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gtx 450, gtx440, gtx430 spec leaks.

It's good there will finally be some competition in the midrange sector again. I'm tired of nothing to compare the 5770 to considering closest performing NV part, the 260 is like $200 or unavailable. Considering it looks like half of a 480 just like a 5770 looks like half of a 5870 the card has the potential to be great in SLI. CF 5770s could beat out a 5870 by a small amount in most tests, and supposedly SLI scales better with Fermi.
It'll be interesting to see though since I'm sure NV's method of tesselation is going to be much harder on these midrange cards while the dedicated hardware on the ATI cards actually gives CF 5770 a large advantage over a 5870.
 
I think they'll be slower than the GTX200s they replace, unless nVidia is able to fix their GDDR5 problems. The GTX470 already has less memory bandwidth than the GTX285 and the GTX480 only 10% more than the 285.

The prices look good though, the GTS440 could finally be a winner for nVidia if it can overclock well to match the GTS450 (much like the GeForce 4 Ti 4200 or 4400 hitting 4600 speeds), especially considering ATI doesn't really have a part at the $200 mark as of yet. The 5830 could be it, but that card is just too slow even for $200.
 
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speculated release date is Q3 2010 which is quite a while imo

thought Nvidia was going to rebadge their GTX 260+ line and call them GTX 3XX cards but I guess not
 
Udgnim said:
speculated release date is Q3 2010 which is quite a while imo
thought Nvidia was going to rebadge their GTX 260+ line and call them GTX 3XX cards but I guess not
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"So far, details aren't much at all but release should be scheduled for some time around June"

2/3 months? Yea, I can't wait that long.
 
happy medium said:
"So far, details aren't much at all but release should be scheduled for some time around June"

2/3 months? Yea, I can't wait that long.
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I base it on the opinion that the projected price slotting might not be so bad for GTX 430-450 right now, but in 2-3 months time, they could very well be out of place compared to AMD's offerings

edit: eh, wasn't sure if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.
 
I don't expect much from these lower range cards forthcoming...

Ati on the other hand needs to cut down the price of their one mainstream power card: 1 gb 5770, they need to cut this card's price to $100-$120 so a lot of users can end up buying these.

A few reasons:
Crossfiring 2 1 gb 5770 = performance of 1 5870
Crossfiring 3 1 gb 5770 = performance closer to 5870 crossfire
Crossfiring 4 1 gb 5770 = performance of 2 CF 5870

Think about it...it's a cheaper, quieter and a more power efficient option.

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Interested for a compteitor to the 5770 in the sub 200 dollar arena.

nVidia doesn't get a vote of confidence from me due to how they dealt with the Fermi release. Soft launch despite being delayed terribly, remember nVidia first mentioned a November then Christmas release of the thing.
 
Attic said:
Interested for a compteitor to the 5770 in the sub 200 dollar arena.

nVidia doesn't get a vote of confidence from me due to how they dealt with the Fermi release. Soft launch despite being delayed terribly, remember nVidia first mentioned a November then Christmas release of the thing.
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Yeah, try looking on your local Craigslist, ebay or even AT sales forum for some deals..If users can find two 1gb 5770s (not 512mb) at $200 that's a steal, even at $240 it's not bad. On the other hand if users can find a $200 5830, that's even better, get like 2 used 5830s for under $400 and oc them, the performance will be similar to 5850 CF.
 
Apocalypse23 said:
Yeah, try looking on your local Craigslist, ebay or even AT sales forum for some deals..If users can find two 1gb 5770s (not 512mb) at $200 that's a steal, even at $240 it's not bad. On the other hand if users can find a $200 5830, that's even better, get like 2 used 5830s for under $400 and oc them, the performance will be similar to 5850 CF.
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I'm mainly concerned for my HTPC rig, I have no option for xFire unfortunately. Main limit is the length of the card, needs to be ~8.5in, certinally no longer. I've got a 5770 in there now which is nice for 720p gaming, leaves some to be desired though, even at 720p while running Metro 2033 I can't use Very High or Tessaltion to get a steady 60fps. 5850 would be my performance target, but im gonna have to wait for shorter cards than can deliver that kind of performance.
 
Attic said:
I'm mainly concerned for my HTPC rig, I have no option for xFire unfortunately. Main limit is the length of the card, needs to be ~8.5in, certinally no longer. I've got a 5770 in there now which is nice for 720p gaming, leaves some to be desired though, even at 720p while running Metro 2033 I can't use Very High or Tessaltion to get a steady 60fps. 5850 would be my performance target, but im gonna have to wait for shorter cards than can deliver that kind of performance.
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Hmmm, yeah if your primary concern is the length of the card as well as sticking to a single card under or close to $200, then maybe wait for Nvidia's mid-range cards, I figure Metro will run better on Nvidia. Then again it's tough to say because your card length range is a max of 8.5 inches....there's nothing out there right now..
 
Apocalypse23 said:
I don't expect much from these lower range cards forthcoming...

Ati on the other hand needs to cut down the price of their one mainstream power card: 1 gb 5770, they need to cut this card's price to $100-$120 so a lot of users can end up buying these.

A few reasons:
Crossfiring 2 1 gb 5770 = performance of 1 5870
Crossfiring 3 1 gb 5770 = performance closer to 5870 crossfire
Crossfiring 4 1 gb 5770 = performance of 2 CF 5870

Think about it...it's a cheaper, quieter and a more power efficient option.

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You've explained why you WANT ati to cut the card's price, but you really haven't explained why they NEED to cut the card's price. In fact I think you kind of proved why they shouldn't. I agree that I want them to do the same, but if I were in there shoes I'd more likely raise the price.

The reasons for this is:
1. There is no competition in this price bracket at least until 430 launches which like 3 months or more away. The only cards it is competing against are old cards which are EOL making them unavailable or priced way beyond their performance level plus lack the features the 5xxx cards have (eyefinity, bitstream audio, dx11). Therefore there is no incentive to cut prices.

2. These cards in crossfire actually perform better than ATI's own cards that are over twice the price. 2 x 5770 >= 5870 in almost all games that support crossfire. Therefore lowering the price may actually cut into the sales of more profitable cards.

3. Pricing in this range is fairly insane. I've seen 5770s already for 130 while I've seen 5750s for 145 AVERAGE AT THE SAME TIME. Why would anyone buy the weaker card if the 5770 was cheaper?? Therefore raising prices would help sale of the 5750 as well by making it actually cheaper. 5750 is actually fine since it should be priced around the same as the GTS 250 as it has slightly higher performance than the Nvidia card.
 
happy medium said:
I was hoping for a gtx 460 with 384 sp's?
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That would be a harvested GF100. At around $300. Probably still requiring a massive PSU to run in SLI, which kills the value proposition of buying two of them. Not to mention everyone's favorite Fermi bashing targets: Heat, power, and noise.

IMO, the target audience for a low-end 4xx card isn't gamers, it's people who use GPU-enabled compute applications. Adobe CS5. Dolphin. vReveal for the movie enthusasts. Home users who buy desktops with them for the "OMG OVER 400" factor. That audience might prefer a more efficient GF104 over nVidia's man-machine flagship.
 
A mid-range card that performs as well as a 285 would be epic. 😎

After the severe disappointment that the 5830 was, I think these new cards are what a lot of people have been waiting for.
 
blanketyblank said:
You've explained why you WANT ati to cut the card's price, but you really haven't explained why they NEED to cut the card's price. In fact I think you kind of proved why they shouldn't. I agree that I want them to do the same, but if I were in there shoes I'd more likely raise the price.

The reasons for this is:
1. There is no competition in this price bracket at least until 430 launches which like 3 months or more away. The only cards it is competing against are old cards which are EOL making them unavailable or priced way beyond their performance level plus lack the features the 5xxx cards have (eyefinity, bitstream audio, dx11). Therefore there is no incentive to cut prices.

2. These cards in crossfire actually perform better than ATI's own cards that are over twice the price. 2 x 5770 >= 5870 in almost all games that support crossfire. Therefore lowering the price may actually cut into the sales of more profitable cards.

3. Pricing in this range is fairly insane. I've seen 5770s already for 130 while I've seen 5750s for 145 AVERAGE AT THE SAME TIME. Why would anyone buy the weaker card if the 5770 was cheaper?? Therefore raising prices would help sale of the 5750 as well by making it actually cheaper. 5750 is actually fine since it should be priced around the same as the GTS 250 as it has slightly higher performance than the Nvidia card.
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True..true, I should have rephrased my original post.
 
Apocalypse23 said:
Hmmm, yeah if your primary concern is the length of the card as well as sticking to a single card under or close to $200, then maybe wait for Nvidia's mid-range cards, I figure Metro will run better on Nvidia. Then again it's tough to say because your card length range is a max of 8.5 inches....there's nothing out there right now..
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I'm still lovin metro, but I got such a backlog of games to play now it's nuts. For my length requirment i'm not holding my breath for a better solution than the 5770 to come from nVidia.

That being said, I think the sub 200 dollar market will become interesting with the release of the midrange Fermi lineup. 5830 may get to <200 perhaps to fight what nvidia has to offer. 5830 didn't get great reviews, but I think with newer games it may grow it's lead over the 5770.
 
If the 440 is half a 480, does that mean it consumes only half the power?
That would put it around 5850/5870 territory.
 
The most interesting cards are the 450 and 440. The main reason is their TMU and ROP are very high and not cut, see what happened to the 5830, cut TMU/ROP leads to a crap card.

So with the same shader as the 285, but more efficient TMU and more ROP will end up being fairly faster, especially with 4xAA or more. I wager it may even be near the 5850 levels if they can clock it around 750mhz+. They should be able to given its a smaller die.
 
Wreckage said:
A mid-range card that performs as well as a 285 would be epic. 😎

After the severe disappointment that the 5830 was, I think these new cards are what a lot of people have been waiting for.
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They better be cus Nvidia still doesn't have anything that people have been waiting for. They're still waiting.
 
Good, maybe the 450 and 440 will push 5830 prices down. The thing is still way to overpriced compared to the performance advantage it has over the 5770.
 
deputc26 said:
5870 = 334mm^2, 460 = 320mm^2

Ouch.
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That's exactly what I was thinking.
Not to mention the fact that it's also a 256-bit memory bus.
OK so they can save some costs by going with slower memory but based on these leaked specs, these cards aren't going to be much cheaper to produce than the HD58xx cards.
 
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