Greenland's Ice Cap Retreating...Fresh Water Diluting North Atlantic

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If it doesn't happen within the next 40 years I couldn't care less as I will be dead and buried by then.

Nice to see you dont care about your family future!!!

:disgust:

Ese not my problem Mon!

This is the exact short sightedness that is wrong with human thinking today. I know I will be alive in 40 years and so will my children and maybe their children.

what exactly buzzes around the minds of you envirowakos that makes you think we can change global weather?

Uh...you got that backwards there. The Ice Age is going away. You see...glaciers are melting.

melting flaciers = colder temperatures in england; just look at everything else that's at the line of latitude for info on what england SHOULD be like.

We are changing Global Weather.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: conjur
That would be a localized ice age (if there is such a thing.)

The ice caps are receding globally. Antarctica is shrinking. Greenland's ice cap is receding. North American glaciers are receding.

So what? That does not mean that a future ice age is not likely, with more fresh water in the oceans it is likely that there will be a ice age.

Riiiiiggghhht.

That's how it's worked for eons.

Glad to see you're finally realizing that now.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Were not changing the weather. This is just the natural cycle that has been going on since God created the earth.

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Were not changing the weather. This is just the natural cycle that has been going on since God created the earth.

Every year the temps have gone up steadily since the early 1900's. America's industrial output took off during that time period and has grown ever since, so its safe to assume thats part of the reason. Not to mention 140 million cars, trucks and buses in America.

God gave us a beautiful earth, but we humans are trashing it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Were not changing the weather. This is just the natural cycle that has been going on since God created the earth.

Every year the temps have gone up steadily since the early 1900's. America's industrial output took off during that time period and has grown ever since, so its safe to assume thats part of the reason. Not to mention 140 million cars, trucks and buses in America.

God gave us a beautiful earth, but we humans are trashing it.

Every year, eh? Nope...not every year but there is a general trend upward:

http://www.agu.org/history/sv/temperature/index.shtml

The bulk of the increase seems to be from 1925-1940 and from 1980-1990 (roughly)

Other data shows increases/decreases in the last 25 years:
http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html


Oh, and btw, God didn't give us anything but that's for another thread.

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Were not changing the weather. This is just the natural cycle that has been going on since God created the earth.

Every year the temps have gone up steadily since the early 1900's. America's industrial output took off during that time period and has grown ever since, so its safe to assume thats part of the reason. Not to mention 140 million cars, trucks and buses in America.

God gave us a beautiful earth, but we humans are trashing it.

Every year, eh? Nope...not every year but there is a general trend upward:

http://www.agu.org/history/sv/temperature/index.shtml

The bulk of the increase seems to be from 1925-1940 and from 1980-1990 (roughly)

Other data shows increases/decreases in the last 25 years:
http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html


Oh, and btw, God didn't give us anything but that's for another thread.

You just made my point for me, thats what I was trying to say.

 

[conjur]

So, you think America is responsible for global warming? That it's not due to a normal warming following a previous ice age?

And, btw, I didn't make your point for you. You were saying temps have gone up every year. That is clearly not the case.

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: conjur
So, you think America is responsible for global warming? That it's not due to a normal warming following a previous ice age?

And, btw, I didn't make your point for you. You were saying temps have gone up every year. That is clearly not the case.

I was trying to say that temps have gone up generally over the last century. Yes, America and other industrial nations have some hand in "weather change". I don't use the phrase global warming because its misleading. The word "climate change" is more accurate.

 

[chess9]

"Were [sic] not changing the weather. This is just the natural cycle that has been going on since God created the earth.]

You got a link? 🙂

-Robert

 

[Skitzer]

These boys are all over this topic LOL Link

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Uh...you got that backwards there. The Ice Age is going away. You see...glaciers are melting.

melting glaciers = colder temperatures in England; just look at everything else that's at the line of latitude for info on what England SHOULD be like.

ice age - any period of time during which glaciers covered a large part of the earth's surface; "the most recent ice age was during the Pleistocene"

Glaciers are melting. That makes the current period the opposite of an ice age.

England is a more temperate climate due to the warm waters of the Gulf Stream.

but that in no way changes that a melting of the glaciers can shut-down the guff stream leading to a 500 or so year cycle ware the glaciers increase in size tll the guff-stream starts once more.

it's all just the natural cycle of the earth; but then i know you know this 🙂

We are changing Global Weather.

so it's faith?

Every year the temps have gone up steadily since the early 1900's. America's industrial output took off during that time period and has grown ever since, so its safe to assume thats part of the reason.

that's illogical, correlation does not prove causation.

If you get a flat tire and run out of gas does that mean that running out of gas causes a flat tire?

You just made my point for me, thats what I was trying to say.

Mars is also experiencing a global increase in temperature, is this from "140k cars and trucks"? The fact is that we've got a solar system wide climate change and what we pettily humans do on earth has very little effect.

One volcano erupting puts more CO2 and sulfur up in the air than does an entire year of the industrialized world's pollution.

we can spew ignorant rhetoric at each other all thread long, if you'd like, but your quite indoctrinated in your faith: not much is going to change it.

 

[sandorski]

LMK: No science and simple observation. On a hot day look out your window, that white cloud hanging over our cities is Human caused. Go to the EPA website and check out their Ozone Maps showing risk ratings, that's Human caused. Your flippant response is Faith and an inability to comprehend how much affect we are having..

 

[chess9]

Sandorski:

You mean it's NOT God's will that the worst air pollution in the U.S. is in and around our U.S. cities?

🙂

http://lungaction.org/reports/stateoftheair2004.html

-Robert

 

[Czar]

also about how much we affect the weather

I bet alot of people have noticed that the good weather is always on weekdays and on weekends its always raining, or thats the case very often. Thats because the particles that come out the exhaust from your car go up into the high skies and water particles start to gather around them and forming droplets which turns then into rain.

Ahhh the wonders of bbc documentaries😀

 

[LightRider]

You just made my point for me, thats what I was trying to say.

Mars is also experiencing a global increase in temperature, is this from "140k cars and trucks"?

Do you realize how many rovers, probes and satellites we've put on Mars recently? All that human activity has to be affecting the climate of Mars. 😉

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: LightRider

You just made my point for me, thats what I was trying to say.

Mars is also experiencing a global increase in temperature, is this from "140k cars and trucks"?

Do you realize how many rovers, probes and satellites we've put on Mars recently? All that human activity has to be affecting the climate of Mars.

touche'

Originally posted by: sandorski
LMK: No science and simple observation. On a hot day look out your window, that white cloud hanging over our cities is Human caused.

a localized greenhouse effect does not a global climate change make.

Go to the EPA website and check out their Ozone Maps showing risk ratings, that's Human caused.

actually it's caused buy upper wind currents.

Your flippant response is Faith and an inability to comprehend how much affect we are having..

no, my flippant response is because there are people who reasonably disagree on both sides, but you come down on one w/out a shred of evidence but a bucket full of rhetoric.

Now, I don?t intend insult, I personlay hold faith that the market system works and don?t need any facts or figures to back that up: just as it seems you?ve got faith in the power of many to destroy the earth.. something a bit silly I think:

At worst the earth will shake us off like a bad case of flees? and if that?s the case: at lest I?ll have dual athlon system to go with me.

 

[Bowmaster]

Were not changing the weather. This is just the natural cycle that has been going on since God created the earth.

Do you really believe that we are not changing the weather? Check out the global concentrations of greenhouse gases during the industrial era:

Human influence on the atmosphere during the industrial era

Do you really think that immense increase is due to "natural" events? Do you really think this will not effect the weather?

Or would you rather delude yourself into thinking nothing is wrong, and that this is really God thanking you for buying that SUV...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: LightRider

You just made my point for me, thats what I was trying to say.

Mars is also experiencing a global increase in temperature, is this from "140k cars and trucks"?

Do you realize how many rovers, probes and satellites we've put on Mars recently? All that human activity has to be affecting the climate of Mars.

touche'

Originally posted by: sandorski
LMK: No science and simple observation. On a hot day look out your window, that white cloud hanging over our cities is Human caused.

a localized greenhouse effect does not a global climate change make.

Go to the EPA website and check out their Ozone Maps showing risk ratings, that's Human caused.

actually it's caused buy upper wind currents.

Your flippant response is Faith and an inability to comprehend how much affect we are having..

no, my flippant response is because there are people who reasonably disagree on both sides, but you come down on one w/out a shred of evidence but a bucket full of rhetoric.

Now, I don?t intend insult, I personlay hold faith that the market system works and don?t need any facts or figures to back that up: just as it seems you?ve got faith in the power of many to destroy the earth.. something a bit silly I think:

At worst the earth will shake us off like a bad case of flees? and if that?s the case: at lest I?ll have dual athlon system to go with me.

1) Localized? Yes, it is local for those living there, that is certain and certainly the effect does not cover the whole Earth, but if you checked out the EPA Maps you'd be shocked what "local" might mean. On a hot day from the South tip of Florida all the way up into Canada and all the way West towards Michigan . That's just 1 very large chunk of the Earth's atmosphere. Now how many other chunks around the world are there? Every city of 1 million+ with a decent economy is also creating their own "local" area. Open your eyes.

2) Nope. The Ozone I'm talking about is that white haze you see hanging over and around cities.

3) Silly? Ok, as I consider your position. Perhaps we should dump Toxic Waste down the drain? Pump Nuclear Waste into the Ocean? There is nary a place on this planet where Humans don't live or work, each and everyday each of us effects our "Local" area, do the math.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Were not changing the weather. This is just the natural cycle that has been going on since God created the earth.

We are accelerating that cycle with pollution, etc.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Were not changing the weather. This is just the natural cycle that has been going on since God created the earth.

EDIT: Damn double post :|

 

[conjur]

A New Ice Age? None Soon, Snow 2 Miles Deep Implies

Despite the recent trend toward global warming, scientists have long wondered whether the earth is nearing another ice age, an end to the 12,000-year temperate spell in which modern civilizations arose. Some have said such a transition is overdue, given that each of the three temperate intervals that immediately preceded the current one lasted only about 10,000 years.

But now, in an eagerly awaited study, a group of climate and ice experts say they have new evidence that earth is not even halfway through the current warm era. The evidence comes from the oldest layers of Antarctic ice ever sampled.

Some scientists earlier proposed similar hypotheses, basing them on the current configuration of earth's orbit, which seems to set the metronome that ice ages dance to. Temperature patterns deciphered in sea-bottom sediments in recent years supported the theory.

But experts say the new ice data are by far the strongest corroborating evidence, revealing many similarities between today's atmospheric and temperature patterns and those of a prolonged warm interval, with a duration of 28,000 years, that reached its peak 430,000 years ago.

The findings are described today in the journal Nature by the European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica.

The evidence comes from a shaft of ice extracted over five grueling years from Antarctica's deep-frozen innards, composed of thousands of ice layers that were formed as each year's snowfall was compressed over time.

The deepest ice retrieved so far comes from layers 10,000 feet deep and dates back 740,000 years. The relative abundance of certain forms of hydrogen in the ice reflects past air temperatures.

Many ice cores have been cut from various glaciers and ice sheets around the world, but until now none have reached back beyond 420,000 years, making this core the first to capture fully the conditions during that long-lasting warm period, called Termination V.

"It's very exciting to see ice that fell as snow three-quarters of a million years ago," said Dr. Eric W. Wolff, an author of the paper who is an ice core expert with the British Antarctic Survey.

Several independent researchers familiar with the project said the case that the current warm period would be prolonged was now strong. Yet even with this new evidence, they said, it is based on a sketchy view of the climatic past.

One expert, Dr. Gerard C. Bond of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, said that even though earth's orbital characteristics were similar to those of 400,000 years ago, and even though sea and ice records showed similar temperatures, one match did not necessarily make a pattern.

Still, Dr. Jerry F. McManus of the the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, an expert on oceans and past climates, wrote a commentary for Nature in which he described the new ice core record as "spectacular."

Dr. McManus said it was particularly important because it gave the first full view of conditions during a past warm interval that, in terms of both the planet's orbit and its atmospheric conditions, was most like the current one.

He and the paper's authors also noted that there was a wild card now that could cause the current era to stray from past patterns: the intensification of earth's natural insulating "greenhouse effect" by smokestack and tailpipe emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases.

Many experts said the most important data from the new ice core were yet to come, because the researchers had only just begun to analyze air bubbles trapped when the various layers formed. The bubbles are an archive of past atmospheric conditions that can show how greenhouse gases and temperatures varied long before humans were an influence.

Dr. Richard B. Alley, an ice core expert at Pennsylvania State University not affiliated with the project, called it "a triumph of brilliant persistence" in the face of broken drills and temperatures of 60 below zero at the drilling site, which is hundreds of miles from the nearest permanent research hub.

"The current publication is something akin to the first run on a new accelerator or the first look at a galaxy through the latest mega-telescope," Dr. Alley wrote in an e-mail message. "The results are clearly of value in and of themselves, but are even more exciting for what they promise in the future."