It's your $89. I'd just rather spend $150-$160 for a 3TB Red drive that I know I'll have for the next three years. It's a question of whether or not you're willing to play the reliability-lottery.
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I could have gotten a 3TB Red Drive for about ~$120 but decided to pass on it, perhaps foolishly. But the point is that it was already possible to get it for that price. $120 vs $90 I'll take the power-sipping, three-year warrantied, higher MTBF rated (even though all MTBF is exaggerated), hard drive meant for 24/7 usage, unlike the crappy "2400 hour" rated Seagates you hold in such high esteem.
My hard drives go into 24/7 machines, not machines that work ~45 hour workweeks. So the Seagates in a software-RAIDed array that gets turned on only once in a while, or in an external enclosure, may be okay... but that isn't 24/7.
If a company is so worried about the cost associated with drives failing after 12 months so that it slices warranties down to one year, that isn't very confidence-inspiring. I use mirrors so I can't have two drives go down back to back; if I hit a bad batch of Seagates, I'm screwed. But the Seagates may do a little better in RAIDZ2/RAID6 arrays... just budget for them to fail... and after you do that, perhaps that $90 isn't so cheap after all. I mean if it burns out after, say, 18 months and you have to replace it for another $90 (because you need to rush delivery at whatever nonsale price it is at that point in time, unless you actually think it's a good idea to use a degraded array for however long it takes for you to get a better sale price), the real cost over that time is $180. $180 is more than $120, and even more than the $150 regular price of WD Red 3TBs.
My hard drives go into 24/7 machines, not machines that work ~45 hour workweeks. So the Seagates in a software-RAIDed array that gets turned on only once in a while, or in an external enclosure, may be okay... but that isn't 24/7.
If a company is so worried about the cost associated with drives failing after 12 months so that it slices warranties down to one year, that isn't very confidence-inspiring. I use mirrors so I can't have two drives go down back to back; if I hit a bad batch of Seagates, I'm screwed. But the Seagates may do a little better in RAIDZ2/RAID6 arrays... just budget for them to fail... and after you do that, perhaps that $90 isn't so cheap after all. I mean if it burns out after, say, 18 months and you have to replace it for another $90 (because you need to rush delivery at whatever nonsale price it is at that point in time, unless you actually think it's a good idea to use a degraded array for however long it takes for you to get a better sale price), the real cost over that time is $180. $180 is more than $120, and even more than the $150 regular price of WD Red 3TBs.
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Don't use a green drive. I use them right now and constantly get write errors and timeouts due to head parking and slow spin up. I have an RE4 in my NAS as well by itself to see if it was the green drives giving me trouble and the RE4 is perfect.
Get the right HDD for the job. IMO the RE4 is worth the extra money.
Get the right HDD for the job. IMO the RE4 is worth the extra money.
Thanks. I basically started coming to this conclusion myself.
I have 3tb and 2tb greens but I've had issues too.
The 7200 Seagates and hitachi have no issues at all.
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$120 for a WD Red 3TB isn't much more than that and it's actually even better when you factor in electricity savings, so the price gap gets pretty damned narrow at that point.
A warranty is not a cure-all and I'd rather it not fail in the first place.
I'm hoping Toshiba will enter the fray with their internal drives sooner rather than later, too. No need to rush into buying anything right now unless you need it right now.
Don't use Greens in hardware RAID. Better yet, don't use hardware RAID. Software RAID, esp. with ZFS, is way better in some ways.
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Intellipark mainly was an issue with linux based OSes. Also ther is a tool (wdidle or so) that you can use to turn that feature off.
Flexraid isn't really raid in the classical sense at all just uses the name. However i don't know if ti has issues with intellipark but I doubt it. However one issue can be for you as user as you have to wait for the drive to spin up.
Have have 3 wd greens 2 are 2.5 years old, no issues at all.
Flexraid isn't really raid in the classical sense at all just uses the name. However i don't know if ti has issues with intellipark but I doubt it. However one issue can be for you as user as you have to wait for the drive to spin up.
Have have 3 wd greens 2 are 2.5 years old, no issues at all.
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I just ordered 2 myself
newegg and amazon were limiting 1 per customer, so I got one from each at 89 and 99 respectively.
I was going to get 3, but i'm starting to have second thoughts about raid
newegg and amazon were limiting 1 per customer, so I got one from each at 89 and 99 respectively.
I was going to get 3, but i'm starting to have second thoughts about raid
So is the Seagate 3TB 7200.14 ok in something like a Synology DS412+? Right now I have 2 2TB WD Greens in there, but I feel weary leaving them in.
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I purchased one of those hyperduo cards (apparently have a risc core in the marvell chip for raid 0/1/10).
I was going to compare benchmarks against software raid in linux
just for fun I suppose.
my thinking was:
raid 0
short stroke two 3TB drives to 1.5TB
for 3TB total
then manual backups to the 3rd 3TB drive
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I would check the support list on their website.
one of the comments on amazon claims they are supported
Your good in a raid box, a motherboard raid array, and any software raid set up.
It's only the higher end enterprise cards with controllers and processors that don't like them because of TLER.
It's only the higher end enterprise cards with controllers and processors that don't like them because of TLER.
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The two I ordered one was made in thailand(amazon) and the other in china(newegg)
were yours all made in the same place ?
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I got 2 of these 7200.14's from the black friday deals too. One was DOA, but Amazon shipped another no problem. Both had 2 year warranty too.
The one from Amazon was made in Thailand and the one from Newegg was made in China.
The one from Amazon was made in Thailand and the one from Newegg was made in China.
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