Grow Up or Die

[Atreus21]

I'm an agnostic/athiest, and I am struck by Maher's hypocrisy.

He doesn't have all the answers either and is FAR from humble.

It's a bit of the pot kettle thing here and just so funny that he doesn't see it.

Meanwhile, there are far too many people, religious or not, who are far too worried what other people are believing or doing.

MYOB, do your own thing, leave others alone and shut the fuck up.

If more people did this the world would be a happier place.

I am catholic, and for the most part I agree.

I suppose an objection to your post, however, might be this question: "If you have something good, and someone else is deprived of it, wouldn't you be a good person to share it with them?"

Whether or not religion is good is not my question. but I can say that's the motivation for religious folk caring about what other people are doing.

 

[Mursilis]

Indeed it is a basic function of human nature, which is why we would definitely be better served by having fewer things in the name or service of which we can commit unspeakable atrocities.

Religion is another variation of weed that grows from the same evil seed. That doesn't mean it should be spared the herbicide.

You missed the point. Why should we even try to eradicate it? Religion, like science, gov't, law, and lots of other institutions, is neutral; it is only "good" or "bad" when we twist it toward our own pre-conceived wishes, as some sort of justification for our actions. Getting rid of it would solve nothing - there's still plenty of other justifications out there.

 

[piasabird]

You could just do a planet of the apes marathon and come to your own opinions.

 

[RearAdmiral]

I am quite religious if you want to put it that way. I wanted to rent this some day. Then I saw Maher's face on the box and he looked like a guy that needed to get punched in the face. I really dislike those weasel looking people. I don't like listening to people that remind me of animals.

People need to find their ways through life I guess. I asked for my proof in my late teens and I got it. The last thing I want to do is brainwash my kids like illustrated in that bible camp movie. I really do think things like that are a shame, because when most of them leave home they turn into nuts as they aren't accustomed to the world and what it is actually like.

Man some people are miserable too, maybe this guy should be more worried about thinking about why evolution made him look like a rodent or why God made him look like that cause he sounds like an alarmist tard. End of the world people annoy me. I'd rather enjoy my current life, rapture or nuclear war or not.

 

[TheDoc9]

You missed the point. Why should we even try to eradicate it? Religion, like science, gov't, law, and lots of other institutions, is neutral; it is only "good" or "bad" when we twist it toward our own pre-conceived wishes, as some sort of justification for our actions. Getting rid of it would solve nothing - there's still plenty of other justifications out there.

This.

Perhaps for another view of things, some people here should give Brave New World a read.

 

[cubeless]

You missed the point. Why should we even try to eradicate it? Religion, like science, gov't, law, and lots of other institutions, is neutral; it is only "good" or "bad" when we twist it toward our own pre-conceived wishes, as some sort of justification for our actions. Getting rid of it would solve nothing - there's still plenty of other justifications out there.

because the new religion wants the old baby thrown out with the bathwater...

and i believe that it's not the followers in most cases, it's that an alpha sociopath/narcissist (like maher) who arises and picks a genre to exploit to gain power... the fact of life is that there's a large pool of folk out there who need something in their life that they can't seem to generate themselves... when the right fisherman puts out the bait that fills their need (their prejudice, longing, guilt, etc...) they clamber aboard... if the leader is a false prophet then the lead get hosed...

maher would love to be the rev moon of his new religion... he sees what gw has done for algore and is, to turn the phrase, envious of the green...

 

[zsdersw]

You missed the point. Why should we even try to eradicate it? Religion, like science, gov't, law, and lots of other institutions, is neutral; it is only "good" or "bad" when we twist it toward our own pre-conceived wishes, as some sort of justification for our actions. Getting rid of it would solve nothing - there's still plenty of other justifications out there.

You apparently missed my point too. Why shouldn't we try to eradicate it? Your claim is that it wouldn't solve anything. I never claimed it as the solution, merely as a part of it.

 

[StageLeft]

I'm an agnostic/athiest, and I am struck by Maher's hypocrisy.

He doesn't have all the answers either and is FAR from humble.

Humility is probably the last thing anybody would ever associate with Maher, I agree.

 

[Jaskalas]

You apparently missed my point too. Why shouldn't we try to eradicate it? Your claim is that it wouldn't solve anything. I never claimed it as the solution, merely as a part of it.

When talking of eradication it's a wonder if you're any different.

 

[Amused]

You apparently missed my point too. Why shouldn't we try to eradicate it? Your claim is that it wouldn't solve anything. I never claimed it as the solution, merely as a part of it.

I have an idea! Let's build some camps and round up all the people in the religions you don't like and reeducate them? If that doesn't work, we can find a final solution to the religion question by gassing them.

Yes, that's it. Eradication is the key!!!

 

[cubeless]

When talking of eradication it's a wonder if you're any different.

meet the new boss... same as the old boss...

 

[WHAMPOM]

but therein lies the rub... bumblepie and his ilk are now fully informed by studying the collected works of the scholars maher, moore, and stewart... and they're gonna vote to prove it...

Let's not forget Mark Twain, Will Rogers and George Carlin. All the others going back to ancient Greece holding religion up to ridicule.

 

[Munky]

The plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live...
Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking...

Sensationalist bullsh!t.

Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do

So does climatology.

Doubt is humble, and that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting shit dead wrong. This is why rational people, anti-religionists

Since when is being anti-religious make someone rational?

...must end their timidity and come out of the closet and assert themselves.

And have just as high chance of being dead wrong, isn't that right, genius?

If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest

Apparently ignorance is not limited to the religion

To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a mafia wife...

To do otherwise is up to personal choice of free will, jackass.

If the world does come to an end... decimated by the effects of religion-inspired nuclear terrorism...

Not to mention, inflicted by the WMD's which don't exist...

...let's remember what the real problem was

I didn't see any mention of fraud, imperialism or bank-owned government... keep looking.

 

[HumblePie]

Let's not forget Mark Twain, Will Rogers and George Carlin. All the others going back to ancient Greece holding religion up to ridicule.

To add more fuel to the fire here are some other names like Thomas Payne, Abe Lincoln, and the makers of South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, and Richard Dawkins.

Bleh, many people of the past have used humor and ridicule to present their views on Religion. Many under the guise of "humor" and "comedy". Many others under different forms of mediums.

My point cubeless, is that the presentation doesn't change the meaning of the message they person is trying to convey. Just because you disagree with their assertions means nothing.

Also, actually READ my post where I put in problems I found with Maher's "documentary" where he got a number of facts wrong with his film. Never once did I say the movie was something I "subscribed" to or was basically the greatest thing since sliced bread. You really are a serious troll who has yet to use proper capitalization, punctuation, and spelling; yet seem to find a slight mishap by others the sole basis for dismissing their entire argument.

Oh and nonlnear, medium is the correct word in the way that I used it in regards to comedy.

Yes comedy is a genre, but in the context I used the word it is a medium.

Medium: An agency by which something is accomplished, conveyed, or transferred

Bill Maher is using comedy as a medium to convey his assertions about religion in his movie.

 

[Zebo]

Well sorry to say Bill - Religion will always be the gift that keeps on giving. Christians are encouraged to multiply. Mormons well lets just say I've seen a mormon families with 9-12. Muslims, the perfect man Mo, who all Muslims should emulate had 9 and they breed like rabbits too. Orthodox Jews too.

 

[zsdersw]

When talking of eradication it's a wonder if you're any different.

I have an idea! Let's build some camps and round up all the people in the religions you don't like and reeducate them? If that doesn't work, we can find a final solution to the religion question by gassing them.

Yes, that's it. Eradication is the key!!!

meet the new boss... same as the old boss...

Okay guys, you got me. I really *do* want to force people to drop religion like a hot potato or else I'll boil them down for glue. I loathe the idea of eradicating religion by reducing and eventually eliminating, through voting, its influence on the governmental levers of power in society. It's such a time-consuming task over so many election cycles, especially compared to the alternative of just forcing everyone to do what I want lest they die. Every post I've made to ATPN has been a complete lie.. I'm nowhere near as reasonable and level-headed as those posts would make it seem.

Oh well, back to the drawing board to come up with more sinister plots.

 

[Zebo]

Start in ME. Go to a Ramalah street corner and tell them to stop believing in fairies in the sky. Have someone video tape it. I'd pay to see it.

 

[Amused]

Okay guys, you got me. I really *do* want to force people to drop religion like a hot potato or else I'll boil them down for glue. I loathe the idea of eradicating religion by reducing and eventually eliminating, through voting, its influence on the governmental levers of power in society. It's such a time-consuming task over so many election cycles, especially compared to the alternative of just forcing everyone to do what I want lest they die. Every post I've made to ATPN has been a complete lie.. I'm nowhere near as reasonable and level-headed as those posts would make it seem.

Oh well, back to the drawing board to come up with more sinister plots.

😀

Well, at least you came back with good humor.

Intolerance is bad coming from any direction. Took me years to learn that.

 

[zsdersw]

Intolerance is bad coming from any direction.

And I've been so intolerant, too.. Every chance I get I harass those with whom I disagree. I'm such a bastard that way. The selective, impersonal way I share my opinions on these issues here is just a mask.

 

[Amused]

And I've been so intolerant, too.. Every chance I get I harass those with whom I disagree. I'm such a bastard that way. The selective, impersonal way I share my opinions on these issues here is just a mask.

LOL! Well, using the word "eradicate" when speaking of people's beliefs is rather intolerant language.

Last guy to try that is pretty infamous.

 

[zsdersw]

LOL! Well, using the word "eradicate" when speaking of people's beliefs is rather intolerant language.

Last guy to try that is pretty infamous.

I was the first one to use the term in the discussion, too, not Mursilis.. so it's just that much worse for me.

 

[Amused]

I was the first one to use the term in the discussion, too, not Mursilis.. so it's just that much worse for me.

No, but you wanted to weed it out with herbicide. He just simplified the term for ya. LOL

BTW, Herbicide is ineffective, but I hear Zyclon-B is very effective. 😛

 

[zsdersw]

No, but you wanted to weed it out with herbicide.

Well, of course I was referring to exterminating people and forcing them to comply, not voting fanatical religious people out of power. It was perfectly reasonable for you and others to make that your first conclusion.

 

[Jaskalas]

Let us remember the original premise of this whole topic.

Grow Up or Die

*cough*

Think like me, or die. Sound like any religions you know?

 

[zsdersw]

Think like me, or die. Sound like any religions you know?

Many. Some sound like that currently, others sounded like that more in the past.