GTX 285 or 295 ?

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: Kuzi

Originally posted by: Panthur
1680 x 1050 22"lcd. I usually play high end games, Crysis like you say, and so on....I build a new system every 36 months or so and usually go pretty high end on the components....more so than necessary usually
I have been pretty much an Nvidia supported....do you guys believe ATI is the way to go these days ??

I was going to say your best bet would be an HD5850 for the resolution you use, but since you build a system once every three years (I assume no upgrades during this time), then also consider the HD5870, and maybe a larger LCD, as BenSkywalker suggested.

Actually the lower res display makes sence for a 3 year gfx card purchase.

1 st year - overkill
2nd year - we're about right
3rd year - pushing it

Ofcourse i'm assuming the trend of development from the release of 8800GTX, and not taking into account crysis type games.

(OK I'll say the P word )

OP if you want PhysX 285GTX is the way to go. 295GTX is well and trully massive overkill for a 22" monitor

 

[Keysplayr]

Seconded on the larger res monitor.

 

[nOOky]

I'd say ATI 5850 and a bigger monitor. If you must have an nvidia card because you're a fanboy (nothing wrong with paying more for less performance if it makes you feel more comfortable) then spring for a GTX285.
The monitor is important because when you really think about it, it is the part of your computer that you spend 99% of the time looking at.

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

You mean that thing that little n keeps changing the rules for? One day it works and the next day little n turns it off, because they want to sell more high end cards or you bought something they don't like.

Sorry little n can keep that the P-word. ( no referral here )

 

[nicnas]

Get the 5850 as others advise you ...

Humm, let's just answer your question
The GTX295 is more expensive, more power hungry and makes more noise than the GTX285 and is SLI driver-optimizations dependant (if the game isn't SLI optimized, GTX285 may run faster). On your display resolution you will barely feel the difference between the two. So get a GTX285!

 

[Panthur]

Thanks everyone for your info/suggestions....pretty sure I will opt for the 5870 and it may soon be time to upgrade the 22" Samsung monitor soon.............thanks again.

 

[Panthur]

I think it will be the 5870.....may upgrade 22" samsung in the next while anyways....thabks all for your help.

 

[Panthur]

Thanks everyone.....the 5870 it will be...22" Samsung will be updated sometime anyway

 

[Forumpanda]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
When you are talking about GTX295 level costs paired with a 16x10 display.... it's just all wrong. Step up to at least a 19x10 panel and pair that with a 5850 and you will have an overall significantly greater end experience.

QFT

 

[Cogman]

Right now, AMD has price, performance, and power on their side. The only thing they don't have is the P-word and the C-Word. Both minor things if you have a Q word (Quad core processor)

I currently have a 9600GT, but if I were to upgrade now, I would definitely go AMD right now. nVidia had the crown, but they did what AMD did during the Pre-Conroe days, they sat on their duffs releasing Video cards that were only slightly better then the previous generations.

Companies, if you have the crown, don't cut R&D right away, dump money into R&D until you have a product that is significantly better to launch then what you currently offer, THEN you can sit on your duff and wait for the competition to catch up.

 

[Compddd]

Panther you made a fine choice in choosing the 5870. You will not be disappointed

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

You mean that thing that little n keeps changing the rules for? One day it works and the next day little n turns it off, because they want to sell more high end cards or you bought something they don't like.

Sorry little n can keep that the P-word. ( no referral here )

The very same. Run with it.

 

[Compddd]

Good honest men can not in good faith defend dis-honest companies.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

The interesting thing is that this post could be from a year old thread when people were trying to decide between the GTX260/GTX280 or a 4870 and between a 4850 vs 9800GTX+.

And some (most?) people are still ranking price/performance and higher DX support higher - and this time it is DX11 and not DX10.1.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Those words play no role in a buying decision, not yet and probably never will. Nobody mentioned the ATI Eyefinity word either, did they?

For some people they do play a role in a buying decision, however it is up to the individual to make that decision. It is just as unfair to say "you absolutely need XYZ feature" as it is to say "you absolutely do NOT need XYZ feature."

Now, in regards to Panthur's query, the C-word might be of use based on his descriptions, while the P-word and Eyefinity might not matter. It also may not matter that the C-word may be dropped in the next couple of years for more open standards as Panthur has stated a 3 year life cycle, so it isn't as if he will be stuck with it for a decade.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
If I were you, I'd scale the graphics card money way back and get yourself a larger monitor.

That's actually what I would do as well. At home I run 1920x1200 resolution on my main rig and can't see myself ever going back to 1680x1050 resolution. If there is budget for a $470 GTX 295, then there should be budget for a $250 GTX 285 (or whatever card of choice) coupled with a $220 24" monitor.

Originally posted by: Cogman
nVidia had the crown, but they did what AMD did during the Pre-Conroe days, they sat on their duffs releasing Video cards that were only slightly better then the previous generations.

Do you really think Nvidia engineers twiddled their thumbs since the GTX 280 was released, and then pulled an all-nighter last month to whip up the forthcoming GT300 (or whatever) cards?

There was an interview I read years ago. I think it was with the CEO that Hector Ruiz replaced. Anyways, he said that the groundwork for a new processor design is done years before the processor ever sees the light of day and it is a gamble that the engineering decisions made will pay off in the future running applications that do not yet exist.

ATI's gamble is paying off so far this year, but Nvidia has yet to show their hand. Pretty exciting stuff for us enthusiasts.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

Marketing?

LoL, good Lord could you imagine if I had said the wpords? No, it's not marketing. More like an ample opportunity for some members to show their fairness. I'm leaving it up to them. Let's see how they do.

When you would recommend a slower (285), less efficient or dual GPU slightly faster, but even more less efficient DX10 card over a faster, more efficient DX11 card just based on PhysX then it's marketing at it's best!
Especially when he said he upgrades every 3 years.
Shame on you.

 

[Compddd]

but dude, it's PhysX! Come on!

 

[v8envy]

PhysX will be irrelevant before a 5870 is obsolete. The lock-in games NV started playing have seen to that.

DX11 is not going away, however. Neither is OpenCL. PhysX and CUDA are not long for this world and will follow glide into being footnotes on wikipedia before you know it.

It's a clear choice, and the OP made the right one. Best performing single card (might get even faster as drivers mature), DX11, power efficiency are all FAR more important than a proprietary extension used only in a small handful of lesser known titles for fluff and ONE artificially locked down A-list game (hackable to see the content on an ATI card anyway).

You can always add a second one later if you wish to experience the pain of multi-GPU firsthand.

 

[Panthur]

I agree....I know its overkill but I will likely go for the 5870.....should be good for 3 years before specing the next system out. And yes, my 22" lcd is likely the next thing I would upgrade down the road....thanks to everyone for your help.

 

[Wreckage]

The GTX295 is still the fastest card on the market and it supports PhysX, which is starting to become almost a must have feature.

Newegg does not look to have any 5870s in stock and only 1 5850.

At your rez you can pick up a GTX260 for around $150 that will play all games well and give you the benefits of PhysX\CUDA\broader AA support\etc.

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
The GTX295 is still the fastest card on the market and it supports PhysX, which is starting to become almost a must have feature.

Newegg does not look to have any 5870s in stock and only 1 5850.

At your rez you can pick up a GTX260 for around $150 that will play all games well and give you the benefits of PhysX\CUDA\broader AA support\etc.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Good one.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Newegg does not look to have any 5870s in stock and only 1 5850.

Of course not!

They are that good!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

Marketing?

LoL, good Lord could you imagine if I had said the wpords? No, it's not marketing. More like an ample opportunity for some members to show their fairness. I'm leaving it up to them. Let's see how they do.

When you would recommend a slower (285), less efficient or dual GPU slightly faster, but even more less efficient DX10 card over a faster, more efficient DX11 card just based on PhysX then it's marketing at it's best!
Especially when he said he upgrades every 3 years.
Shame on you.

Janoo, if you had bothered, or cared, to look you would have surely seen that I have not recommended anything at all. All I asked for was for the OP to be fully informed. I gave no nod to 285 nor 295 nor 58xx. Nothing. I did however second the suggestion that the OP invest in a larger monitor. So, yes. Shame on me.
Janoo, this is the perfect opportunity for you to explain the P-word in an unbiased fashion. Do you think you could do that? I highly doubt it. But I would like to see it happen. And I'm sure the OP would appreciate it.
Go back and view the posts in this thread after I asked them to explain all options to the OP. They didn't do it. They won't do it. Marc's post will go down in infamy. Sig worthy.
Looks like the OP made a good choice, but not a completely informed one. So, shame on you. :thumbsup:

 

[v8envy]

And that 260 would not support DX11.

Wreckage, I'd love for you to state that the "starting to almost become" feature of PhysX will be more important than DirectCompute and DX11 support in 2 years, never mind 3. That way I could taunt you mercilessly when PhysX is long forgotten and the 200 series NV owners are all upgrading because their hardware can't play new titles.

Anyone remember SM2.0 -> 3.0 fun? People were tossing X800s to sidegrade to a 6800 in order to play Oblivion. This is a repeat, but the other way around.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: v8envy


Wreckage, I'd love for you to state that the "starting to almost become" feature of PhysX will be more important than DirectCompute and DX11 support in 2 years, never mind 3. That way I could taunt you mercilessly when PhysX is long forgotten and the 200 series NV owners are all upgrading because their hardware can't play new titles.

So you are saying something that may or may not be important 2 or 3 years from now, is a priority over something that is important right now.