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I used a semi colon.. You try to type with a blunt in one hand and tryin' to black-lung it.

Ok, it?s fixed, JUST FOR YOU

Laws like these breed contempt for the government and are a big reason so many Americans hate those who run their country.
If...the machine of government...is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law.
Henry David Thoreau
 

IndieSnob

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Originally posted by: cobalt
Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Pot heads have long tried to mention the utilitarian uses of hemp when deep down all they really want is to legally get "stoned". I say yes, exploit its utiliarian uses to the fullest however arrest those who inhale the smoke of or ingest said plant to become "stoned".

Dope is for dopes.

Yes, let's arrest those that smoke pot. Do you know how many criminal acts are commite due to marijuana? The numbers are absolutely insane! Potheads murdering others for their fixes, getting high and beating their families. I mean the list goes on and on! We must stop this now before our country is destroyed.

I hope that was sarcastic.. If it was I need to check my radar... Marijuana isn't phsychally addictive like cocaine, heroin, etc. It isn't a narcotic that makes people go crazy. And I've never heard of people going crazy for pot... when it's also so readily available, and easily grown.


Yes, order new batteries for your sarcasmn meter
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OFFascist

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Originally posted by: latinmom2
I agree it should be decriminalized but that will not happen since no major politician has the balls to suggest it.

This is how I think we will eventually have legalized marijuana.

Canada is going to eventually legalize it in a few years.

Then American tobacco companies are going to want to get into the action, so they will lobby to have it legalized. Then it will eventually be legalized and you will be able to go into any convience/grocery store and buy marijuana smokes just like cigarettes now. This will have the added bonus of fvcking over all the "lets ban smoking" people for a while.
 

XZeroII

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I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|
 

OFFascist

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|

Once again I ask who cares about the stoners or whatever possible "side effects."

Think about the money. Most corporations do.

People kill themselves using cars, guns, swimming pools, and other countless ways by using things improperly and whatnot.

Who cares if people get stoned or high or whatever. If they arent causing any problems then leave them alone. If they are causing problems well then beat thier asses, kill them, throw them in jail, whatever is appropriate for the situation.

We shouldnt restrict this product just because some people want to get high off of it, infact I think we probably should legalize other drugs, because I really dont care if people OD on it, they deserve it for being stupid.
 

Painman

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|

:cookie;

Actually you can thank Dupont Chemical for "ruining it for the rest of us"

Dupont established itself as the world leader in synthetic fibres, with such new inventions as Nylon and Raylon, with the aid of the global outlawing of one of the most useful natural fibres, hemp. This was achieved in the US by the1937 Marijuana Transfer (Tax) Act, which was passed in the same year DuPont patented both nylon and the polluting wood-pulp sulfide (sulfur dioxide) process used to make paper. The Act was the result of political pressure and a sustained propaganda campaign by du Pont and logging and oil companies.

Americans were familiar with hemp, which was widely grown and used as fibre, oil and paper, the propagandists began circulating stories of the dangers of the drug "Marijuana". Marijuana was the Mexican word for cannabis used for it's racist conations and as an excuse to prohibit hemp, despite the fact that hemp cultivated as a fibre crop is a strain that contains less than thirtieth of the amounts of psychoactive compounds than cannabis bred for it's high.

Hemp produces four times as much paper as trees and does not require the sulfur-based acid chemicals used to break down the glue-like lignin that binds the fibers of wood pulp. Hemp would be a much less damaging way of making many of du Pont's products, but without them profiting, as this plant grows easily without chemicals and could not be patented. Back in 1935, more than 58,000 tons of hemp seed alone, were used just to make non-toxic paint paint and varnish.

Source: "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer

And you can also thank William Randolph Hearst...
In the early days of our nation, the hemp plant (a.k.a. cannabis) proved a valuable resource for hundreds of years, instrumental in the making of fabric, paper and other necessities. This changed during the Industrial Revolution, which rendered tree-pulp papermaking and synthetic fibers more cost-effective through the rise of assembly line manufacturing methods. A more efficient way of utilizing hemp was a bit slower in coming.It was not until the early 1930's that a new technique for using hemp pulp for papermaking was developed by the Department of Agriculture, in conjunction with the patenting of the hemp decorticator (a machine that revolutionized the harvesting of hemp). These innovations promised to reduce the cost of producing hemp-pulp paper to less than half the cost of tree-pulp paper. Since hemp is an annually renewable source, which requires minimal chemical treatment to process, the advent of hemp pulp paper would allegedly have been better for the environment than the sulfuric acid wood-pulping process. Hemp had many champions, who predicted that its abundance and versatility would soon revitalize the American economy. William Randolph Hearst, media mogul, billionaire and real-life model for Orson Welles' Citizen Kane, had different ideas. His aggressive efforts to demonize cannabis were so effective, they continue to color popular opinion today.In the early 1930's, Hearst owned a good deal of timber acreage; one might say that he had the monopoly on this market. The threatened advent of mass hemp production proved a considerable threat to his massive paper-mill holdings -- he stood to lose many, many millions of dollars to the lowly hemp plant. Hearst cleverly utilized his immense national network of newspapers and magazines to spread wildly inaccurate and sensational stories of the evils of cannabis or "marihuana," a phrase brought into the common parlance, in part due to frequent mentions in his publications.

The sheer number of newspapers, tabloids, magazines and film reels that Hearst controlled enabled him to quickly and to effectively inundate American media with this propaganda. Hearst preyed on existing prejudices by associating cannabis with Mexican workers who threatened to steal American jobs and African-Americans who had long been the subject of white American venom (see accompanying articles). An ironic side-note: much of this racism had already been perpetrated by the propaganda of Hearst, an unabashed racist. The American people had already developed irrational hatred for these racial groups, and so readily accepted the ridiculous stories of their crazed crimes incited by marihuana use.

Hearst was not alone in his scheme to destroy hemp production. The new techniques also made hemp a viable option for fabric and plastics, two areas of manufacturing which together with paper seriously threatened DuPont chemicals, which at this time specialized in the chemical manufacturing of synthetic fiber and plastics, and the process of pulping paper. In fact, Hearst and Lammont DuPont had a multi-million dollar deal in the works for joint papermaking. So these two moguls, together with DuPont's banker, Andrew Mellon, bravely joined forces to stave off the bitter onrush of bankruptcy. They combined Hearst's yellow journalism campaign (so called because the paper developed through his and DuPont's methods aged prematurely) and the appointment of Mellon's nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to Commissioner of the newly created Federal Bureau of Narcotics in order to successfully stamp out the threat of hemp production.

This document may be reproduced whole or in part for "Reefer Madness" promotional purposes.
 

IndieSnob

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|


What are these harmful side effects you speak of? The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center here in Seattle just released findings that smoking marijuana does not cause mouth or lung cancer.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|


What are these harmful side effects you speak of? The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center here in Seattle just released findings that smoking marijuana does not cause mouth or lung cancer.

Link please? I would like to read up on that. I have always heard how much worse for your health a joint was compared to a pack of cigarettes. It would be interesting to read over these findings. After taking my hit on the blunt that has been passed through this post first though :)
 
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I have always heard how much worse for your health a joint was compared to a pack of cigarettes.
Lungs: joint is on-par w/ a pack of cigarettes; mouth: not so bad *but anytime you inhale SMOKE you are doing something bad to your body*

This is because you don't smoke cigarettes the same way you do weed, and because pot itself has a higher burning temperature.

If anyone does toke, I suggest you get a .vaporizer; it eliminates most carcinogens in marijuana as THC has a much lower boiling point than the temperature needed to catch the marijuana itself on fire. Now that doesn?t make it safe or counter most of the negative personal or spiritual costs, but it does reduce likelihood of cancer.

The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products;
on-issue argument:

although from a utilitarian stance the proliferation of marijuana use would
1.) reduce both GDP and crass-consumerism,
2.) increase occurrence of heart-disease emphysema and cancer while
3.) reducing fertility rates;

We must take into account the economic and human cost of prosecuting people for non-violent offenses.
you also need to take into-account that this should be a free country complete with the freedom to make your own bad-decisions in life: provided that they hurt no one else.

I think we should license people to use and buy alcohol tobacco or marijuana, revoking the license if used in a socially irresponsible manner *i.e. drunk/stoned-driving*, intoxication while around kids, etc
 

IndieSnob

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|


What are these harmful side effects you speak of? The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center here in Seattle just released findings that smoking marijuana does not cause mouth or lung cancer.

Link please? I would like to read up on that. I have always heard how much worse for your health a joint was compared to a pack of cigarettes. It would be interesting to read over these findings. After taking my hit on the blunt that has been passed through this post first though :)



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I was sure I had heard it reported as lung also, but this covers the mouth cancer I talked about.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|

Brownies!
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|
Wait... let me get this straight, because corporations felt that hemp hurt their bottom line and paid the government off to demonize/criminalize the smoking of marijuana, it's the marijuana smokers who's fault it is that marijuana and hemp are illegal?
Do you really think that if hemp didn't have it's high THC partner that the corporations wouldn't have figured out another way to destroy the production of hemp?
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|
Wait... let me get this straight, because corporations felt that hemp hurt their bottom line and paid the government off to demonize/criminalize the smoking of marijuana, it's the marijuana smokers who's fault it is that marijuana and hemp are illegal?
Do you really think that if hemp didn't have it's high THC partner that the corporations wouldn't have figured out another way to destroy the production of hemp?

That's right. What possible excuse could our gov't have for outlawing it if people were not harming themselves with it? None that I can think of. Corporations could give the gov't all the money they want, and our gov't would still have to find some way to convince the public that there is a reason why it is illegal. The sad truth is that it is the pot-smoking people out there that have ruined all this. You will not hear this though because those people will not own up to this. They use all these great products and services as reasons why it should be legalized because they want to smoke it and these products are a stepping stone to their goal. Everyone knows it. Look at the responses to any thread regarding pot. Everyone knows it and that is why we go without.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: OFFascist
Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|

Once again I ask who cares about the stoners or whatever possible "side effects."

Think about the money. Most corporations do.

People kill themselves using cars, guns, swimming pools, and other countless ways by using things improperly and whatnot.

Who cares if people get stoned or high or whatever. If they arent causing any problems then leave them alone. If they are causing problems well then beat thier asses, kill them, throw them in jail, whatever is appropriate for the situation.

We shouldnt restrict this product just because some people want to get high off of it, infact I think we probably should legalize other drugs, because I really dont care if people OD on it, they deserve it for being stupid.

The side effects are obvious. A simple search on google will get you all the info you need.
 

OFFascist

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
The side effects are obvious. A simple search on google will get you all the info you need.

Once again I ask why should we care about whatever minor side effects exist from smoking marijuana.

Alcohol and tobacco have side effects and its still available for public consumption. So why should we care about the side effects of marijuana when there is so much more potential to make money off of it.
 
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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: OFFascist
Originally posted by: XZeroII
I have no problem with using hemp for good. The problem is that marij. DOES have harmful side effects when inhaled, and it's those irresponsible people who have prevented it from being used in other products; not big corporations. You can post little stories like this all you want, but you are avoiding the actual issue. You try to blame it on others because you can't handle the truth. As I said, it is a great product that could do a ton of good, and I thank all of you stoners out there for ruining it for the rest of us :|

Once again I ask who cares about the stoners or whatever possible "side effects."

Think about the money. Most corporations do.

People kill themselves using cars, guns, swimming pools, and other countless ways by using things improperly and whatnot.

Who cares if people get stoned or high or whatever. If they arent causing any problems then leave them alone. If they are causing problems well then beat thier asses, kill them, throw them in jail, whatever is appropriate for the situation.

We shouldnt restrict this product just because some people want to get high off of it, infact I think we probably should legalize other drugs, because I really dont care if people OD on it, they deserve it for being stupid.

The side effects are obvious. A simple search on google will get you all the info you need.


on-issue argument:

although from a utilitarian stance the proliferation of marijuana use would
1.) reduce both GDP and crass-consumerism,
2.) increase occurrence of heart-disease emphysema and cancer while
3.) reducing fertility rates;

We must take into account the economic and human cost of prosecuting people for non-violent offenses.

you also need to take into-account that this should be a free country complete with the freedom to make your own bad-decisions in life: provided that they hurt no one else.

Or do you submit that anti-marijuana laws hurt individuals needlessly: as the argument can also be made for tobacco, a drug that kills millions and we don't put people in prison for?

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I think we should license people to use and buy alcohol tobacco or marijuana, revoking the license if used in a socially irresponsible manner *i.e. drunk/stoned-driving*, intoxication while around kids, etc.

I want to discourage people from smoking weed, but having it illegal just leads to a general dis-regard to all drug-laws. It wouldn't be a gateway drug if it wasn't illegal.
 

Moonbeam

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One side effects of pot that is really dangerous is that it can make you think. That is a really bad thing for first time offenders.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
One side effects of pot that is really dangerous is that it can make you think. That is a really bad thing for first time offenders.
YEP!, Now thanks for trying: feel free to insert a random platitude whenever the mood strikes you again.
 

chrisms

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Many of you don't understand; the arguement isn't about the effects of marijuana, it is about whether or not the government has the right to outlaw it. There are much more harmful things than marijuana which are still legal, yet don't provide the resources which it would if it were legalized. Obviously it wasn't outlawed for the reasons we were told, and obviously it remains outlawed because no politician has the guts to step forward.