GT200 will get a 40nm DX 10.1 refresh

[Hauk]

From Fud, but surprising news if accurate..

"Nvidia's GT200 generation will get a 40nm refresh, and from what we hear, the new chips will all become DirectX 10.1 compatible.

This comes a few years too late as ATI has introduced its first DirectX 10.1 capable chips in the summer of 2007, but knowing Nvidia, they will be able to convince the market that DirectX 10.1 time is just happening. Nvidia will also preach that it will take a while until DirectX 11 hits off and they are probably right about that one.

We've heard GT210 and GT220 brands associated with the new products, but there is not much we can confirm at press time.

This refresh should be coming in end of summer or early September time and naturally, 40nm means higher clocks and less thermal dissipation." source

 

[imported_Shaq]

These might be able to use a single slot cooler. A 260 would probably only use 110-120 watts or so at 40nm. Through the process of manufacturing these TSMC could iron out problems with its 40nm tech as they are far more complex than the 4770, which could then help yields on the G300. Also Nvidia will get to increase its profit margin as these will be cheaper to produce than the current 55nm versions. Hopefully G300 will still be on track for late Oct./early Nov.

I would doubt that a new high end part would be produced unless G300 really were to be delayed until next year.

 

[BFG10K]

It doesn?t make sense that nVidia would be pushing to release a high-end DX10.1 part so hard, unless their DX11 part is a very long way away.

 

[nemesismk2]

I agree it doesn't make sense to push DX 10.1 when Windows 7 (which has DX 11) is so close to release so Nvidia must be a long way from DX11.

I personally would prefer to see ATI and Nvidia releasing DX11 video cards because that would make them keep their prices down.

 

[Kakkoii]

Uhh, I was under the impression that these 40nm "refreshes" are going to be mobile chips, not cards...

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14221/34/

But It makes sense for them to move the GT200 to 40nm to increase the amount they can fit on a wafer. And thus lower the price for the GT200 series, giving headroom for the upcoming GT300's.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
It doesn?t make sense that nVidia would be pushing to release a high-end DX10.1 part so hard, unless their DX11 part is a very long way away.

Unless these 10.1 cards will be the next gen value segment.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: BFG10K
It doesn?t make sense that nVidia would be pushing to release a high-end DX10.1 part so hard, unless their DX11 part is a very long way away.

Unless these 10.1 cards will be the next gen value segment.

that is the only thing that makes sense

- DX10.1 for the midrange - DX11 for the high end
--- no doubt Nvidia wants to perfect 40 nm with the value segment first

 

[Blazer7]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: BFG10K
It doesn?t make sense that nVidia would be pushing to release a high-end DX10.1 part so hard, unless their DX11 part is a very long way away.

Unless these 10.1 cards will be the next gen value segment.

that is the only thing that makes sense

- DX10.1 for the midrange - DX11 for the high end
--- no doubt Nvidia wants to perfect 40 nm with the value segment first

This does not make any sense at all. ATI DX10.1 midrange parts will still be cheaper and ATI will have midrange parts with DX11 for sure so why go for an nV part instead?

 

[Wreckage]

If ATI is just relabeling their DX10 cards as DX11. These new 200s could perform just as well.

There won't be any DX11 games for a long time.

 

[Blazer7]

That's true about DX11 titles and we are not gonna see any midrange DX11 parts for the coming months also but this does not answer the question. Why go for an nV DX10.1 part when ATI's offerings will be cheaper? After all nV's position towards DX10.1 was that it's nothing of significance to be bothered with.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Blazer7

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: BFG10K
It doesn?t make sense that nVidia would be pushing to release a high-end DX10.1 part so hard, unless their DX11 part is a very long way away.

Unless these 10.1 cards will be the next gen value segment.

that is the only thing that makes sense

- DX10.1 for the midrange - DX11 for the high end
--- no doubt Nvidia wants to perfect 40 nm with the value segment first

This does not make any sense at all. ATI DX10.1 midrange parts will still be cheaper and ATI will have midrange parts with DX11 for sure so why go for an nV part instead?

how do you know they will be cheaper ?

- Nvidia is on a die shrink - they just "added" DX10.1 to the value segment

i would much rather test my midrange at 40 nm than my high end cards

there will be no DX11 games this year

 

[Blazer7]

ATI has already a 40nm part out there so they are ahead of nV in terms of 40nm parts for now. And no, ATI is the one that has added DX10.1 to the value segment.

 

[s44]

Originally posted by: Blazer7
ATI has already a 40nm part out there

Technically true. In terms of actually affecting the marketplace? Not really.

I tend to think that these particular shrinks *are* for the mobile market, though.

 

[Blazer7]

Originally posted by: s44

Originally posted by: Blazer7
ATI has already a 40nm part out there

Technically true. In terms of actually affecting the marketplace? Not really.

I tend to think that these particular shrinks *are* for the mobile market, though.

That's true. So if 40nm DX10.1 parts fail to impress the market why bother with them. It makes much more sense to use your resources elsewhere.

*** edit ***

If we are talking about mobile parts then this is a completely different issue.

 

[scooterlibby]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Blazer7

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: BFG10K
It doesn?t make sense that nVidia would be pushing to release a high-end DX10.1 part so hard, unless their DX11 part is a very long way away.

Unless these 10.1 cards will be the next gen value segment.

that is the only thing that makes sense

- DX10.1 for the midrange - DX11 for the high end
--- no doubt Nvidia wants to perfect 40 nm with the value segment first

This does not make any sense at all. ATI DX10.1 midrange parts will still be cheaper and ATI will have midrange parts with DX11 for sure so why go for an nV part instead?

how do you know they will be cheaper ?

- Nvidia is on a die shrink - they just "added" DX10.1 to the value segment

i would much rather test my midrange at 40 nm than my high end cards

there will be no DX11 games this year

I don't know why people keep saying this. PC Games & Hardware reported that the guys doing the two BF titles, to be released in the Fall on PC, were easily able to port the Frostbite engine over to DX11. If true, there should be at least two DX11 titles this year.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com...e-already-ported/News/

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: apoppin

there will be no DX11 games this year

I kinda beg to differ....one of the major 'selling points' of DX11 is that it is a LOT easier to code for and hence might be much easier adopted and used that DX10 ever was!!!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cheex

Originally posted by: apoppin

there will be no DX11 games this year

I kinda beg to differ....one of the major 'selling points' of DX11 is that it is a LOT easier to code for and hence might be much easier adopted and used that DX10 ever was!!!

differ all you like

it takes a couple of years to build a game

i am not talking about "patched in" DX11

screw that

Full DX11 games - from the ground up - taking more than a passing advantage of DX11 will be COMMON in 2011

Not before then

Devs are lazy and they will patch DX11 in and call it DX11 - just like they did with DX9 and DX10 when they were new

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Cheex

Originally posted by: apoppin

there will be no DX11 games this year

I kinda beg to differ....one of the major 'selling points' of DX11 is that it is a LOT easier to code for and hence might be much easier adopted and used that DX10 ever was!!!

differ all you like

it takes a couple of years to build a game

i am not talking about "patched in" DX11

screw that

Full DX11 games - from the ground up - taking more than a passing advantage of DX11 will be COMMON in 2011

Not before then

Devs are lazy and they will patch DX11 in and call it DX11 - just like they did with DX9 and DX10 when they were new

perhaps you missed the memo where going to DX11 is much easier than DX10. anyway even a game that is ported over to DX11 will still be a DX11 game.

 

[apoppin]

and it is still a DX9 console port

did you miss the memo?

we have a pattern dating back for YEARS

going from DX9 to DX11 is just like going from DX8 to DX9
--two years for the real McCoy

Believe whatever MS inspired "7" fantasy you want to believe
- sure we will have "DX11" games this year

But they will look nothing like the real DX11 games we will see in 2011

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Cheex

Originally posted by: apoppin

there will be no DX11 games this year

I kinda beg to differ....one of the major 'selling points' of DX11 is that it is a LOT easier to code for and hence might be much easier adopted and used that DX10 ever was!!!

This is almost verbatum of what was said just prior to DX10 launch. And look what happened.

 

[Scali]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Cheex

Originally posted by: apoppin

there will be no DX11 games this year

I kinda beg to differ....one of the major 'selling points' of DX11 is that it is a LOT easier to code for and hence might be much easier adopted and used that DX10 ever was!!!

This is almost verbatum of what was said just prior to DX10 launch. And look what happened.

Thing is, with DX10 it simply wasn't true... or at least, it didn't really work out that way for developers. D3D9 and D3D10 were completely different from one another, yet because D3D10 didn't work on XP and Vista, you still had to try and shoehorn those two different APIs into a single game.

D3D11 is a superset of D3D10, so developers are already familiar with the API, and already have a codebase which can easily be transformed to D3D11.
So D3D11 really IS easy to code for, if you already work with D3D10. And you can just replace your D3D10 code with D3D11, because there are no extra hardware and OS requirements. Any developer who wants to put in the few hours of work it takes to move from D3D10 to D3D11 can launch a D3D11 game. AMD is working hard to get developers to take that step.

 

[apoppin]

AMD is working hard to get developers to take that step.

Who *really* cares what AMD does?


intel and Nvidia drive the market

AMD pushed 64 bit forever - MS didn't take it seriously till intel got involved

AGAIN .. Devs are LAZY

they will PATCH IN DX11 - to put it on the BOX - so they can sell PC games to the '7' faithful

and it will be a DX9c console port with a few added visuals and perhaps [maybe] it will run a bit faster

2011 will see the real DX11 games .. they are working on them NOW .. it takes time

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
There won't be any DX11 games for a long time.

Lets hope nvidia is dropping this mantra. Is getting very old and likely won't help sell cards. They really need to just produce and quit making sour grapes.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: apoppin

AMD is working hard to get developers to take that step.

Who *really* cares what AMD does?

I'd be very surprised if ATI tech is ignored in the coming year..

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Wreckage
There won't be any DX11 games for a long time.

Lets hope nvidia is dropping this mantra. Is getting very old and likely won't help sell cards. They really need to just produce and quit making sour grapes.

huh? How is it a mantra? They only did that with 10.1 because it was only a minor change over 10. Nvidia never does that with whole new DX versions.