Green drive vs RED drive vs Cheaper Seagate 7200rpm for use 24/7 WHS server/Flexraid?

Discussion in 'Memory and Storage' started by Mfusick, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. Zxian

    Zxian Senior member

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    It's your $89. I'd just rather spend $150-$160 for a 3TB Red drive that I know I'll have for the next three years. It's a question of whether or not you're willing to play the reliability-lottery.
     
  2. Mfusick

    Mfusick Senior member

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    Well the extended warranty for three years is only 11$

    But I doubt I'd buy it.
     
  3. blastingcap

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    I could have gotten a 3TB Red Drive for about ~$120 but decided to pass on it, perhaps foolishly. But the point is that it was already possible to get it for that price. $120 vs $90 I'll take the power-sipping, three-year warrantied, higher MTBF rated (even though all MTBF is exaggerated), hard drive meant for 24/7 usage, unlike the crappy "2400 hour" rated Seagates you hold in such high esteem.

    My hard drives go into 24/7 machines, not machines that work ~45 hour workweeks. So the Seagates in a software-RAIDed array that gets turned on only once in a while, or in an external enclosure, may be okay... but that isn't 24/7. :)

    If a company is so worried about the cost associated with drives failing after 12 months so that it slices warranties down to one year, that isn't very confidence-inspiring. I use mirrors so I can't have two drives go down back to back; if I hit a bad batch of Seagates, I'm screwed. But the Seagates may do a little better in RAIDZ2/RAID6 arrays... just budget for them to fail... and after you do that, perhaps that $90 isn't so cheap after all. I mean if it burns out after, say, 18 months and you have to replace it for another $90 (because you need to rush delivery at whatever nonsale price it is at that point in time, unless you actually think it's a good idea to use a degraded array for however long it takes for you to get a better sale price), the real cost over that time is $180. $180 is more than $120, and even more than the $150 regular price of WD Red 3TBs.
     
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  4. Mfusick

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  5. Subyman

    Subyman Moderator <br> VC&G Forum

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    Don't use a green drive. I use them right now and constantly get write errors and timeouts due to head parking and slow spin up. I have an RE4 in my NAS as well by itself to see if it was the green drives giving me trouble and the RE4 is perfect.

    Get the right HDD for the job. IMO the RE4 is worth the extra money.
     
  6. Mfusick

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    Thanks. I basically started coming to this conclusion myself.

    I have 3tb and 2tb greens but I've had issues too.

    The 7200 Seagates and hitachi have no issues at all.
     
  7. blastingcap

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    $120 for a WD Red 3TB isn't much more than that and it's actually even better when you factor in electricity savings, so the price gap gets pretty damned narrow at that point.

    A warranty is not a cure-all and I'd rather it not fail in the first place.

    I'm hoping Toshiba will enter the fray with their internal drives sooner rather than later, too. No need to rush into buying anything right now unless you need it right now.

    Don't use Greens in hardware RAID. Better yet, don't use hardware RAID. Software RAID, esp. with ZFS, is way better in some ways.
     
  8. Mfusick

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    Yeah I said in title it's Flexraid.
     
  9. Subyman

    Subyman Moderator <br> VC&G Forum

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    I'm using zfs with nexentastor with out hardware raid and get these issues.
     
  10. Mfusick

    Mfusick Senior member

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    What's benefit of ZFS?
     
  11. beginner99

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    Intellipark mainly was an issue with linux based OSes. Also ther is a tool (wdidle or so) that you can use to turn that feature off.

    Flexraid isn't really raid in the classical sense at all just uses the name. However i don't know if ti has issues with intellipark but I doubt it. However one issue can be for you as user as you have to wait for the drive to spin up.

    Have have 3 wd greens 2 are 2.5 years old, no issues at all.
     
  12. Mfusick

    Mfusick Senior member

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    I ended up getting 4 more 3tb drives for now.

    I'll pick up some Reds if they get cheap
     
  13. Soulkeeper

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    which ones ?
    seagate baracuda ?
     
  14. Mfusick

    Mfusick Senior member

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    Yeah 7200.14

    $89 is great price.

    3 cents per GB
     
  15. Soulkeeper

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    I just ordered 2 myself :)

    newegg and amazon were limiting 1 per customer, so I got one from each at 89 and 99 respectively.
    I was going to get 3, but i'm starting to have second thoughts about raid
     
  16. Mfusick

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    Hardware or software RAID?

    From your motherboard or a controller card?
     
  17. dagamer34

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    So is the Seagate 3TB 7200.14 ok in something like a Synology DS412+? Right now I have 2 2TB WD Greens in there, but I feel weary leaving them in.
     
  18. Soulkeeper

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    I purchased one of those hyperduo cards (apparently have a risc core in the marvell chip for raid 0/1/10).
    I was going to compare benchmarks against software raid in linux
    just for fun I suppose.

    my thinking was:
    raid 0
    short stroke two 3TB drives to 1.5TB
    for 3TB total

    then manual backups to the 3rd 3TB drive
     
  19. Soulkeeper

    Soulkeeper Diamond Member

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    I would check the support list on their website.
    one of the comments on amazon claims they are supported
     
  20. Mfusick

    Mfusick Senior member

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    Your good in a raid box, a motherboard raid array, and any software raid set up.

    It's only the higher end enterprise cards with controllers and processors that don't like them because of TLER.
     
  21. Soulkeeper

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    The two I ordered one was made in thailand(amazon) and the other in china(newegg)

    were yours all made in the same place ?
     
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  22. Mfusick

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    It should work fine. Yes.
     
  23. Mfusick

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    Mine are working great. Just dropped 5 into my server.
     
  24. pwoz

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    I got 2 of these 7200.14's from the black friday deals too. One was DOA, but Amazon shipped another no problem. Both had 2 year warranty too.

    The one from Amazon was made in Thailand and the one from Newegg was made in China.