growth hormone rBGH is a health disaster

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Gibsons
What a horrible, sensationalistic, unreferenced piece of crap that article is. It's about as convincing and well reasoned as the article warning against dihydrogen monoxide.

dude, really, read up on bovine growth hormone. it's not a rosey picture.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/CONSUMER/CON00068.HTML

c'mon Amused, you should know better. the FDA approves and then disapproves of drugs all the time. i find them less than god-like in their recommendations.

ever wonder why girls are starting puberty earlier and earlier? how about the ingesting of hormones? could that be it?

im pretty sure it is that Mosh, and HOLY SH!T we agree son something BGH is bad REALLY FREEKING BAD, now that page linked into the op is also VERY BAD, cause that dude is a nut job, however that does not change the fact that BGH is horrid for the cows and has perminent lasting effects on humans

its illegal to use in many countrys around the world, as they have done their own studies and determined it was very bad
if it wasent so bad, Reporters wouldent have Sued FOX News for forceing them to LIE about BGH, because they were saying it was bad, - most people prob dont even know this

fox undercover was gonna run a story on it, the story was gonna be about it being bad, Monsanto (makers of BGH) are/were a major ad sponsor of Fox, story never aired, they were forced to change it again and again, finially the reporters sued Fox under the whistle blower statute - won, but lost on appeal as the judge ruled that its not agains the law for the news to not tell the truth

 

[moshquerade]

here's some info for those in denial that bovine growth hormone is not safe.
rBGH causes mastitis in cows. the farmers treat that with penicillin. the penicillin DOES end up in the milk. we consume this antibiotic and the overexposure leads to antibiotic resistance which means the antibiotic won't work when we need to take it when we are actually sick.
this trend with penicillin's growing ineffectiveness is well documented.

The Monsanto rBGH product, sold under the trade name Posilac, comes with an insert sheet containing information about the drug. The Posilac insert sheet says, in part, "Cows injected with Posilac are at an increased risk for clinical mastitis (visibly abnormal milk). The number of cows affected with clinical mastitis and the number of cases per cow may increase. In addition, the risk of subclinical mastitis (milk not visibly abnormal) is increased. In some herds, use of Posilac has been associated with increases in somatic cell counts." [11] Somatic cell counts are another name for pus in milk. The insert sheet mentions other health effects of rBGH on cows: "Use of Posilac has been associated with increases in cystic ovaries and disorders of the uterus during the treatment period." And: "Use of Posilac may result in increased digestive disorders such as indigestion, bloat, and diarrhea."

There is abundant evidence that, when cows get mastitis, farmers give them antibiotics. Mastitis (or the pus it puts into milk) is a major cause of lost revenues to dairy farmers. According to the U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO), FDA has approved use of 30 antibiotics on dairy cows but an additional 50 antibiotics are suspected of being used illegally on dairy cows. A 1988 Illinois survey found over 200 different animal drugs on dairy farms, 58% of them not approved for use on dairy cows. Furthermore, the routine tests that FDA applies to milk nationwide can only detect 4 types of antibiotics, so FDA is not in a position to protect consumers from illegal use of antibiotics (which are sold without prescription at farm supply stores). Antibiotic residues in milk --which seem certain to increase with rBGH use --may cause adverse allergic reactions in some consumers, and very likely will contribute to development of strains of bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics, thus reducing the effectiveness of antibiotic medicinals against human and animal diseases. [12]

http://www.ejnet.org/rachel/rhwn382.htm

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Gibsons
What a horrible, sensationalistic, unreferenced piece of crap that article is. It's about as convincing and well reasoned as the article warning against dihydrogen monoxide.

dude, really, read up on bovine growth hormone. it's not a rosey picture.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/CONSUMER/CON00068.HTML

c'mon Amused, you should know better. the FDA approves and then disapproves of drugs all the time. i find them less than god-like in their recommendations.

ever wonder why girls are starting puberty earlier and earlier? how about the ingesting of hormones? could that be it?

Oh I don't know. How about you produce some valid peer reviewed and independently repeated studies showing any harm from it's use in dairy and meat cows?

Oh, wait... you cannot.

Here's a hint folks: Until you have valid peer reviewed and independently repeated studies showing any harm, it's all rumor and speculation... if not outright fear mongering.

This is a LOT like the Aspartame case. A lot of screaming, and NO valid proof of harm.

i guess you are just going to gloss over what i have said about the FDA?
you must follow them blindly.

I guess you're just going to gloss over the scientific method?

You must like believing in mythology rather than facts.

see my post above, and argue those facts.

 

[franksta]

Danger by association in the very first paragraph. Its manufacturer, the Monsanto Corporation, also manufactured the deadly Agent Orange. I didn't read the rest, I don't need to.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Gibsons
What a horrible, sensationalistic, unreferenced piece of crap that article is. It's about as convincing and well reasoned as the article warning against dihydrogen monoxide.

dude, really, read up on bovine growth hormone. it's not a rosey picture.

dude, really, I suspect I know more about it than most.

I know what growth hormone is, I know what IGF is, I know what prions are and I know crap when I see it. That article = crap.

There are some legitimate concerns re rBGH, but sensationalistic misrepresentations like that article shouldn't be taken seriously.

since you "know more that most" about it tell me what are some legitimate concerns with rBGH.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Gibsons
What a horrible, sensationalistic, unreferenced piece of crap that article is. It's about as convincing and well reasoned as the article warning against dihydrogen monoxide.

dude, really, read up on bovine growth hormone. it's not a rosey picture.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/CONSUMER/CON00068.HTML

c'mon Amused, you should know better. the FDA approves and then disapproves of drugs all the time. i find them less than god-like in their recommendations.

ever wonder why girls are starting puberty earlier and earlier? how about the ingesting of hormones? could that be it?

im pretty sure it is that Mosh, and HOLY SH!T we agree son something BGH is bad REALLY FREEKING BAD, now that page linked into the op is also VERY BAD, cause that dude is a nut job, however that does not change the fact that BGH is horrid for the cows and has perminent lasting effects on humans

its illegal to use in many countrys around the world, as they have done their own studies and determined it was very bad
if it wasent so bad, Reporters wouldent have Sued FOX News for forceing them to LIE about BGH, because they were saying it was bad, - most people prob dont even know this

fox undercover was gonna run a story on it, the story was gonna be about it being bad, Monsanto (makers of BGH) are/were a major ad sponsor of Fox, story never aired, they were forced to change it again and again, finially the reporters sued Fox under the whistle blower statute - won, but lost on appeal as the judge ruled that its not agains the law for the news to not tell the truth

yes, i am aware of the whole thing that went down with Fox over this.

the danger of rBGH is a big coverup orchestrated by Monsanto. anyone who knows me knows i generally don't take this side of things, but i truly believe rBGH is bad stuff.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Gibsons
What a horrible, sensationalistic, unreferenced piece of crap that article is. It's about as convincing and well reasoned as the article warning against dihydrogen monoxide.

dude, really, read up on bovine growth hormone. it's not a rosey picture.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/CONSUMER/CON00068.HTML

c'mon Amused, you should know better. the FDA approves and then disapproves of drugs all the time. i find them less than god-like in their recommendations.

ever wonder why girls are starting puberty earlier and earlier? how about the ingesting of hormones? could that be it?

Oh I don't know. How about you produce some valid peer reviewed and independently repeated studies showing any harm from it's use in dairy and meat cows?

Oh, wait... you cannot.

Here's a hint folks: Until you have valid peer reviewed and independently repeated studies showing any harm, it's all rumor and speculation... if not outright fear mongering.

This is a LOT like the Aspartame case. A lot of screaming, and NO valid proof of harm.

i guess you are just going to gloss over what i have said about the FDA?
you must follow them blindly.

I guess you're just going to gloss over the scientific method?

You must like believing in mythology rather than facts.

see my post above, and argue those facts.

I repeat my statement:

How about you produce some valid peer reviewed and independently repeated studies showing any harm from it's use in dairy and meat cows?

Oh, wait... you cannot.

Anecdotal evidence and speculation are as worthless an no evidence at all.

If there is harm, it needs to be verified by at least two independent studies finding the same results. As of now, there are many studies on BGH, most find no harm and all the ones finding harm have NOT been independently repeated. So while worrisome, they are NOT proof of anything.

Critical thinking and knowledge of the scientific method is your friend, here.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

http://www.ejnet.org/rachel/rhwn382.htm

Gee, even your source admits this:

Although human health effects of milk from rBGH-treated cows are uncertain...

Lots of hype, and no proof...

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Gibsons
What a horrible, sensationalistic, unreferenced piece of crap that article is. It's about as convincing and well reasoned as the article warning against dihydrogen monoxide.

dude, really, read up on bovine growth hormone. it's not a rosey picture.

dude, really, I suspect I know more about it than most.

I know what growth hormone is, I know what IGF is, I know what prions are and I know crap when I see it. That article = crap.

There are some legitimate concerns re rBGH, but sensationalistic misrepresentations like that article shouldn't be taken seriously.

since you "know more that most" about it. tell me what are some legitimate concerns with rBGH.

Concerning human consumption of cattle treated with it?

It's mostly indirect; the immune system of the cattle appears to be weakened, leading to an increase in antibiotic use. The dairy industry over/misuses antibiotics already, this simply compounds the problem. This leads to increases in emergent antibiotic resistances, and perhaps is also an issue for the rare human that might be allergic to the small amounts of the antibiotics found in the milk or beef. But that can happen in the absence of rBGH. rBGH has nothing to do with mad cow disease (that's diet). BGH IGF levels in milk or meat aren't a concern for whatever eats milk or meat. They're both peptides after all. That article purports that the increased IGF levels found in meat will have a direct effect on those that consume the meat. Pretty close to an outright lie.

If you're concerned about the health and well-being of the cows, that's another issue.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: FoBoT
your berret needs more tinfoil mosh

please educate yourself before you spew off played out messageboard quips.

:laugh:

w0w , you must be so much smarter than the rest of us

 

[Abe Froman]

It doesn't matter, we are all Vegan PETA supoorters....

(I am definitely eating a steak burrito for lunch)

 

[FoBoT]

i am going to eat an extra helping of beef today just to spite the conspiracy theorists

 

[sonz70]

Since, you guys are all sprouting off, and not really doing any backup research, here is some papers/peer reviewed articles on Bovine Growth Hormone, and the active
drug that is used in it Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/prostate_igf.html

Before all you P&N veterans knock the link, it provides references from Universities and Health Government funded organizations.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
ever wonder why girls are starting puberty earlier and earlier? how about the ingesting of hormones? could that be it?

I don't know squat about the scientific side of things, but no one can dispute that girls are starting to develop earlier. That's a fact. I have friends who are buying training bras for 9 and 10-year-old daughters. Clearly there is something to the connection.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sonz70
Since, you guys are all sprouting off, and not really doing any backup research, here is some papers/peer reviewed articles on Bovine Growth Hormone, and the active
drug that is used in it Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/prostate_igf.html

Before all you P&N veterans knock the link, it provides references from Universities and Health Government funded organizations.

They may be peer reviewed, but all admit mixed results with previous studies and none of the findings have been independently repeated. Again, while worrisome, none are proof of harm, and even your link admits it.

 

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: sonz70
Since, you guys are all sprouting off, and not really doing any backup research, here is some papers/peer reviewed articles on Bovine Growth Hormone, and the active
drug that is used in it Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/prostate_igf.html

Before all you P&N veterans knock the link, it provides references from Universities and Health Government funded organizations.

If you do research on Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) you will learn that 1) It can be digested by the human body while in the presence of milk, this is not true for Beef, so beef has no risk, as the human body breaks down IGF-1 in the presence of the body's stomach acids. Milk on the other hands protects the IGF-1 so it has the chance to enter the bloodstream. Knowing this, your research if you truly do want to learn about this, should be centered around IGF-1 in milk and milk products. Also, do not search for US sites, as the FDA has already approved it, instead look for other countries papers that have banned it, and find out why they have. I don't feel like doing the research right now, and even though like Amused said, it is still up in there air as concrete evidence. But it is more like Tobacco was up in the air of whether it caused cancer or not, sure there is no concrete evidence, but there is enough links to make people worried, and validate future research. Not to disporve it, but to find out where the links are comming from and fix it.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: sonz70
Since, you guys are all sprouting off, and not really doing any backup research, here is some papers/peer reviewed articles on Bovine Growth Hormone, and the active
drug that is used in it Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/prostate_igf.html

Before all you P&N veterans knock the link, it provides references from Universities and Health Government funded organizations.

You have to inject BGH or IGF (or have cells produce them) to see those effects. They're both peptides. You know what that means, right?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: moshquerade
ever wonder why girls are starting puberty earlier and earlier? how about the ingesting of hormones? could that be it?

I don't know squat about the scientific side of things, but no one can dispute that girls are starting to develop earlier. That's a fact. I have friends who are buying training bras for 9 and 10-year-old daughters. Clearly there is something to the connection.

Why is there clearly "something to the connection?"

Yes, people are going through puberty sooner, but to make a leap of faith and blame something without any valid proof is rather absurd, don't you think?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: moshquerade
ever wonder why girls are starting puberty earlier and earlier? how about the ingesting of hormones? could that be it?

I don't know squat about the scientific side of things, but no one can dispute that girls are starting to develop earlier. That's a fact. I have friends who are buying training bras for 9 and 10-year-old daughters. Clearly there is something to the connection.

Why is there clearly "something to the connection?"

Yes, people are going through puberty sooner, but to make a leap of faith and blame something without any valid proof is rather absurd, don't you think?

you can think it's a mere coincidence, but then what is the answer?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: FoBoT
your berret needs more tinfoil mosh

please educate yourself before you spew off played out messageboard quips.

:laugh:

w0w , you must be so much smarter than the rest of us

i research instead of spouting out one liners, so yes, i am more informed than you on this topic.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sonz70
Since, you guys are all sprouting off, and not really doing any backup research, here is some papers/peer reviewed articles on Bovine Growth Hormone, and the active
drug that is used in it Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/prostate_igf.html

Before all you P&N veterans knock the link, it provides references from Universities and Health Government funded organizations.

They may be peer reviewed, but all admit mixed results with previous studies and none of the findings have been independently repeated. Again, while worrisome, none are proof of harm, and even your link admits it.

so, you admit it's worrisome.

c'mon, which is it? you can't have it both ways. either the idea of what this is doing to us as the consumers of milk concerns you or it doesn't.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: moshquerade
ever wonder why girls are starting puberty earlier and earlier? how about the ingesting of hormones? could that be it?

I don't know squat about the scientific side of things, but no one can dispute that girls are starting to develop earlier. That's a fact. I have friends who are buying training bras for 9 and 10-year-old daughters. Clearly there is something to the connection.

Why is there clearly "something to the connection?"

Yes, people are going through puberty sooner, but to make a leap of faith and blame something without any valid proof is rather absurd, don't you think?

Hormones affect puberty, and there are plenty of hormones in our food. No question about those two things. Now there may be no peer-reviewed scientific proof that there's a connection, but it's certainly a reasonable conclusion to me. In the meantime I've not heard a single plausible alternative explanation to why kids are developing so young.

Friends whose kids have grown up in Africa are not exhibiting such early development. Unless there are hormones in the air, I'm betting it's the hormones in the food.

So to me it's not a real leap of faith.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sonz70
Since, you guys are all sprouting off, and not really doing any backup research, here is some papers/peer reviewed articles on Bovine Growth Hormone, and the active
drug that is used in it Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/prostate_igf.html

Before all you P&N veterans knock the link, it provides references from Universities and Health Government funded organizations.

They may be peer reviewed, but all admit mixed results with previous studies and none of the findings have been independently repeated. Again, while worrisome, none are proof of harm, and even your link admits it.

so, you admit it's worrisome.

c'mon, which is it? you can't have it both ways. either the idea of what this is doing to us as the consumers of milk concerns you or it doesn't.

The purported links between silicone breast implants and connective tissue diseases were worrisome too. Look how that turned out.

Do the few, unrepeated studies worry me? A little, but not enough to stop drinking milk or eating meat. I will with-hold any fear of such a thing until proven to cause harm. As it stands, there is no, none, nada proof of harm.

Critical thinking IS your friend. Not knee-jerk reactionsm to fear.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sonz70
Since, you guys are all sprouting off, and not really doing any backup research, here is some papers/peer reviewed articles on Bovine Growth Hormone, and the active
drug that is used in it Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/prostate_igf.html

Before all you P&N veterans knock the link, it provides references from Universities and Health Government funded organizations.

They may be peer reviewed, but all admit mixed results with previous studies and none of the findings have been independently repeated. Again, while worrisome, none are proof of harm, and even your link admits it.

so, you admit it's worrisome.

c'mon, which is it? you can't have it both ways. either the idea of what this is doing to us as the consumers of milk concerns you or it doesn't.

The purported links between silicone breast implants and connective tissue diseases were worrisome too. Look how that turned out.

Do the few, unrepeated studies worry me? A little, but not enough to stop drinking milk or eating meat. I will with-hold any fear of such a thing until proven to cause harm. As it stands, there is no, none, nada proof of harm.

Critical thinking IS your friend. Not knee-jerk reactionsm to fear.

i wouldn't call this a knee-jerk reaction. your denial will come back to haunt you.
mark my words.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sonz70
Since, you guys are all sprouting off, and not really doing any backup research, here is some papers/peer reviewed articles on Bovine Growth Hormone, and the active
drug that is used in it Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/prostate_igf.html

Before all you P&N veterans knock the link, it provides references from Universities and Health Government funded organizations.

They may be peer reviewed, but all admit mixed results with previous studies and none of the findings have been independently repeated. Again, while worrisome, none are proof of harm, and even your link admits it.

so, you admit it's worrisome.

c'mon, which is it? you can't have it both ways. either the idea of what this is doing to us as the consumers of milk concerns you or it doesn't.

The purported links between silicone breast implants and connective tissue diseases were worrisome too. Look how that turned out.

Do the few, unrepeated studies worry me? A little, but not enough to stop drinking milk or eating meat. I will with-hold any fear of such a thing until proven to cause harm. As it stands, there is no, none, nada proof of harm.

Critical thinking IS your friend. Not knee-jerk reactionsm to fear.

i wouldn't call this a knee-jerk reaction. your denial will come back to haunt you.
mark my words.

No denial here. There is nothing to deny. Until it is PROVEN that harm occurs, I have nothing to deny.

Meanwhile, come back to haunt me? Really? How so?