Greenhouse construction

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I’ve wanted to build a small greenhouse for a long time, starting to think I should do it soon.
I am in the early planning phase.
How does something like this stay on the ground? Would the Wood alone be heavy enough to keep it from tipping during a strong wind storm?


To my surprise my city does not require any permits or require any setbacks regarding a non commercial greenhouse wrapped in foil or plastic. A glass greenhouse is a different thing to my city.

Anyone got a greenhouse?
What should I look for or be aware of.

I have around 10x20 feet worth of space but probably keep it more in the 8x12 feet(ish) range
 

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i built a 10x20 last year using
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Greenhouse-Kit-3-4-or-1-or-1-1-2-Low-Peak-Slope-Flat-Canopy-10x10-20-30-40-50/153831758508?_trkparms=aid=1110002&algo=SPLICE.SOI&ao=1&asc=20201210111451&meid=ddb411cfd92045a2bdf5a8b72f702eb8&pid=101196&rk=4&rkt=12&mehot=pf&sd=153889848675&itm=153831758508&pmt=1&noa=0&pg=2047675&algv=PromotedSellersOtherItemsV2WithMLRv3&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219

this kit for 1 in conduit. I used the 10x30 kit with foot pads and side wall so that i would have 4 posts wide on my 20 foot wall due to our increased snow load. we just had a blizzard with 40 to 50 mph wind and 2 feet of heavy wet snow and the plastic stretched a bit but that's it.

i ordered 12 mil greenhouse plastic from
https://www.agriculturesolutions.co...h-clear-woven-greenhouse-film-12mil-per-sq-ft

the black plastic clip things to hold it on.

I used a screendoor I got off facebook marketplace on one end and built some simple doors that let the opposite end open fully.

I have a 2x6 rim board around the foot pads attached with 2 hole strap clamps that fit tightly. then 2 layers of heavy duty landscape fabric stapled around the rim board and its full of 3/4 black granite gravel for the floor, about 5 inches deep. it was about 20 tons. lots of heat mass. I have 18 in screw in ground anchors on each corner with aircraft cable running up to the side wall joint with a turn buckle for extra ground holding. It has withstood 80 mph winds with no damage.
On the back wall are 2 windows 2 feet by 6 feet at the top of the high side with https://www.amazon.com/Univent-Auto...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=8RWWNTS65BHKANJ7RRN5
they work great. windows are made from the clear plastic panels that Home depot sells. the north ( tall) wall is also insulated with 2 in foam panels with the radiant barrier that are fully taped with the aluminized duct tape, shiny side in to reflect heat / light into the greenhouse instead of loosing it through the back wall.
For winter I have a reclaimed bill board that is black on the back hanging along the back wall to soak up more sun. with 12 55 gal poly barrels full of water and some fans and heat tape under my feed trough planters, we have not had any trouble keeping it above freezing. last night it was 15 degrees outside and the plants were around 40 degrees. We over wintered elephants ear, herbs, and some other tropical plants.

on a sunny day when its below freezing it will still get to over 100 degrees on the green house. fans blow air through the stack of barrels and this provides some cooling during the day and heat at night. the barrels did not freeze, even when the temp was 20 below zero at night and 0 during the day with a little sun. my heat/fan setup took quite a bit of experimenting to get right, but I think we are very close to as good as it gets. The total wattage of electric heat is 700 and I was closer to 2000 watts on my first few iterations.

total cost was around 1k. i had the lumber from a pergola we took down.

i like the metal, its not intrusive at all. i also can roll up the plastic on the front and use the tractor to move large stuff around or take the planters out for summer. you will need to design in a good amount of venting, in the summer we open up the big doors, the windows and open the glass on the screen door to keep it at from getting too hot. with a soft plastic you don't have to worry as much about the angle that the roof is to the sun, with hard panels you do, because of the incident angle of reflection of the surface. also, you should carefully oriented the structure, I opted for about 8 degrees east to catch the morning sun a bit more to get it heating up during the coldest part of the day. if you live somewhere warm, you may want to choose something different.
 

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Current photos. The black paint on the bbls does make some difference, was conducting an experiment. I use wireless tags .net for my temperature humidity and lux tracking. Inkbird temp controller for heat and fans. The power supply is for the big grow light. Cheap box fans work great.
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What exactly do you plan to use this greenhouse for? What is the goal of this greenhouse going to be? Before I build a new greenhouse those are the first two questions I always ask myself.

I have no experience when it comes to building hobby greenhouses like this but the idea has always interested me. I will tell you the two biggest issues I deal with in my greenhouses are heating and cooling. What are your plans for that aspect of the greenhouse you are building?
 
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What exactly do you plan to use this greenhouse for? What is the goal of this greenhouse going to be? Before I build a new greenhouse those are the first two questions I always ask myself.

I have no experience when it comes to building hobby greenhouses like this but the idea has always interested me. I will tell you the two biggest issues I deal with in my greenhouses are heating and cooling. What are your plans for that aspect of the greenhouse you are building?

good question,
Main goal is to have approximately the space we currently have with veggie boxes 80 square feet. Ideally to keep squirrels & groundhogs out. Lengthen the grow season for us and maybe be able to grow some kale or spinach or chard into the winter.
The cooling aspect will be challenging, I am sure I could get power to where it is going. I know people who are good with electric, I have an outdoor plug close(ish) to where the greenhouse would be however I know bringing power to it increases the scope of the job substantially. I would like to keep the total job in the hundreds of dollars range.
Most important goal is my wife said having a greenhouse is a life goal for her.
Bonus stuff would be
if I can automate watering which I think I can run a hose to it with a timer
Running power to it (see above)
Have a second “shelf” of stuff to grow. I know this would be small things because of shadows but it would be nice.
 
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Current photos. The black paint on the bbls does make some difference, was conducting an experiment. I use wireless tags .net for my temperature humidity and lux tracking. Inkbird temp controller for heat and fans. The power supply is for the big grow light. Cheap box fans work great.
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What are the barrels for heat mass or watering or both?
cool setup you have.
 

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What are the barrels for heat mass or watering or both?
cool setup you have.

mostly for heat mass, i put spigots on the top 3 but really don't use them. we just have a couple water jugs and there is water run to the garden behind the greenhouse. in the winter we just use jugs. i may get rid of the bbls if i can get my 4 solar hot water panels going this year, we will see. the panels have parabolic reflectors that can track in them, but the motors are all dead. got them from a county reuse recycle facility.
 

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good question,
Main goal is to have approximately the space we currently have with veggie boxes 80 square feet. Ideally to keep squirrels & groundhogs out. Lengthen the grow season for us and maybe be able to grow some kale or spinach or chard into the winter.
The cooling aspect will be challenging, I am sure I could get power to where it is going. I know people who are good with electric, I have an outdoor plug close(ish) to where the greenhouse would be however I know bringing power to it increases the scope of the job substantially. I would like to keep the total job in the hundreds of dollars range.
Most important goal is my wife said having a greenhouse is a life goal for her.
Bonus stuff would be
if I can automate watering which I think I can run a hose to it with a timer
Running power to it (see above)
Have a second “shelf” of stuff to grow. I know this would be small things because of shadows but it would be nice.

How warm/cold is it where you live? If you'd simply like to keep animals out and extend the growing season, a hoop house would be good enough (and cheap). Clip the plastic when it's cold and replace it with shade cloth or protective netting.
 
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How warm/cold is it where you live? If you'd simply like to keep animals out and extend the growing season, a hoop house would be good enough (and cheap). Clip the plastic when it's cold and replace it with shade cloth or protective netting.

Massachusetts, I have thought about that but when my wife said it is her dream to have a greenhouse, even a small one I know I need to make this happen.
Also it would be great if we could extend the growing season.
My preference would be a wood frame with glass and power but I know budget wise this won’t work.
Next is wood frame with a plexiglass type setup. This would likely require a permit but I am not against getting one.
Next best for me is wood frame with plastic wrap, this does not require a permit and I could possibly upgrade it in the future.
Last choice is pvc or plastic frame with plastic wrap. Not totally against this type build just prefer other options.

Ideally I want something that will last and be solid and not have to worry when heavy snow or wind storms occur.
 
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One alternative to glass and plastic sheeting would be be polycarbonate panels. I think Lexan is a brand name but there are other manufacturers too. Here's a link to the panels I used for the sidewalls on the last two greenhouses I built. The nice thing is you don't have to replace it every 5-7 years like you do the poly film and it has good light transmission and is UV resistant.

Probably not in the budget but just throwing ideas out there for you to explore.

https://www.carlinsales.com/advancedwebpage.aspx?cg=49&cd=3&SKUTYPE=String&SKUFLD=SKU&WEBID=1209
 
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One alternative to glass and plastic sheeting would be be polycarbonate panels. I think Lexan is a brand name but there are other manufacturers too. Here's a link to the panels I used for the sidewalls on the last two greenhouses I built. The nice thing is you don't have to replace it every 5-7 years like you do the poly film and it has good light transmission and is UV resistant.

Probably not in the budget but just throwing ideas out there for you to explore.

https://www.carlinsales.com/advancedwebpage.aspx?cg=49&cd=3&SKUTYPE=String&SKUFLD=SKU&WEBID=1209

Thank you, I saw something like this. Right now I am thinking build some kind of frame use the plastic stuff and replace the plastic stuff with something like this in the future.
 

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I like this style also. We were considering this, but ours is quite a lot larger volume

Not sure why you are discounting a metal frame? Strong, cheap, lasts a long time.

Anyhow. The suntuf panels like this are the ones I like, and use for wind breaks on my turkey shelter, chicken coop, and the greenhouse windows.
 

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Thank you, I saw something like this. Right now I am thinking build some kind of frame use the plastic stuff and replace the plastic stuff with something like this in the future.

You're welcome, like I mentioned above I've never built a hobby greenhouse before but the idea has always intrigued me so if you do decide to pull the trigger on this keep us updated. One thing I do think you should do is build a greenhouse that has that more traditional 1930's look like you linked to above versus the bow design that is more prevalent today.

There is just something decidedly charming about the peaked roof and vertical sidewalls that is hard to deny. Especially considering this is something you and your wife have dreamed about having. It also fits better into a residential setting which is nice. The design you linked to incorporates a lot of those elements which is cool.

Anyway, I'm rambling.....if you remember let us know how the build goes. I would love to see how it turns out. :)
 

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I like this style also. We were considering this, but ours is quite a lot larger volume

Not sure why you are discounting a metal frame? Strong, cheap, lasts a long time.

Anyhow. The suntuf panels like this are the ones I like, and use for wind breaks on my turkey shelter, chicken coop, and the greenhouse windows.


More or less the same as the one I built in 2019.


I built mine 10x10...but wish I'd have gone bigger.
 
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