GT-R & new RS-6 tonight

[DivideBYZero]

1st GT-R in the UK. Plato takes it around Rockingham circuit. Seems impressed, but laments mid speed corner understeer. Can't wait to see the TG track time when they get hold of it.

RS-6. Monster power, 580hp. A real beast of a wagon. Is criticised for not being a true track machine, but at the same time Audi were restricting the test.

Good show!

 

[Arkaign]

Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

Why did they test M3 to CL? When was this? Of course the M3 will beat the CL. The CL is a MUCH larger car based on the S class platform.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

Why did they test M3 to CL? When was this? Of course the M3 will beat the CL. The CL is a MUCH larger car based on the S class platform.

He means C63, which is clearly not on the S platform.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

Why did they test M3 to CL? When was this? Of course the M3 will beat the CL. The CL is a MUCH larger car based on the S class platform.

He means C63, which is clearly not on the S platform.

C63 only costs 70k.

CL63 would be around the 140k mark

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

Why did they test M3 to CL? When was this? Of course the M3 will beat the CL. The CL is a MUCH larger car based on the S class platform.

He means C63, which is clearly not on the S platform.

C63 only costs 70k.

CL63 would be around the 140k mark

Ah, my bad

I still think the M3 is a better value and a more worthy performance vehicle compared to the C63.

Big engines and big power are great when done right (Vette), and terrible when done wrong (C63).

Audi does it pretty nicely with the RS4. There's no excuse for the RS6 being 4400lbs, however.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Too bad Plato is such an ass. They should really let Tiff do all the initial tests on landmark performance cars like the GT-R.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

Are you sure that curb weight number for the RS6 is right? That sounds lighter than they had originally stated for the wagon. If that's true, that's great news, especially with the anticipation of 150-200 lbs of weight difference between the wagon and sedan.

 

[Fenixgoon]

utterly useless comparison? GTR = uber sports car... RS6 = uber sports wagon. me = thoroughly

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
utterly useless comparison? GTR = uber sports car... RS6 = uber sports wagon. me = thoroughly

ditto. obviously the GTR is gonna spank the RS6.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

Why did they test M3 to CL? When was this? Of course the M3 will beat the CL. The CL is a MUCH larger car based on the S class platform.

He means C63, which is clearly not on the S platform.

C63 only costs 70k.

CL63 would be around the 140k mark

Ah, my bad

I still think the M3 is a better value and a more worthy performance vehicle compared to the C63.

Big engines and big power are great when done right (Vette), and terrible when done wrong (C63).

Audi does it pretty nicely with the RS4. There's no excuse for the RS6 being 4400lbs, however.

Interior and std features: C63 > M3
Price: About the same (although official numbers arnt out yet)
Staight line Performance: C63 > M3
Practicality: C63 > M3
Styling: Subjunctive, but I think the M3 is HIDEOUS, especially the sedan, what did they do with that rear end....


C63 is a beast of its own, huge torque, no need to rev like mad like the torueless M3. (295 ft. lbs)

If your not the type to track your car, the C63 is the superior choice to live with day to day.

Note, the Audi RS4 is pretty heavy it self, around the same weight as the C63. The M3 sedan is pretty porky too, 3750 lbs. (We should at least compare 4 door to 4 door now). Welcome to 2008, cars are no longer the featherweights they used to be, but it doesn't seem to be affecting them that bad, look at the GTR, its like a boat compared to the R34.

 

[GoatMonkey]

Didn't you guys see the other thread about GT-R vs. M3. The GT-R beat it pretty solidly.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2157984&enterthread=y

The crazy electronic gadgets on the GT-R bring it around the corners very nicely even with its massive weight for a sports car.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
utterly useless comparison? GTR = uber sports car... RS6 = uber sports wagon. me = thoroughly

It wasn't a comparison. Two separate segments in the show.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

Why did they test M3 to CL? When was this? Of course the M3 will beat the CL. The CL is a MUCH larger car based on the S class platform.

He means C63, which is clearly not on the S platform.

C63 only costs 70k.

CL63 would be around the 140k mark

Ah, my bad

I still think the M3 is a better value and a more worthy performance vehicle compared to the C63.

Big engines and big power are great when done right (Vette), and terrible when done wrong (C63).

Audi does it pretty nicely with the RS4. There's no excuse for the RS6 being 4400lbs, however.

Interior and std features: C63 > M3
Price: About the same (although official numbers arnt out yet)
Staight line Performance: C63 > M3
Practicality: C63 > M3
Styling: Subjunctive, but I think the M3 is HIDEOUS, especially the sedan, what did they do with that rear end....


C63 is a beast of its own, huge torque, no need to rev like mad like the torueless M3. (295 ft. lbs)

If your not the type to track your car, the C63 is the superior choice to live with day to day.

Note, the Audi RS4 is pretty heavy it self, around the same weight as the C63. The M3 sedan is pretty porky too, 3750 lbs. (We should at least compare 4 door to 4 door now). Welcome to 2008, cars are no longer the featherweights they used to be, but it doesn't seem to be affecting them that bad, look at the GTR, its like a boat compared to the R34.

**WHOOP!! WHOOP!!** FANBOI ALERT!! **WHOOP!! WHOOP!! **

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
utterly useless comparison? GTR = uber sports car... RS6 = uber sports wagon. me = thoroughly

It wasn't a comparison. Two separate segments in the show.

ahhhh thank you for clarifying that... all i could see in the title was "GTR vs RS6" and was wondering wtf was wrong with me

 

[overst33r]

Here are the youtube rips:

GT-R driven by Jason Plato

RS6 driven by Tiff Needel

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Here are the youtube rips:

GT-R driven by Jason Plato

RS6 driven by Tiff Needel

Thanks Mario. :thumbsup:

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h.

Curb weight : 4464lb

Yuck. Seems they went the Mercedes route, throw more power at it without consideration to weight or handling dynamics. See the $55k M3 carve up the $140k CL63 in head to head track tests.

Why did they test M3 to CL? When was this? Of course the M3 will beat the CL. The CL is a MUCH larger car based on the S class platform.

He means C63, which is clearly not on the S platform.

C63 only costs 70k.

CL63 would be around the 140k mark

Ah, my bad

I still think the M3 is a better value and a more worthy performance vehicle compared to the C63.

Big engines and big power are great when done right (Vette), and terrible when done wrong (C63).

Audi does it pretty nicely with the RS4. There's no excuse for the RS6 being 4400lbs, however.

Interior and std features: C63 > M3
Price: About the same (although official numbers arnt out yet)
Staight line Performance: C63 > M3
Practicality: C63 > M3
Styling: Subjunctive, but I think the M3 is HIDEOUS, especially the sedan, what did they do with that rear end....


C63 is a beast of its own, huge torque, no need to rev like mad like the torueless M3. (295 ft. lbs)

If your not the type to track your car, the C63 is the superior choice to live with day to day.

Note, the Audi RS4 is pretty heavy it self, around the same weight as the C63. The M3 sedan is pretty porky too, 3750 lbs. (We should at least compare 4 door to 4 door now). Welcome to 2008, cars are no longer the featherweights they used to be, but it doesn't seem to be affecting them that bad, look at the GTR, its like a boat compared to the R34.

Interior / Std features, somewhat subjective. I've never found BMW interiors to be lacking, though I hate Idrive and I hate their NAV systems. I actually prefer Lexus interiors to either, but that's just me.

Well, if you remember 5th gear comparo, the straight-line performance wasn't that far off, with Tiff driving the Merc just a little more reckless in the straight (braking too late) to get a *2* Mph difference.

Price, probably equals out well enough, but I'm pretty sure that the base price of the Merc will be more. Because BMW nickels and dimes you to death for options, it's a wash in the end.

Practicality = what? They're both more than nice enough for daily use.

Styling, I think you'd have a hard time convincing many people that the C63 looks better than the M3. The M3 is one of the prettiest cars out there, the touches are all done very nicely. I think the best looking Mercedes is the very impressive CLS class.

You totally forgot to mention the handling. The C63 is a great car for someone who never wants to take a corner at a high speed, just cruise around in. For that kind of use, why get an AMG model at all? Just to drag race people? The M3 easily outmaneuvers the cumbersome C63 in the tests.

Ah, and when I hear someone say that *only* ~300 ft. lbs of torque is *torqueless*, I just have to laugh. The M3 still has the guts for a 12.5 second 1/4, a nice match to it's .98g skidpad and 71.4mph slalom time.

It's just a very well-rounded vehicle, much more so than the admirably powerful but utterly untrackworthy Merc.

 

[Aharami]

nimble quick car > heavy fast car
you cant hide weight

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Aharami
nimble quick car > heavy fast car
you cant hide weight

i don't think anyone expected the RS6 to compete with the GTR, if that's what you're saying. two totally different cars for totally different markets

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Aharami
nimble quick car > heavy fast car
you cant hide weight

i don't think anyone expected the RS6 to compete with the GTR, if that's what you're saying. two totally different cars for totally different markets

I was commenting on C63 vs M3

 

[SearchMaster]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
**WHOOP!! WHOOP!!** FANBOI ALERT!! **WHOOP!! WHOOP!! **

While he probably is a fanboi (he's posted that he owns a Mercedes), I think his assessment was fair. "If your not the type to track your car, the C63 is the superior choice to live with day to day." I doubt I'll ever own a car in the class of those two cars, but if I had that much cash earmarked for a car right now, it'd probably be the Merc.

 

[Aharami]

watched the last fifth gear last night. pretty good show.