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GSM vs. CDMA

Eug

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GSM basically runs all of Europe, Africa, and most of Asia too. It is firmly entrenched in North America, but CDMA has a good chunk of the market here. However, this seems to be changing...

Is GSM finally taking over in North America too? I bought a GSM phone 5 years ago, and for a while was wondering if I had made a mistake going GSM. Now, in 2004, I have an uber-cool Sony Ericsson T610 (Bluetooth, camera, GPRS, etc.) and it seems like GSM and related future technologies are the way to go. Even the war-torn Iraq, despite the heavy US influence, is going GSM.

There are some interesting articles here:

GSM overtakes CDMA in Q1, surges 81% globally
GSM vs CDMA: A Primer Before the BREW Conference
 

alkemyst

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the GSM and bluetooth being more popular overseas and outside america is due to the fact that those countries don't have radio / tv broadcasters hoarding up bandwidth.

Long ago the FCC allowed frequencies to be bought up and reserved them for Radio and TV which phones don't fit into.

It's hard to say what is fair in this case....do we take the frequencies back to use on phone? who do we give them too? do we reimburse the radio or tv company?

It's more complicated than this quick picture...but that's the idea.

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Eug

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Until Verizon go GSM, if it ever does, CDMA is here to stay for now:)
Well, it's interesting to note that Verizon is heavily in debt (like everyone else), and Vodafone owns 45% of Verizon anyway. Vodaphone is Europe's biggest wireless provider, and it's GSM.

The W-CDMA stuff for the future should prove interesting.
 

amnesiac

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CDMA has many native advantages over GSM, and if Qualcomm didn't own the rights to producing all CDMA equipment (and thus earn royalties) it would be more widely used.

GSM is more portable and cheaper to deploy.

CDMA has better penetration capabilities, vastly superior range (important in the US due to large amounts of "empty space"), high capacity, and ease of maintenance.
 

rudeguy

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Originally posted by: Eug
Originally posted by: dartworth
Until Verizon go GSM, if it ever does, CDMA is here to stay for now:)
Well, it's interesting to note that Verizon is heavily in debt (like everyone else), and Vodafone owns 45% of Verizon anyway. Vodaphone is Europe's biggest wireless provider, and it's GSM.

The W-CDMA stuff for the future should prove interesting.

thank you for bringing up W-CDMA. This is where everything is going. UMITS and W-CDMA will provide 3G cellular in the very near future. Cellular is no longer just voice, thats old and easy. Carriers want to provide high speed internet as well. AT&T already has a framework in place to launch UMITS by 2005 in select markets. I cant wait to see a true 3G phone in action.

To answer your question though: neither GSM or CDMA will be around in the future.
 

Eug

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Originally posted by: rudeguy
thank you for bringing up W-CDMA. This is where everything is going. UMITS and W-CDMA will provide 3G cellular in the very near future. Cellular is no longer just voice, thats old and easy. Carriers want to provide high speed internet as well. AT&T already has a framework in place to launch UMITS by 2005 in select markets. I cant wait to see a true 3G phone in action.

To answer your question though: neither GSM or CDMA will be around in the future.
Well, that's why I said GSM and related technology.

W-CDMA is the evolution of GSM and is now called 3GSM. In fact, to use Japan's 3G system when travelling there you just rent W-CDMA/3GSM phones for use with North American sim cards.
 

Eug

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P.S. Sony Ericsson has stated they will no longer produce CDMA phones for North America.
 

kalster

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as a CDMA developer i have to say CDMA, EGDE or CDMA2000 aremuch easier/cheaper for existing cdma providers (sprint, verizon) service providers to adopt than UMTS (w-cdma)

on the other hand for analog (tdma ) providers like Cingluar/At&t, gprs, gsm makes much more sense

but verizon,sprint have a very big chunk of the market i believe
 

optoman

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To get some things straight about the industry first:

the GSM and bluetooth being more popular overseas and outside america is due to the fact that those countries don't have radio / tv broadcasters hoarding up bandwidth.

Long ago the FCC allowed frequencies to be bought up and reserved them for Radio and TV which phones don't fit into.

It's hard to say what is fair in this case....do we take the frequencies back to use on phone? who do we give them too? do we reimburse the radio or tv company?

It's more complicated than this quick picture...but that's the idea.

The FCC set aside four different bandwidths for cell phones, analog: 824.04 Mhz to 893.97 Mhz with 832 channels in that spread and also 1900 Mhz, 1800 Mhz and 1500 Mhz for digital use only.

TDMA is used at both spectrums but is an older technology. Companies that use it are slowly moving away from it to GSM.

GSM is basically narrowband TDMA and offers more capacity per channel.

iDEN is another version of TDMA and GSM which doesn't offer as much capacity per channel but allows more data products to be offered per device, such as data/fax, two-way radio, etc.

CDMA is the best of all technologies offered right now in the US. It offers all the above and has a larger capacity then all the others. W-CDMA is next in line and will probably be offering everything possible and will take over and the prominent technology in about 3-5 years.

Companies bid for different bands when the FCC puts them up forsale. It is kind of like buying a web address.

Well, it's interesting to note that Verizon is heavily in debt (like everyone else), and Vodafone owns 45% of Verizon anyway. Vodaphone is Europe's biggest wireless provider, and it's GSM.

The W-CDMA stuff for the future should prove interesting.

Humm, Verizon Wireless is actually doing very well. They are the only wireless company in the black and growing at a crazy rate. There subscriber network is about to hit 37 million which is about 12 million more then Cingular, the number 2 company. Verizon Wireless could pay off its debt if it wanted to but instead they invested about 3-4 billion on improving the infrastruture and planning for the future. Closest company only spent about 1.5 billion last year.

Vodafone does own 45% of VW and Verizon owns the other 55%. VW is a private company as Verizon is not. They are two seperate companies.

P.S. Sony Ericsson has stated they will no longer produce CDMA phones for North America.

That is a shame because about half of the users in the US use CDMA. Verizon Wireless will be going all digital within the next 5 years and is already starting to phase out analog service.

Edit: VW is also coming out with CDMA/GSM phone that can be used throughout most of the world. I have heard only rumored dates but with the next 18 months.
 

Nocturnal

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AT&T recently switched to TDMA as well as GSM. They're trying to get their entire network over to GSM, someday. I think GSM is the way of the future. Sim cards rock, you can put your sim in any compatible phone and you are able to use that phone as if it is yours.
 

optoman

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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
AT&T recently switched to TDMA as well as GSM. They're trying to get their entire network over to GSM, someday. I think GSM is the way of the future. Sim cards rock, you can put your sim in any compatible phone and you are able to use that phone as if it is yours.

GSM is older and limitations that are overcome with CDMA and the soon to be W-CDMA. GSM is actually going the way of the dinosaur and should only be around for about 5-8 more years. Analog service is the first thing on cell providers lists to go, then GSM.

Edit: AT&T sucks for being a wireless company and they are about to be fined by the FCC for not getting their act together during the porting of numbers last month. They are losing subscribers at a big rate and there next round of numbers should show that.
 

kalster

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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
AT&T recently switched to TDMA as well as GSM. They're trying to get their entire network over to GSM, someday. I think GSM is the way of the future. Sim cards rock, you can put your sim in any compatible phone and you are able to use that phone as if it is yours.

actually AT&t has always been TDMA, they are startign to migrate to GSM now

and the 'SOON' to be W-CDMA is not picking up as far as providers expected or want you and me to believe, spending in Telecom industry is very very less these days, hell UMTS standards have been there for 1-2 years now and only kidna popular in Japan (japan for some reason is first in adopting these technologies widely, NTT Docomo is a big player in 3G/wireless in general) , it will pick up, but slowly, but for existing cdma providers, it will be more of a progression, 2.5 g as we call it (EDGE) is gonna be next in line
 

olds

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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
AT&T recently switched to TDMA as well as GSM. They're trying to get their entire network over to GSM, someday. I think GSM is the way of the future. Sim cards rock, you can put your sim in any compatible phone and you are able to use that phone as if it is yours.

AT&T isn't using GSM out here on the left coast. We just switched from AT&T, TDMA to Verizon, CDMA so my wife could use her cell as a modem.

 

optoman

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: Nocturnal
AT&T recently switched to TDMA as well as GSM. They're trying to get their entire network over to GSM, someday. I think GSM is the way of the future. Sim cards rock, you can put your sim in any compatible phone and you are able to use that phone as if it is yours.

AT&T isn't using GSM out here on the left coast. We just switched from AT&T, TDMA to Verizon, CDMA so my wife could use her cell as a modem.

AT&T is starting to switch their networks over to GSM so it will take some time. I just don't get why they are going to such an old technology.
 

kalster

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Originally posted by: optoman
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: Nocturnal AT&T recently switched to TDMA as well as GSM. They're trying to get their entire network over to GSM, someday. I think GSM is the way of the future. Sim cards rock, you can put your sim in any compatible phone and you are able to use that phone as if it is yours.
AT&T isn't using GSM out here on the left coast. We just switched from AT&T, TDMA to Verizon, CDMA so my wife could use her cell as a modem.
AT&T is starting to switch their networks over to GSM so it will take some time. I just don't get why they are going to such an old technology.

moving from TDMA to GSM is smart coz with TDMA they cant have any kinda data servicse, with GSM they can do data with GPRS, MMS (other AT&t marketing gimmicks) while they try and make the transition to 3G, moving to CDMA doesnt make sense, coz there are already to many players in CDMA and it will be lateral for them anyway, and they cant go to 3G right away, thatz too risky, and not at all cost effective (considering its not pickign up as fast as ppl expected)