call; he said that a full new generation of GPUs would come in the second half on this year.

Charlie is saying September-October. But that's S|A, so...

No Charlie said BEST case with NO respins Sept 15, with one respin mid Nov, 2 spins like the original 58xx series needed end of year at best.

I read what he writes in the forums at semiaccurate.

And thats a guy who sleeps with ATI's CEO. SO thats all best case senerio.

 

[Sp12]

Read that article.

Earlier this year AMD’s chief executive already confirmed plans to refresh the lineup of ATI Radeon GPU's. with new offerings by the end of calendar 2010; on the other hand, the absence of members of Southern Islands family at Computex naturally leads to assumption that the new chips are not yet ready to be shown to the public. Chips that cannot be demonstrated in early June naturally do not come out during back-to-school (BTS) season, a crucial timeframe for computer makers and chipmakers.

Now this web site says they should be released in Autumn not winter. Not the CEO!

Quote:
"But according to a news-story published by Computer Base web-site, ATI has a clear intention to release its Southern Islands this year and sometimes in the autumn, not winter".

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/grafikkarten/ati/2010/juni/amd_southern_island_jahr/

Remember the CEO of many companies want to launch as as fast as possible.
Best case ,YOU might see them by Christmas season.

If it's clearly saying Autumn, how is that Christmas season, which is definitely winter. If both sources are in agreement for Autumn I don't see the issue.

And wtf with the let's stay on topic, you're the one who brought up the entire 'AMD cards are Q1 2011!" thing, which is blatantly not correct.

 

[tweakboy]

Very nice OC , you better of sitting tight until new cards come down and prices fall down too.

 

[tincart]

Its possible they are saving the gtx 485 512sp and the gtx475 with 384 sp for the release of the new ATI chips?

Who knows?.

Sit on inventory while it depreciates. Great idea.

 

[Lonyo]

Sit on inventory while it depreciates. Great idea.

If they are planning to release the 512SP part for $20 more than the 480 goes for now, then there's no depreciation.

 

[tincart]

If they are planning to release the 512SP part for $20 more than the 480 goes for now, then there's no depreciation.

What matters is the difference between what they could sell it for now and what they could sell it for in Q1 2011 when happy thinks the ATi high-end refresh is coming out.

I don't think a 512 SP part is coming out anyways.

 

[happy medium]

What matters is the difference between what they could sell it for now and what they could sell it for in Q1 2011 when happy thinks the ATi high-end refresh is coming out.

I don't think a 512 SP part is coming out anyways.

They dont need it.
They need the faster dual card to release, they have the fastest single gpu card.

A nice dual core card could be with this 336sp gf104 chip or just like the gtx 295,a full gf104 gtx 475 with 384 sp's x2 on a single card?

What Femi needs is a simple refresh to become much faster IMHO and less hot.

 

[tincart]

What they "need" is immaterial, what they can and will deliver to the market is the only important thing to consider. No news on refresh. No news on a dual-chip card yet.

Further, having the performance crown means very little - the reason you would want that crown is to make money. They need products with good margins and, despite the amount of FUD surrounding yields, the general consensus is that yields are low and manufacturing costs are high - not a good combination.