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It's called desperation and hope. I mean, wouldn't you be upset/distraught if the company you pumped your (pitiful excuse for a) life into suddenly went down the tubes or went in a different direction and left you in the dust? I don't know, I'm not a loser, maybe someone else can explain the psychology and (lack of) reasoning behind this.
 
Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Lol, the thread is pathetic, but some of the ati fanbois are equally as pathetic.
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Indeed.


I think anyone who isnt a blind ATi fanboi expects G300 to be faster than a spec-doubled 4870 (5870), but I wouldnt put any stock into that Youtube video.

Hell, it could even be made by an ATi fan in order to try and hype G300 as 2X5870, so anything less than that would be a disappointment on launch day.
 
Originally posted by: MrK6
It's called desperation and hope. I mean, wouldn't you be upset/distraught if the company you pumped your (pitiful excuse for a) life into suddenly went down the tubes or went in a different direction and left you in the dust? I don't know, I'm not a loser, maybe someone else can explain the psychology and (lack of) reasoning behind this.
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It's a little harsh to say that ATI is going down the tubes, but I do get what you are saying about their fans.
 
Originally posted by: T2k
When someone thinks these benchmarks numbers are plausible while there is no card in existence I rest my case. 😀
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So, basically if someone disagrees with you they must be biased or wrong? I also like how your posts are written in such a way to imply that it's clearly obvious how correct you are. If you're going to disagree with people, why not consider engaging into some sort of debate instead of just labeling people? Btw, adding a smiley to personal attacks doesn't really make them any better.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure some sort of next generation card exists internally at NVIDIA, and they are benchmarking it against their competition. While I obviously cannot verify the benchmarks or would I place too much weight into them, I think it's plausible that in some specific situations NV's upcoming card will perform significantly better than the 5870.

 
Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
1680x1050 benchmarks + one 6 pin connector + quad SLI GTX295 speed in game, but slower in vantage = FAKE
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Yup.

I normally stay out of these battles but I'm in the 'Shens' catagory on this one.




 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: MrK6
It's called desperation and hope. I mean, wouldn't you be upset/distraught if the company you pumped your (pitiful excuse for a) life into suddenly went down the tubes or went in a different direction and left you in the dust? I don't know, I'm not a loser, maybe someone else can explain the psychology and (lack of) reasoning behind this.
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It's a little harsh to say that ATI is going down the tubes, but I do get what you are saying about their fans.
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Another Wreckage gem! Rollo will be dethroned soon at this pace

Nice try at twisting MrK6's statement, but he was obviously talking about Nvidia... But of course you know that, you just live in denial
 
I still don't get why everyone just assumes that gt300 > 5870. If nvidia could produce a card, even a highly flawed one, TODAY that was even 1% faster than 5870 then it would already be on store shelves. I don't know WHAT the problem is, and I certainly hope that gt300 ends up being much faster and starting another price and performance battle, but I know that there IS a problem. Possibly more than 1. Nvidia needs to get their shit together soon if they don't want to end up in a hole like ati was a few years ago.
 
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I still don't get why everyone just assumes that gt300 > 5870. If nvidia could produce a card, even a highly flawed one, TODAY that was even 1% faster than 5870 then it would already be on store shelves. I don't know WHAT the problem is, and I certainly hope that gt300 ends up being much faster and starting another price and performance battle, but I know that there IS a problem. Possibly more than 1. Nvidia needs to get their shit together soon if they don't want to end up in a hole like ati was a few years ago.
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Now that you mention it, they(nv) were ultra conservative with recent launches. Making newer cards on current node before shrinking them. Could it be that nV was too aggressive and moved node and changed design at the same time. Both of which would lead to separate problems that added up would cause significant delays.
 
I still don't get why everyone just assumes that gt300 > 5870. If nvidia could produce a card, even a highly flawed one, TODAY that was even 1% faster than 5870 then it would already be on store shelves.
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Isn't the GTX295 already on store shelves? Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not at least 1% faster then the 5870 overall?

nVidia has their own internal design goals to hit with the GT300. What ATi does will influence price points and model designation, but the odds of them abandoning a design that was years in the making because they could ship something lesser that would edge out the competition by small margins in benchmarks doesn't make for a sound long term approach. Better they deal with getting the design as intended and then figuring out where to position the card. Obviously their goal is faster then 5870 for single GPU comparisons, but they are also well aware of the fact that ATi is going to counter with a x2. Given the complexity and yield issues they are currently dealing with, not likely that they are going to be able to quickly push out a counter to that. Better for them to get their ducks in a row before coming out.

A late GPU is late until it ships. A bad GPU is bad forever.

Could it be that nV was too aggressive and moved node and changed design at the same time.
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nV has been fabbing 40nm parts for a while now, they have just been shipping them to OEMs instead of retail channels(although they are showing up now). I think they pushed it a bit too close though, they should have let 40nm mature a bit more(TSMC being a bit behind was an issue there)- tick tock doesn't work out that great if you only get ~a month between the process move and the architecture swap.
 
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Lol, the thread is pathetic, but some of the ati fanbois are equally as pathetic.
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Indeed.


I think anyone who isnt a blind ATi fanboi expects G300 to be faster than a spec-doubled 4870 (5870), but I wouldnt put any stock into that Youtube video.

Hell, it could even be made by an ATi fan in order to try and hype G300 as 2X5870, so anything less than that would be a disappointment on launch day.
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Almost everybody here is expecting GTX380 or w/e to be faster than 5870, similar to how 4870/GTX280 turned out. Don't assume everyone in this thread is just a fanboi for calling this spade a spade (the vid is pretty blatantly fake)
 
Silly Fanbois, you're World crash June '10

Leaked Factory result

CryEnjun 3
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16xAA 2560x1600 Highest Quality
Min Av Max
ATI 5870 15.7 35 62.3
Nvidia(Fermi) 17.4 38.6 72.2
VIA(Stealth Juggernaut) 35.1 64.3 124.5

Haha, pwnt
 
Originally posted by: yh125d
Almost everybody here is expecting GTX380 or w/e to be faster than 5870, similar to how 4870/GTX280 turned out. Don't assume everyone in this thread is just a fanboi for calling this spade a spade (the vid is pretty blatantly fake)
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This.
 
Originally posted by: nemesismk2

I am sure that the GT300 is going to be very fast but that youtube video is rubbish. 🙁
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Oh I agree. It's just amazing how upset some people are getting over this.

Charlie posts stuff that makes this video look like gold.

The irony and the hypocrisy is so thick it's almost sad.

I have a feeling that these benchmarks could be accurate or close and that when the GT300 is released some people will go into mourning for their lost soul.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: nemesismk2

I am sure that the GT300 is going to be very fast but that youtube video is rubbish. 🙁
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Oh I agree. It's just amazing how upset some people are getting over this.

Charlie posts stuff that makes this video look like gold.

The irony and the hypocrisy is so thick it's almost sad.

I have a feeling that these benchmarks could be accurate or close and that when the GT300 is released some people will go into mourning for their lost soul.
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Given that your one of the people that whinge about those 'Charlie posts' and you started this thread I have a feeling you don't care about hypocrisy.

Of course, the other option is your just trolling. :roll:
 
if the gtx 295 was good enough, why are nv fans looking at these benches at all... if its the fastest card then why care who's the fastest single if it doesnt matter and games dont need it...
thats what i've read. they dont need to upgrade to a faster gpu because no games need it. besides competition of another card seems to be another motive. so why cling so hard to who's faster if you just want competition.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: nemesismk2

I am sure that the GT300 is going to be very fast but that youtube video is rubbish. 🙁
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Oh I agree. It's just amazing how upset some people are getting over this.

Charlie posts stuff that makes this video look like gold.

The irony and the hypocrisy is so thick it's almost sad.

I have a feeling that these benchmarks could be accurate or close and that when the GT300 is released some people will go into mourning for their lost soul.
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People here dont get upset about some crappy youtube video.

They get frustrated with your constant abuse of such videos (and other info), linking them in a thread with a topic title that makes them out to be factual. Then getting your knickers in a twist when members of this forum have a go at your (non-existant?) reputation.

No one with half a brain, will be upset if/when NV come out with competative next gen products. Your the only person who seems hell bent on there only being one name in the GPU world. As an inpartial consumer and gaming enthusiast this would be terrible.
 
Even if GT300 is faster than any ATI card ever made, including 5870 X2, unless they have low- to mid-range cards under $300 that can compete or best ATI soon, then having 1 sole fastest card is meaningless. Right now GTX 295 is faster than 5870 but for $500 a piece, no one cares. What NV needs is not only a fast performing card, but one that can scale well to lower price levels, still be performance competitive and cost effective to manufacture relative to ATI!
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Even if GT300 is faster than any ATI card ever made, including 5870 X2, unless they have low- to mid-range cards under $300 that can compete or best ATI soon, then having 1 sole fastest card is meaningless. Right now GTX 295 is faster than 5870 but for $500 a piece, no one cares. What NV needs is not only a fast performing card, but one that can scale well to lower price levels, still be performance competitive and cost effective to manufacture relative to ATI!
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Presumably NV knew well enough to factor all this into their post-GT200b plans, I think this much we can safely assume they are fully capable of doing.

Performance target-wise, I can't imagine an easier thing for NV to have assumed AMD would do with their Cypress-gen chip other than to just assume at a minimum it would be a 2xRV770 performance-level for the single-GPU product (and doubled-up again for the comparable X2 SKU).

So again I think that while we don't know what the performance target was for Fermi during the past years I don't see their internal competitive assessment efforts as being surprised by what AMD fielded this fall, which would imply that Fermi's designed performance target is probably not going to be a surprise (to the downside) either.

Does any one here really think NV designed Fermi in a vacuum to the considerations that it either needs to be harvestable for cut-down SKU's or that there was a parallel Fermi Jr chip developed alongside it that natively has fewer SP's just as Cypress vs. Juniper was done? These guys are pros, we are just armchair analysts here, piss-poor ones at that I might add.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: nemesismk2

I am sure that the GT300 is going to be very fast but that youtube video is rubbish. 🙁
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Oh I agree. It's just amazing how upset some people are getting over this.

Charlie posts stuff that makes this video look like gold.

The irony and the hypocrisy is so thick it's almost sad.

I have a feeling that these benchmarks could be accurate or close and that when the GT300 is released some people will go into mourning for their lost soul.
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If you agree why did you post this thread at all?
And people aren't getting upset because of the video. They're getting upset because of you being a constant fanboy.

I'd say that there's a bigger chance that if these benches are accurate you'll start dancing and throw a party than the chance that people will mourn for their lost soul.
 
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