Growing weary of religious moral hypocrisy

[MrSquished]

No different than Progressheviks. Racist, bigot, misogynistic fascists claiming everyone else is a racist, bigot, misogynistic fascist. The extreme zealot attitude in a belief system from the right and left wing nuts allows disturbed individuals to flourish.

You make Storm Chaser seem almost normal in some ways. But honestly you two should get together. Your minds are both melted in complimenting ways.

 

[ivwshane]

No different than Progressheviks. Racist, bigot, misogynistic fascists claiming everyone else is a racist, bigot, misogynistic fascist. The extreme zealot attitude in a belief system from the right and left wing nuts allows disturbed individuals to flourish.

I bet he doesn’t see the irony in his post at all.

 

[woolfe9998]

In case anyone is curious, Duggar got 12.5 years, scheduled for release August 2032.

Josh Duggar's Federal Prison Sentence Has Been Extended

(This story contains descriptions of child sexual abuse materials.)

www.buzzfeednews.com

Also, he may be in solitary confinement just now, which oddly I'm not going to lose any sleep over.

 

[trenchfoot]

The hypocricy is bad enough. But what's worse is they want to legislate their hypocricy into law as if they somehow hold the moral high ground over the "heathen socialists". I mean, they want Trump of all people to return to the Whote House fer cry'in out loud and apparently they don't see the supreme hypocricy and irony in it at all. Fundamentalist Christians hailing Trump as their savior. Can't they at least see how convoluted and sickening their religious beliefs are for them to somehow justify having an adulterating selfish huckster who lies with ease as their Chosen One? Damnation on a burning cross how could they ever reconcile that into believing their faith in God led them to Trump.

 

[eelw]

Fundamentalist Christians hailing Trump as their savior. Can't they at least see how convoluted and sickening their religious beliefs are for them to somehow justify having an adulterating selfish huckster who lies with ease as their Chosen One? Damnation on a burning cross how could they ever reconcile that into believing their faith in God led them to Trump.

Yup when asked in 2015/16 about the orange monkeys affairs, response we’re not voting him for pope. But yeah all these he’s our saviour now Very selective thoughts they take from the bible.

 

[nOOky]

I don't care about the hypocritical religious cult members at all, let them think whatever the hell they want, it's a free country. The problem is we should have zero tolerance in this country for their fucked up belief system affecting anyone but themselves. Fuck off with your moral hypocrisy, keep it out of my life and my government please.

 

[trenchfoot]

I don't care about the hypocritical religious cult members at all, let them think whatever the hell they want, it's a free country. The problem is we should have zero tolerance in this country for their fucked up belief system affecting anyone but themselves. Fuck off with your moral hypocrisy, keep it out of my life and my government please.

The problem with that is so many clergy have politicized their pulpits. They have strayed out of their lane into oncoming traffic and have veered off into the Devil's Den of politics where they have joined hands with the likes of Marge Green, Boebert, Trump, DeSantis, etc. of whom are the epitomy of what the Church should declare as inhumane works of Satan himself yet there they all are, the Church and the GOP both preaching hate, fear, suspicion and divisiveness in order to forcefully legislate the majority of the nation under heel.

They want to deny the rest of the nation their ability to choose their lifestyles and beliefs by denying them their ability to democratically choose their leaders. The Constitution is not working in their favor and they are determined to not let that Document and the Bill of Rights get in their way.

 

[woolfe9998]

Found some interesting old articles on this. Josh had in 2015, before the kiddy porn charges, called himself "the biggest hypocrit ever." One of his sisters came out a couple years ago and called him a hypocrit, among other things.

In that vein, Daily Beast wrote this article challenging whether Josh is "the biggest," listing other examples of moral hypocrisy among Christians.

Duggar Not ‘Biggest Hypocrite Ever’

Those of us who laugh at these stories are privileged enough to be able to laugh. Not everyone is so lucky.

www.thedailybeast.com

Good article, but what they are all missing is that it isn't just the perps who are hypocrits. What about the "Family Research Council" hiring him to head their lobbying branch, when they knew he had a history of molesting his sisters?

Hypocrisy is systemic with these people. Just look at how they excuse and rationalize the deplorable behavior of one Donald Trump. For them, hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.

 

[sportage]

I look at the biblical aspect (bear with me) of religious evangelicals who are always talking about THE RAPTURE or THE END OF TIMES, or the biblical REVELATIONS.

Scripture also warns of false prophets that will fool millions. Another interesting thing about god and biblical prophecy is when god "blinds" people from the ability to see the truth. To me, that is the key and the most interesting thing about what is currently happening, his blinding of the people from seeing the truth. And necessary to fulfill biblical prophecy.

When prophecy warns of false prophets and the deception of millions it's not talking about the deception of Muslims or atheist or Hindus, it refers to the deception of Christians. Muslims and Hindus and atheist are not Christian in the first place so how can they be deceived? Wisdom folks, wisdom....

Say hello to Donald Trump. The perfect example of biblical prophecy fulfillment in the works. Millions will be deceived: they are and have been. False prophets: the preaching of Trumpism from the pulpit. Blind to the truth: there you have it, followers of Trump and especially Christian followers of Trump having absolutely lost their ability to tell right from wrong. As if they've been blinded by god.

It's all right there, what is and has been happening to politics and Christianity. And it only gets worse. However, isn't it quite ironic when we have Christian evangelicals who are suppose to know better and who are expected to know biblical scripture yet they fail to see when it comes to Donald Trump.
And also considering the question, what has Donald Trump actually done for Christian evangelist to warrant such loyalty to Donald Trump? Seriously, what is it?
Do they take their pro-life marching orders from a man who pays off prostitutes? Or who has multiple marriages? Or who has multiple offspring from different women? Is that the moral Donald Trump they so admire? And this is only one example of Trump immorality.

BLIND!!! They are blind. They have been blinded to the truth and this is in fact fulfillment of biblical prophecy straight out of the Bible. This is such massive biblical fulfillment it surpasses any of the biblical wonders Moses brought onto Pharaoh to free the Israelites.
And it tells us one thing for sure....
That these Trumpies are never going to change, never going to see the truth, never going to give up on Donald Trump no matter how many times Trump is indicted and convicted and imprisoned. Trump followers have been blinded. And apparently, according to scripture, this is the way god wants it.

God does work in mysterious ways and Donald Trump is about as mysterious as they come.
But do not expect any of the Trump loyal Christian fanatics to ever change or to awaken. They won't.... They can't... Its prophecy.

 

[woolfe9998]

So I just watched the Prime docu-series "Shiny Happy People" about the Duggar family. The family is part of an ultra-conservative Christian group called the "Institute in Basic Life Principles" (IBLP). It is supposed to be a system for how to raise your kids, including how to home school them, which all the Duggar kids were. It was founded by this televangelist named Bill Gothard. He teaches Christian families to mercilously beat their kids until their will and spirit are broken, until they are pliable and will always obey. Wives can be beaten as well for not obeying their husbands.

And anything even remotely to do with sex is strictly forbidden. They do not watch television, listen to radio, or even buy most common consumer products (Cabbage Patch Kids are a Satanic product, for example.) Gothards instructional writings are full of references to sex and various "perversions." What would be your guess about Gothard from all that?

Sure enough, he had to step down from IBLP in 2015 because 34 women accused him of molstation/assaut/rape, including several who were minors at the time. How did I know that's how it would turn out when I looked him up on wiki while I was still in the middle of watching the documentary? I mean, I was certain of it.

Anyway, the documentary says the Duggars beat their kids, like all the time. That this was covered up in their reality TV show, which showed everything through a rosy lens. Also, they were made to feel filthy for anything remotely to do with sex. The documentary posits that this created a "forbidden fruit" fantasy which is likely what gave Josh the idea of molesting his sisters to begin with.

These are the people who are trying to take over the country right now. We need to resist.

 

[dank69]

So I just watched the Prime docu-series "Shiny Happy People" about the Duggar family. The family is part of an ultra-conservative Christian group called the "Institute in Basic Life Principles" (IBLP). It is supposed to be a system for how to raise your kids, including how to home school them, which all the Duggar kids were. It was founded by this televangelist named Bill Gothard. He teaches Christian families to mercilously beat their kids until their will and spirit are broken, until they are pliable and will always obey. Wives can be beaten as well for not obeying their husbands.

And anything even remotely to do with sex is strictly forbidden. They do not watch television, listen to radio, or even buy most common consumer products (Cabbage Patch Kids are a Satanic product, for example.) Gothards instructional writings are full of references to sex and various "perversions." What would be your guess about Gothard from all that?

Sure enough, he had to step down from IBLP in 2015 because 34 women accused him of molstation/assaut/rape, including several who were minors at the time. How did I know that's how it would turn out when I looked him up on wiki while I was still in the middle of watching the documentary? I mean, I was certain of it.

Anyway, the documentary says the Duggars beat their kids, like all the time. That this was covered up in their reality TV show, which showed everything through a rosy lens. Also, they were made to feel filthy for anything remotely to do with sex. The documentary posits that this created a "forbidden fruit" fantasy which is likely what gave Josh the idea of molesting his sisters to begin with.

These are the people who are trying to take over the country right now. We need to resist.

Never seems to be an end to how fucked up that whole situation is/was.

 

[Moonbeam]

As I mentioned, the way to destroy children is to put them down so they hate themselves. This family is unusual only in that it is far on the extreme of the spectrum. We all have experienced this.

 

[woolfe9998]

The documentary frequently refers to this IBLP group as a "cult," which I found interesting. It does bear many of the earmarks of a cult, including the charismatic leader who takes sexual liberties with female followers. But as I listened to these former members describe the group and their beliefs: corporal punishment to maintain order and discipline, sex is dirty, have tons of children, females are subservient to their husbands, etc. I just kept thinking that this sounds a lot like mainstream conservative evangelical Chrisitianity. So isn't it giving the fundies a pass to refer to this specific group as a cult? I mean, at most, this group is slightly more extreme than the typical evangelicals.

We may have to re-think what is a "cult." Currently it seems to refer to relatively small religions, or more extreme off-shoots of larger religions. But it seems to me that at least the American evangelical version of Christianity is a lot like a cult. I mean, one obvious comparison is the way they take they homeschool their kids so that there are no outside influences.

Incidentally, the documentary refers to something called "the Joshua generation," which is a mutli-generational plan to breed an army of homeschooled fundies and have them run for office or seek other positions of power. This is why Jim Bob Duggar was running for Arkansas Senate again just 2 years ago even though his son was on trial for kiddy porn.

Generation Joshua - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Moonbeam]

Highly damaged people, people with extreme cases of self hate are driven by their intense feelings of worthlessness to seek a life that has meaning, but meaning to the ego, our delusional self flattery that is the bandage we use to keep that feeling from conscious awareness. Operators, people who have discovered they can use the weaknesses of others to provide for their own needs often create cults that promise others a life of self importance by dutifully fulfilling the needs of the operator in exchange for his or her flattery. The greater the slimy behavior that will be praised the larger the potential membership.

Cults would not exist without the emotional neediness created by self hate. Thank God Almighty I use the toothpaste that 9 out of 10 dentists recomment. Are you the chump that isn't on the band wagon?

 

[pmv]

We may have to re-think what is a "cult." Currently it seems to refer to relatively small religions, or more extreme off-shoots of larger religions. But it seems to me that at least the American evangelical version of Christianity is a lot like a cult. I mean, one obvious comparison is the way they take they homeschool their kids so that there are no outside influences.

I think size is an important element in defining a cult. As soon as a group gets large enough it tends to become more tolerant, unavoidably. A large group can't help but have to accommodate the different circumstances of its membership, if it's to hold together, so its ideology becomes less rigid. Protestantism, with its tendency to schism and form smaller-and-smaller sects is probably more prone to it than Catholicism.
There's a reason, I guess, why the word "Catholic" gets used in an entirely non-religious sense (as in "he has very Catholic tastes in music")

Interesting issue, though - seems it partly depends on the nature of the society it exists within and how much political power it has in that society. A larger 'religion' can probably be more cult-like, despite its size, if it has a lot of power within its host society (thinking of Catholicism in Ireland in the past, and the whole of Europe in the more-distant past). And not forgetting that there are many different types of cult, many of them with almost no relation at all to traditional religion as such.

In the US, the cult-like offshoots of Christianity seem to have a history of gaining excessive influence in the 'mainstream' religion, via political means.

 

[HomerJS]

I love how defenders of this hypocrisy use their tired old defense of #bothsides.

Don't you people have a more convincing lie?

 

[Mai72]

I look at the biblical aspect (bear with me) of religious evangelicals who are always talking about THE RAPTURE or THE END OF TIMES, or the biblical REVELATIONS.

Scripture also warns of false prophets that will fool millions. Another interesting thing about god and biblical prophecy is when god "blinds" people from the ability to see the truth. To me, that is the key and the most interesting thing about what is currently happening, his blinding of the people from seeing the truth. And necessary to fulfill biblical prophecy.

When prophecy warns of false prophets and the deception of millions it's not talking about the deception of Muslims or atheist or Hindus, it refers to the deception of Christians. Muslims and Hindus and atheist are not Christian in the first place so how can they be deceived? Wisdom folks, wisdom....

Say hello to Donald Trump. The perfect example of biblical prophecy fulfillment in the works. Millions will be deceived: they are and have been. False prophets: the preaching of Trumpism from the pulpit. Blind to the truth: there you have it, followers of Trump and especially Christian followers of Trump having absolutely lost their ability to tell right from wrong. As if they've been blinded by god.

It's all right there, what is and has been happening to politics and Christianity. And it only gets worse. However, isn't it quite ironic when we have Christian evangelicals who are suppose to know better and who are expected to know biblical scripture yet they fail to see when it comes to Donald Trump.
And also considering the question, what has Donald Trump actually done for Christian evangelist to warrant such loyalty to Donald Trump? Seriously, what is it?
Do they take their pro-life marching orders from a man who pays off prostitutes? Or who has multiple marriages? Or who has multiple offspring from different women? Is that the moral Donald Trump they so admire? And this is only one example of Trump immorality.

BLIND!!! They are blind. They have been blinded to the truth and this is in fact fulfillment of biblical prophecy straight out of the Bible. This is such massive biblical fulfillment it surpasses any of the biblical wonders Moses brought onto Pharaoh to free the Israelites.
And it tells us one thing for sure....
That these Trumpies are never going to change, never going to see the truth, never going to give up on Donald Trump no matter how many times Trump is indicted and convicted and imprisoned. Trump followers have been blinded. And apparently, according to scripture, this is the way god wants it.

God does work in mysterious ways and Donald Trump is about as mysterious as they come.
But do not expect any of the Trump loyal Christian fanatics to ever change or to awaken. They won't.... They can't... Its prophecy.

Bart Erhman (New Testament scholar) just came out with his new book: "Armageddon What the Bible Really Says About the End" He argues that Revelations wasn't meant for an audience 2000 years from when it was written. Revelationw was meant for the ancient current audience of the day. For example, when 666 has nothing to do with the number of the beast. 666, or 661 when translated means NERO. The emperor NERO, and not the devil. The author at that time had to hide his intentions when writing the book, or else the powers in Rome would have had him killed. The book when you read it in the context of the day is directed at Rome. It has nothig to do with the end of times. How many predictions were made that the end was neigh? Evangelicals are still engaged in this thought. Christanity is a cult. The largest cult, but still a cult nothingless.

Just about every New Testament (NT) scholars beleive that the historical Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet. If you read the first gospel Mark it reads like an end times book. Mark 9:1 And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.” Mark 13:30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. The end times predictions are multiply attested in Mark M, L and Q. Our earliest gospels. Once we get to Luke and John we get a deemphasizing of this apocalyptic message. Where the message of the end times isn't supossed to be this thing that is to happen during the time of the disciples lives Luke 17-21 (if you're interested), where it not something that will be observed. The early message Jesus apocalyptic message is muted in the later gosples. Jesus was a 1st century apocalyptic preacher who during his time thought the end was near, and that God's kingdom was coming soon. And it didn't happen. When you put the pieces together: Jesus earliest ministry is with John the Baptist, who was also an apocalyptic preacher. The later end of if after Jesus dies, Paul states in 1 Thessalonians 4, and 1 Corinthians 15 that he believes that Jesus will come back during his life time. When you look at all of these historical facts, and get to the key in the middle it clearly that it was an apocalypti message, and it wasn't something that was supossed to concern people 2000 years later. It was supossed during that time which passes contextual credibility, which we know during this time the Jews were being assaulted and oppressed by the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Romans, etc. The message during this entire time was hold on a little longer. God is going to intervene and make everything right.

Also, the fact that we don't have ONE first hand account of Jesus resurrection. Not ONE. We have stories. The 500. The women at the tomb, Jesus disciples are just stories. We don't know the exact burial of Jesus (many scholars believe Jesus was thrown into a ditch, or left to rot where he passed away) and the many contridictions in the gospels. Jesus miracles are only attested in the bible, which were written by Christian Greek writers 40 years after his passing. It was basically a game of telephone in the ancient times when people were highly superstitious. We have ZERO contemporary 3rd party accounts of any miracle. Not one.

In the end if you believe Jesus and the resurrection, and the many miracles he performed you do so for theological and not historical reasons. Most "Christians" don't even know what is behind their faith. You have heard couch potatoes? These peeople are pew potatoes. Ignorant. Lazy. Afraid that their belief might be shaken, because deep down most people fear death. The simple fact that when we pass away its over. But, if you tell people that a heaven exist and that is where all te happy people are its all good. And of course YOU have the correct relgion. God loves ME ME ME!! Those other people are all bound for hell. How egotistical and selfish. To think that the universe actually cares about your feelings. But hey. If I can get to heaven where I'll be able to eat chocolate ice cream and play video games its all good.

 

[hal2kilo]

Hypocrisy is really nothing new. It's why I walked away from it before majority age. I did like that you could sing, even though you didn't have a good voice.