GT200 is apparently already taped out and Waiting for r700!

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

dude, wake up. the ati division is actually pulling its own weight again.

http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14311

AMD lost significant marketshare to NVIDIA last quarter. Leaving them with less than 1/3 of the desktop market. If that's pulling their weight, they must not weigh much.

HD 3800 came in the middle of the Q4-07. Q1-08 will be different.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Janooo


HD 3800 came in the middle of the Q4-07. Q1-08 will be different.

Which does not compete well with the 8800GT or 9600GT, so I don't see what difference it will make.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

dude, wake up. the ati division is actually pulling its own weight again.

http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14311

AMD lost significant marketshare to NVIDIA last quarter. Leaving them with less than 1/3 of the desktop market. If that's pulling their weight, they must not weigh much.

That is "pulling it's own weight" compared to their CPU division.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

That is "pulling it's own weight" compared to their CPU division.

Well that's like saying Paris Hilton is pulling her own weight in an IQ test with Britney Spears.

:laugh:

 

[Foxery]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
many wise words.

This thread is definitely "missing the forest for the trees." The demands made here for nVidia do not consider their business sense, and the fact that a company needs to make money in order to survive.

Now, aside from the obvious "there's always something better coming," i.e. stop being so impatient, consider that nVidia needs time between each product to recoup their costs (never mind turn a profit!) on the last one. ATI & nVidia already have one of the fastest product cycles anywhere on Earth; releasing any faster would kill them.

On the topic of X2 and GTX products, yes, they are advertising products, created to boost the company's shiny image. I don't know why you find this so evil. They exist for the same reason Ford makes the Mustang and Chevy makes the Corvette: These products are power-hungry, high performance, high price tag items for people who want a toy. They are never intended to be for the mainstream consumer. They exist solely to show off.

This is normal business practice anywhere in America. Stop acting so surprised and offended.

 

[CP5670]

This thread is definitely "missing the forest for the trees." The demands made here for nVidia do not consider their business sense, and the fact that a company needs to make money in order to survive.

Even if you ignore AMD, there are a lot of 8800 owners now that are looking to upgrade, as well as people like me who missed out on them earlier and don't want to buy one so late in their lifetime. If Nvidia wants our money, they need to release something better than these rehashed 8800s.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: CP5670

This thread is definitely "missing the forest for the trees." The demands made here for nVidia do not consider their business sense, and the fact that a company needs to make money in order to survive.

Even if you ignore AMD, there are a lot of 8800 owners now that are looking to upgrade, as well as people like me who missed out on them earlier and don't want to buy one so late in their lifetime. If Nvidia wants our money, they need to release something better than these rehashed 8800s.

Well, for people who had 8800GTS's 320/640, like me (which I just sold two days ago on Ebay), there is the 8800GTS G92 that offers a very decent performance jump over the GTS 640. I ordered one from the egg two nights ago and should get it tomorrow. Now if you already own a GTX, then the GTS 512 is just a sidestep.

I got the BFG for 259.99 before 30.00 MIR. So 229.00. Just about what my GTS640 sold for. So I only had to pay a few bucks for the G92 GTS. I'm not saying my performance gain will be stellar, but it will definitely be noticable. By tomorrow night, I should know for sure if it was worth the hassle of selling and buying. I think it will be.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CP5670

This thread is definitely "missing the forest for the trees." The demands made here for nVidia do not consider their business sense, and the fact that a company needs to make money in order to survive.

Even if you ignore AMD, there are a lot of 8800 owners now that are looking to upgrade, as well as people like me who missed out on them earlier and don't want to buy one so late in their lifetime. If Nvidia wants our money, they need to release something better than these rehashed 8800s.

Well, for people who had 8800GTS's 320/640, like me (which I just sold two days ago on Ebay), there is the 8800GTS G92 that offers a very decent performance jump over the GTS 640. I ordered one from the egg two nights ago and should get it tomorrow. Now if you already own a GTX, then the GTS 512 is just a sidestep.

I got the BFG for 259.99 before 30.00 MIR. So 229.00. Just about what my GTS640 sold for. So I only had to pay a few bucks for the G92 GTS. I'm not saying my performance gain will be stellar, but it will definitely be noticable. By tomorrow night, I should know for sure if it was worth the hassle of selling and buying. I think it will be.

I was referring to the 9 series. The 8800 GT and GTS are great for what they are, although they are essentially midrange cards at this point (even though they're close to the best you can get, the games have continued to get more demanding and have caught up).

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, for people who had 8800GTS's 320/640, like me (which I just sold two days ago on Ebay), there is the 8800GTS G92 that offers a very decent performance jump over the GTS 640. I ordered one from the egg two nights ago and should get it tomorrow. Now if you already own a GTX, then the GTS 512 is just a sidestep.

I got the BFG for 259.99 before 30.00 MIR. So 229.00. Just about what my GTS640 sold for. So I only had to pay a few bucks for the G92 GTS. I'm not saying my performance gain will be stellar, but it will definitely be noticable. By tomorrow night, I should know for sure if it was worth the hassle of selling and buying. I think it will be.

Don't you get free cards now?

 

[Golgatha]

Send them a message, tell 'em to stuff it - for $600 .. we learned the last time

It is a dirty game between NVIDIA and AMD/ATi and the customers are their unwitting "pawns" - NVIDIA wants to release GT200 just to spoil the r700 launch - that is the "timing" .. their PLAN ... as they have done so many times in the past [to each other].

My timing is to wait for a single GPU core solution that can give me 2x the performance of my 8800GT for $400 or less.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CP5670

This thread is definitely "missing the forest for the trees." The demands made here for nVidia do not consider their business sense, and the fact that a company needs to make money in order to survive.

Even if you ignore AMD, there are a lot of 8800 owners now that are looking to upgrade, as well as people like me who missed out on them earlier and don't want to buy one so late in their lifetime. If Nvidia wants our money, they need to release something better than these rehashed 8800s.

Well, for people who had 8800GTS's 320/640, like me (which I just sold two days ago on Ebay), there is the 8800GTS G92 that offers a very decent performance jump over the GTS 640. I ordered one from the egg two nights ago and should get it tomorrow. Now if you already own a GTX, then the GTS 512 is just a sidestep.

I got the BFG for 259.99 before 30.00 MIR. So 229.00. Just about what my GTS640 sold for. So I only had to pay a few bucks for the G92 GTS. I'm not saying my performance gain will be stellar, but it will definitely be noticable. By tomorrow night, I should know for sure if it was worth the hassle of selling and buying. I think it will be.

Is the GTS 512 really a "side step" to GTX? i thought GTX had it in some situations.

You are paying $230 [ plus tax] for GTS-512... what did you "net" for your GTS640 [after shipping and ins costs]?

i am *guessing* i can only get about $200 for my 2900xt [strangely my dinosaur has held some value, probably as still one of the fastest single-core AMD solutions] and still $140 for my 2900Pro which will OC to XT speeds [only being held back for higher resolutions, by being 256-bit].
-for me GTS 512 would be silly as i'd need two, which is impossible [unfortunately]. So the only NVIDIA solution - for me - that makes ANY sense is GX2

i am not changing my MB yet. And i am not impressed with SLi boards that much. So to get "better" for my rig it leaves


one choice


a single slot solution


GX2


what else?


Of course if it is "too expensive", i will survive till r700 [i think] or GT200

... logical? .. yes .. no ?

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Send them a message, tell 'em to stuff it - for $600 .. we learned the last time

It is a dirty game between NVIDIA and AMD/ATi and the customers are their unwitting "pawns" - NVIDIA wants to release GT200 just to spoil the r700 launch - that is the "timing" .. their PLAN ... as they have done so many times in the past [to each other].

My timing is to wait for a single GPU core solution that can give me 2x the performance of my 8800GT for $400 or less.

good call try end of 2008. probably 500-600 though

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CP5670

This thread is definitely "missing the forest for the trees." The demands made here for nVidia do not consider their business sense, and the fact that a company needs to make money in order to survive.

Even if you ignore AMD, there are a lot of 8800 owners now that are looking to upgrade, as well as people like me who missed out on them earlier and don't want to buy one so late in their lifetime. If Nvidia wants our money, they need to release something better than these rehashed 8800s.

Well, for people who had 8800GTS's 320/640, like me (which I just sold two days ago on Ebay), there is the 8800GTS G92 that offers a very decent performance jump over the GTS 640. I ordered one from the egg two nights ago and should get it tomorrow. Now if you already own a GTX, then the GTS 512 is just a sidestep.

I got the BFG for 259.99 before 30.00 MIR. So 229.00. Just about what my GTS640 sold for. So I only had to pay a few bucks for the G92 GTS. I'm not saying my performance gain will be stellar, but it will definitely be noticable. By tomorrow night, I should know for sure if it was worth the hassle of selling and buying. I think it will be.

Is the GTS 512 really a "side step" to GTX? i thought GTX had it in some situations.

You are paying $230 [ plus tax] for GTS-512... what did you "net" for your GTS640 [after shipping and ins costs]?

i am *guessing* i can only get about $200 for my 2900xt [strangely my dinosaur has held some value, probably as still one of the fastest single-core AMD solutions] and still $140 for my 2900Pro which will OC to XT speeds [only being held back for higher resolutions, by being 256-bit].
-for me GTS 512 would be silly as i'd need two, which is impossible [unfortunately]. So the only NVIDIA solution - for me - that makes ANY sense is GX2

i am not changing my MB yet. And i am not impressed with SLi boards that much. So to get "better" for my rig it leaves


one choice


a single slot solution


GX2


what else?


Of course if it is "too expensive", i will survive till r700 [i think] or GT200

... logical? .. yes .. no ?

GTX vs. G92 512. The GTX will walk away at very high resolutions in certain games where memory quantity and bandwidth are a factor. Other than that, and for a guy like me who games at 1680x1050, The cards trade blows. Then factor in the cost difference between the two.

As for my GTS 640. I'll PM you with the price details.

As for your options, on your current mobo. 3870X2 or 9800GX2.
IF you did change to an SLI mobo, then I would say get two of the cheapest 8800GT's available. (I think the MSI is about 186 bucks)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin


Is the GTS 512 really a "side step" to GTX? i thought GTX had it in some situations.

You are paying $230 [ plus tax] for GTS-512... what did you "net" for your GTS640 [after shipping and ins costs]?

i am *guessing* i can only get about $200 for my 2900xt [strangely my dinosaur has held some value, probably as still one of the fastest single-core AMD solutions] and still $140 for my 2900Pro which will OC to XT speeds [only being held back for higher resolutions, by being 256-bit].
-for me GTS 512 would be silly as i'd need two, which is impossible [unfortunately]. So the only NVIDIA solution - for me - that makes ANY sense is GX2

i am not changing my MB yet. And i am not impressed with SLi boards that much. So to get "better" for my rig it leaves


one choice


a single slot solution


GX2


what else?


Of course if it is "too expensive", i will survive till r700 [i think] or GT200

... logical? .. yes .. no ?

GTX vs. G92 512. The GTX will walk away at very high resolutions in certain games where memory quantity and bandwidth are a factor. Other than that, and for a guy like me who games at 1680x1050, The cards trade blows. Then factor in the cost difference between the two.

As for my GTS 640. I'll PM you with the price details.

As for your options, on your current mobo. 3870X2 or 9800GX2.
IF you did change to an SLI mobo, then I would say get two of the cheapest 8800GT's available. (I think the MSI is about 186 bucks)

Thank-you ... and THANK-YOU!!!!!

Brilliant!

i DO have an option .. i never thought of it actually

Sell my 2900p and get a HD3870x2 to pair with my 2900xt [now in the 2nd slot]. With Tri-FrankenFire, i should get a NICE boost

hold on ... will 850w be enough?
:Q

1-2900xt and 1 3870x2?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin


Is the GTS 512 really a "side step" to GTX? i thought GTX had it in some situations.

You are paying $230 [ plus tax] for GTS-512... what did you "net" for your GTS640 [after shipping and ins costs]?

i am *guessing* i can only get about $200 for my 2900xt [strangely my dinosaur has held some value, probably as still one of the fastest single-core AMD solutions] and still $140 for my 2900Pro which will OC to XT speeds [only being held back for higher resolutions, by being 256-bit].
-for me GTS 512 would be silly as i'd need two, which is impossible [unfortunately]. So the only NVIDIA solution - for me - that makes ANY sense is GX2

i am not changing my MB yet. And i am not impressed with SLi boards that much. So to get "better" for my rig it leaves


one choice


a single slot solution


GX2


what else?


Of course if it is "too expensive", i will survive till r700 [i think] or GT200

... logical? .. yes .. no ?

GTX vs. G92 512. The GTX will walk away at very high resolutions in certain games where memory quantity and bandwidth are a factor. Other than that, and for a guy like me who games at 1680x1050, The cards trade blows. Then factor in the cost difference between the two.

As for my GTS 640. I'll PM you with the price details.

As for your options, on your current mobo. 3870X2 or 9800GX2.
IF you did change to an SLI mobo, then I would say get two of the cheapest 8800GT's available. (I think the MSI is about 186 bucks)

Thank-you ... and THANK-YOU!!!!!

Brilliant!

i DO have an option .. i never thought of it actually

Sell my 2900p and get a HD3870x2 to pair with my 2900xt [now in the 2nd slot]. With Tri-FrankenFire, i should get a NICE boost

hold on ... will 850w be enough?
:Q

1-2900xt and 1 3870x2?

I dunno. That 2900XT probably takes as much juice as the 3870X2. I don't have exact numbers, but it sure would be worth it to look up the power consumption for each.
Need somebody good with 'da math.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin


Is the GTS 512 really a "side step" to GTX? i thought GTX had it in some situations.

You are paying $230 [ plus tax] for GTS-512... what did you "net" for your GTS640 [after shipping and ins costs]?

i am *guessing* i can only get about $200 for my 2900xt [strangely my dinosaur has held some value, probably as still one of the fastest single-core AMD solutions] and still $140 for my 2900Pro which will OC to XT speeds [only being held back for higher resolutions, by being 256-bit].
-for me GTS 512 would be silly as i'd need two, which is impossible [unfortunately]. So the only NVIDIA solution - for me - that makes ANY sense is GX2

i am not changing my MB yet. And i am not impressed with SLi boards that much. So to get "better" for my rig it leaves


one choice


a single slot solution


GX2


what else?


Of course if it is "too expensive", i will survive till r700 [i think] or GT200

... logical? .. yes .. no ?

GTX vs. G92 512. The GTX will walk away at very high resolutions in certain games where memory quantity and bandwidth are a factor. Other than that, and for a guy like me who games at 1680x1050, The cards trade blows. Then factor in the cost difference between the two.

As for my GTS 640. I'll PM you with the price details.

As for your options, on your current mobo. 3870X2 or 9800GX2.
IF you did change to an SLI mobo, then I would say get two of the cheapest 8800GT's available. (I think the MSI is about 186 bucks)

Thank-you ... and THANK-YOU!!!!!

Brilliant!

i DO have an option .. i never thought of it actually

Sell my 2900p and get a HD3870x2 to pair with my 2900xt [now in the 2nd slot]. With Tri-FrankenFire, i should get a NICE boost

hold on ... will 850w be enough?
:Q

1-2900xt and 1 3870x2?

Don't think 3800 series and 2900 will work *properly* in Crossfire. Yes, people will link that Xtreview article or the Driverheaven one, but there was a post on Rage3d a while back (I'll try and dig it up) by an ATI beta tester that said they simply don't gel well together, he mentioned it may be possible with some driver hacks for DX9 but that was a while back on different drivers, don't think it would work well if at all today- they're simply too 'different' (although to me I wouldn't think so) mainly in respect to the memory bus and DX10.1 +DX10 hardware.

If you need to upgrade with an X2....I would sell both 2900's and either pocket the difference and stick with an X2 or get an X2 and a 3850 if you can stretch that far.