Grrrrr... classmate plagiarizing... what to do?

[everman]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: newmachineoverlord
Now that we've dealt with your plagiarizm issue, we must address your second question "what to do?" If you're bored with just graduate school and a job, I suggest you experiment with using your car as a solar cooker. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1905115&enterthread=y

Actually, one of my tasks in another month or so is to finally turn my 10 foot satellite dish into a giant parabolic mirror to use as a solar cooker I'm going to buy lots of cheap mirrors, cut them into little pieces, and glue/epoxy all the pieces to the dish. Hopefully it works.

Ok you must post pics of that.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: everman
imo people should be expelled for plagiarizing. It is very serious and the most avoidable thing possible. Ignorance of proper citations is not an excuse, especially in graduate school!

Actually, I'd estimate that 75% of people don't know when they need to cite something. It seems that in high school (or somewhere along the line), they believe that if they put it into their own words, it's not plagiarism.

That's what's I was taught. But, if you don't know anything about... Oh, let's say, continental drift, and your professor asks you to write an essay about it, or make it a project or whatever, how is reading in an encyclopedia (sorry, I'm no spelling wonder) or asking a pro not plagiarism, then? After all, you're just repeating what they said. Should you try to find out for yourself? Make a theory or something?

I'm in high school, too, and if the work I'm doing now is not good enough for college, I'd rather start doing things the right way right away. Honestly, PM me or something on how to write papers et al properly .

 

[BigJ]

If it's impacting you directly, turn 'em in. I've always stood by this.

Ex: If papers are not compartively graded, and instead graded via rubric for example, where it's possible for everyone to get an A, don't turn 'em in.
However, if it's graded in a fashion like a curve, where only a certain number of people will get each grade, turn his ass in.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: BigJ
If it's impacting you directly, turn 'em in. I've always stood by this.

Ex: If papers are not compartively graded, and instead graded via rubric for example, where it's possible for everyone to get an A, don't turn 'em in.
However, if it's graded in a fashion like a curve, where only a certain number of people will get each grade, turn his ass in.

:thumbsup:

 

[oboeguy]

Nail the cheater to the wall.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: everman
imo people should be expelled for plagiarizing. It is very serious and the most avoidable thing possible. Ignorance of proper citations is not an excuse, especially in graduate school!

Actually, I'd estimate that 75% of people don't know when they need to cite something. It seems that in high school (or somewhere along the line), they believe that if they put it into their own words, it's not plagiarism.

That's what's I was taught. But, if you don't know anything about... Oh, let's say, continental drift, and your professor asks you to write an essay about it, or make it a project or whatever, how is reading in an encyclopedia (sorry, I'm no spelling wonder) or asking a pro not plagiarism, then? After all, you're just repeating what they said. Should you try to find out for yourself? Make a theory or something?

I'm in high school, too, and if the work I'm doing now is not good enough for college, I'd rather start doing things the right way right away. Honestly, PM me or something on how to write papers et al properly .

You can (and should) use information from other sources, you just have to give credit to those sources.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: preslove
I am all for snitching. I should point out, however, that I am also very much in favor of bestiality.

What purpose did the latter comment add to the thread?

My vote, rat his ass out.

 

[mugs]

I'd send an e-mail to the professor and let them deal with it.

 

[Steve]

Anonymous email FTW!

 

[ViviTheMage]

if you dont bust him, the teacher will know for sure, if he/she is any good at catching this sort of stuff

 

[Phoenix86]

It's a competitive grade, so nail 'em. FFS, he copied two whole articles and appended them as his report...

 

[chambersc]

I'd be willing to email your professor from my email, if you want.

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: Talcite
I'd say approach the guy. Snitching is rather unethical (violation of trust), plus I'd say give him another chance. Being kicked outta university could really ruin a guy's life. If he's really that stupid/lazy, he won't be competition for your grades anyways.

Oh, and the high school students not knowing how not to plagiarise is absolutely true. I didn't even TRUELY learn about plagiarism until my final year.

Unethical my ass, if someone was cheating at it had an effect on my grade I'd bust his ass.

Who cares if his life is ruined? He should have thought about that when he copied and pasted from the internet.

 

[Steve]

Kill him.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Yeah, I'd definitely let the professor know what's up. Obviously, you work hard to compete in a class like that and if someone just copy / pastes then that ruins everything. I say you either email the professor or stick the proof, the person's essay, and a personal letter in an envelope and leave it in the prof's box. *Shrugs* To hell with him, he shouldn't be cheating. Let him go down in flames.

 

[tmc]

yup, drop it in the prof's mailbox with proof. do it anonymously, no fingerprints on the envelope . and everything should be typed, not handwritten, LOL. for best results delete this thread and purge it from AT database.

 

[sniperruff]

squeal. i would. bastard deserves it.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: newmachineoverlord
Now that we've dealt with your plagiarizm issue, we must address your second question "what to do?" If you're bored with just graduate school and a job, I suggest you experiment with using your car as a solar cooker. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1905115&enterthread=y

Actually, one of my tasks in another month or so is to finally turn my 10 foot satellite dish into a giant parabolic mirror to use as a solar cooker I'm going to buy lots of cheap mirrors, cut them into little pieces, and glue/epoxy all the pieces to the dish. Hopefully it works.

Ok you must post pics of that.

/nod.

And for the cheater, bust his ass, but do it anonymously - personally I'd hate to appear as though I was bashing a classmate just for better grades.

 

[HN]

email the original author(s) of the text and have them take care of it. they will not be pleased about their work being plagiarized.

also, pizza, i always thought you were a teacher/professor.(?)

 

[AbsolutDealage]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Actually, one of my tasks in another month or so is to finally turn my 10 foot satellite dish into a giant parabolic mirror to use as a solar cooker I'm going to buy lots of cheap mirrors, cut them into little pieces, and glue/epoxy all the pieces to the dish. Hopefully it works.

The mythbusters did something similar on the Archimedes revisit episode. It caught stuff on fire at the focal point... so I would be careful if you are going to try and cook anything.

 

[ailetlvo]

Originally posted by: Trinitron
Bust his ass. This is how the world works. You think that when you get grown up and go into the workplace things change - they don't.

Fast forward ten years. You and a coworker are going for the same management job. You both have a project to complete and whoever the boss thinks has done the better job will move up and get a $15k bonus. The only problem is your coworker is stealing other employees work and if he keeps it up has a good chance of beating you to the management job and the $15K. So what do you do?

Bust his ass.

Get used to it because this is how the world works. You can bust ass or get busted.

Amen.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Trinitron
Bust his ass. This is how the world works. You think that when you get grown up and go into the workplace things change - they don't.

Fast forward ten years. You and a coworker are going for the same management job. You both have a project to complete and whoever the boss thinks has done the better job will move up and get a $15k bonus. The only problem is your coworker is stealing other employees work and if he keeps it up has a good chance of beating you to the management job and the $15K. So what do you do?

Bust his ass.

Get used to it because this is how the world works. You can bust ass or get busted.

Except, in many cases I've seen, it doesn't matter if you've busted someone. Whoever gets there first, wins, regardless of how they got there. No, that's not true in many cases, but it IS true in many cases.

I'd probably have a hard time refraining from cheating in college. I believe that copyright and trademark laws should be stricken from the books. Everything's fair game.

<shrug>

 

[randay]

blackmail him for money, then after he pays, tell on him, then poop on his front porch, take pictures when he cleans it up, and post it here. = ftw

 

[Mill]

You've got to turn him in. There's no fair reason he should be able to trample on your rights and get a better grade because he cheated. Now, if you weren't competing for a grade I wouldn't turn him in. Why? Because one day his ignorance and "taking it easy" to get a good grade will catch up to him in the real -- not academic -- world, and the consequences will be great.

 

[Goosemaster]

use an anonymous proxy + some other neat tricks to setup a foreign email account (@ yahoo mexico or something).

Use a public terminal to email this:

to the fell grad:


-one, a letter describing what you found, and that you are reporting it to the professor in, let's say, three days. let him know your feelings but not your identity. let him know that you paid good money for the chance at EARNING a graduate degree, and that no one will stand in your way at tarnishing the pride, the sheer exaltation that you will feel the day you are handed your LEGITMATE doctorate. Let him know that his actions are an infringement on the validity of this class and the validity of yoru degree.

then let him know that you are giving them those three days to confront the professor and appeal for mercy.

then let him know that in three days, regardless of that outcome, you will email the professor usign yet another foreign fallcified account to confirm his admittance of guilt or an explication of what happened. If the truth is not told, you will respond in turn by email the professor the compelte details of the infraction.

make sure you let him know that you are giving him the chance to talk to the professor of his own accord and retain his self-respect.

make sure you let him know that if he is not at fault, you will still contact the profssor to find out.


[/if this doesn;t work, jsut fsck it and send me some solar burgers]