GT240 vs GT430 vs GTS450 vs HD5670

[Cerb]

Sorry to burst your bubble but some of the x2 quads can stomp on alot of versions of i5 it depends on what type of i5 processor you have they are not all the same just because you got an i5 don't mean you automatically beat an x2.

Where do they do any stomping? Occasionally being 10-20% faster with one for two filters, but then being that much slower, often more, at 90+% of everything else, is hardly stomping. Not having a good video card, however, would have been a bummer for games, and a poor performing video card (or just IGP) would have been the trade-off for the Intel's higher cost. I would kind of hope that the OP would not be going to get a i5 650, if looking at going Intel.

 

[timma]

5670>GTS 450
but you can buy new 6670 OC from Gigabyte
http://www.gigabyte.com.gr/products/page/vga/gv-r667oc-1gi/

 

[nonameo]

5670>GTS 450
but you can buy new 6670 OC from Gigabyte
http://www.gigabyte.com.gr/products/page/vga/gv-r667oc-1gi/

huh? you sure? I always thought the 450~~5750.

 

[notty22]

huh? you sure? I always thought the 450~~5750.

Agreed.
a 6670 is quite slower than a gts 450.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6670/22.html

 

[papayrus]

Where do they do any stomping? Occasionally being 10-20% faster with one for two filters, but then being that much slower, often more, at 90+% of everything else, is hardly stomping. Not having a good video card, however, would have been a bummer for games, and a poor performing video card (or just IGP) would have been the trade-off for the Intel's higher cost. I would kind of hope that the OP would not be going to get a i5 650, if looking at going Intel.

They do stomping here
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
there is alot of Phenom 2 and Athlon 2 that more than double the power of alot of the i5 processors. One or two filters? 90+%? Sorry man but you are looking at what proof of this and what Phenoms and Athlons compared to what i5?

 

[Cerb]

They do stomping here
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
there is alot of Phenom 2 and Athlon 2 that more than double the power of alot of the i5 processors. One or two filters? 90+%? Sorry man but you are looking at what proof of this and what Phenoms and Athlons compared to what i5?

Your own link doesn't even back you up. It has a 2500 above the fastest X6, and a 750 above the fastest X4, and neither CPU would have given the OP enough $ left for a video card, moving up from a AII X4. A little cheaper than Intel, total, but not by much, and there is much performance sacrificed when only 1-2 threads are used. The i5 6xx are the only ones that lose to AMD, primarily because they are i5s for big vendor marketing purposes. It should be assumed, in a computer HW forum, that you already know not to buy those (for that matter, you should know not to buy any new 1156 anything). Saying "Intel" pretty much implied a real quad core i5, as that's what it would take to be worth spending the $ over AMD's offerings. Right this second, a SB i3 wouldn't be shabby for a gaming box, but IIRC, three months ago, availability of them wasn't what it is, today, and a Phenom II X4 could still be competitive against them in multithreaded scenarios.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=102
Back here, Intel stomps the Phenom II in almost everything. Move to an X6, and it'll gain a couple wins, but still mostly lose, and again, not leave money leftover for a video card worth using for games.

 

[papayrus]

Your own link doesn't even back you up. It has a 2500 above the fastest X6, and a 750 above the fastest X4, and neither CPU would have given the OP enough $ left for a video card, moving up from a AII X4. A little cheaper than Intel, total, but not by much, and there is much performance sacrificed when only 1-2 threads are used. The i5 6xx are the only ones that lose to AMD, primarily because they are i5s for big vendor marketing purposes. It should be assumed, in a computer HW forum, that you already know not to buy those (for that matter, you should know not to buy any new 1156 anything). Saying "Intel" pretty much implied a real quad core i5, as that's what it would take to be worth spending the $ over AMD's offerings. Right this second, a SB i3 wouldn't be shabby for a gaming box, but IIRC, three months ago, availability of them wasn't what it is, today, and a Phenom II X4 could still be competitive against them in multithreaded scenarios.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=102
Back here, Intel stomps the Phenom II in almost everything. Move to an X6, and it'll gain a couple wins, but still mostly lose, and again, not leave money leftover for a video card worth using for games.

Thats true if you get that i5 but the statement made sounded like any i5 will beat any phenom or athlon no matter what. If you make people think that they might get a lower end i5 without knowing that not all i5's are that good.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Saying "Intel" pretty much implied a real quad core i5, as that's what it would take to be worth spending the $ over AMD's offerings.

Maybe that's implied, but that was not what he was specifically addressing:

Sorry to burst your bubble but some of the x2 quads can stomp on alot of versions of i5 it depends on what type of i5 processor you have they are not all the same just because you got an i5 don't mean you automatically beat an x2.

Everything else you (Cerb) said in that post is arguing a point he (papayrus) wasn't contesting. So the issue you seem to be butting heads on is whether or not "i5" implies a quad core? He was specific in saying not all i5s are the same, as there are dual core and quad core versions (and now Sandy Bridge version). So I don't see why there's a need to butt heads when he set up the parameters by which he justifies his statement, and you actually agree with those parameters.

edit: Defined the pronouns.

 

[papayrus]

Maybe that's implied, but that was not what he was specifically addressing:



Everything else you said in that post is arguing a point he wasn't contesting. So the issue you seem to be butting heads on is whether or not "i5" implies a quad core? He was specific in saying not all i5s are the same, as there are dual core and quad core versions (and now Sandy Bridge version). So I don't see why there's a need to butt heads when he set up the parameters by which he justifies his statement, and you actually agree with those parameters.

Dude what are you talking about? Nowhere in his original statement did he say not all i5's are the same or anything about a sandy bridge.

Then choose on games, because even AMD IGP will be able to get you by using PS. For PS/Illustrator, you'd be better off with IGP or a cheap card, and a Core i5, than with a Phenom II and a $150 gamer video card (once you're up to the i5 level, then maybe a video card could be valuable, v. spending more on a CPU). But games would look like crap, and some would barely even work. Based on your prices, I think the 450 is the best value (unless you can get a 460 768MB w/ MIR), even a stock one. The Asus one mentioned has a nice cooler, too, should you want to OC.

Look dude point is get the 450 geforce but dont just tell people i5 rules over phenom and thats it. I would not just assume that because they found this site on a google search that they know that already.

I just read his statement again and I misunderstood it a little it's not as bad as I thought but still same thing if you get an i5 don't get the wrong one.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

My entire post was addressed to Cerb, not to you. You made your point clearly enough, and Cerb pretty much agreed with it, except for he assumes i5 implies quad core and you do not make that assumption. And that is where you two are disagreeing, for the most part, and he's catalyzing it.

 

[papayrus]

My entire post was addressed to Cerb, not to you. You made your point clearly enough, and Cerb pretty much agreed with it, except for he assumes i5 implies quad core and you do not make that assumption. And that is where you two are disagreeing, for the most part, and he's catalyzing it.

I actually have a core 2 quad and an i7 but I also have a tricore 440 and it rocks I unlocked its forth core and it rocks more so for the price its a fine computer for gaming especially if you can unlock it. The tricore is mean for the price but I dont know yet how its gonna handle Battlefeild 3 will be interresting to find out.