Greatest pitching rotation of all time

[SP33Demon]

1971 Baltimore Orioles.

Four 20 game winners: Jim Palmer, Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar and Pat Dobson.

/thread

And they had a combined WAR of 13. Maddux and Glavine almost had 13 total (12.3). So solly.

 

[drebo]

You only need 2 great starters to win a world series if you have a good lineup. See Diamondbacks, Arizona.

Either someone will step up and be that #2 guy, or they'll trade for someone. Not a big deal. Isn't it nice rooting for the biggest money team in the only north american team sport without a salary cap? :biggrin:

Salary cap isn't going to bring any additional parity to baseball.

There've been, what, 8 different WS champs in the last 10 years? That's pretty decent.

And a salary cap isn't going to make teams that don't spend money suddenly start spending. Unless it's absurdly low, it's not going to make any difference what so ever. A salary floor, on the other hand, would prevent teams like the Marlins from pocketing all that luxury tax money they get and not using it to upgrade their team.

Look at Boston. They blew shit tons of money this off-season and are doing very poorly. The Yankees last year. Salary doesn't make a team better, and a cap isn't going to make a poorly managed team better either.

 

[KGB]

And they had a combined WAR of 13. Maddux and Glavine almost had 13 total (12.3). So solly.

Okay, ... so have a starting rotation with just Maddox and Glavine.

 

[Perknose]

Pedro Martinez's 1999-2000 seasons are legend though. That was domination

:thumbsup: :wub:

 

[alfa147x]

BRAVES!


Lower

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

Nope, the 66 Dodgers don't hold a candle to Braves/2011 Phils. Neither do the O's of 1971, I did an analysis on it last Fall. The main issue was that they didn't have a studly 4th guy, just three great and one average.

They did not need a 4th guy. And once you get to the playoffs, about the only pitching rotation in modern times that I can see possibly matching DD and SF pitching possibly 6 of 7 games is maybe...the diamondbacks of 7 or 8 years ago IF and only IF Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling are 100% healthy, and even then, DD and SF are just better pitchers.

Wow. You win Lurker of the Century award.

Haha, I like many here, joined but largely read through the tech forums, occasionally posting there or I read through the social forums for amusement some of this shit is funny as hell, when I am sitting at work with nothing to do....

 

[NeoV]

VORP and WAR - while I'm a fan of a number of the newer baseball stats - I'm not a fan of either of these.

Wins and winning percentage you can throw out the window as well

Interesting to note - if you take the list of top 10 "VORP" rotations - from the chart someone linked earlier - if you take all of those rotations - and for each pitcher use their career-best VORP - the Philly rotation is #1 all time.

thtad - no one is arguing that Kofax and Drysdale weren't dominant - but this discussion is about the best rotation - not the best 2 - not the best equipped to win a playoff series, etc - but the best, top-to-bottom rotation - depth being the key here.

 

[Blackjack200]

Salary cap isn't going to bring any additional parity to baseball.

There've been, what, 8 different WS champs in the last 10 years? That's pretty decent.
And a salary cap isn't going to make teams that don't spend money suddenly start spending. Unless it's absurdly low, it's not going to make any difference what so ever. A salary floor, on the other hand, would prevent teams like the Marlins from pocketing all that luxury tax money they get and not using it to upgrade their team.

Look at Boston. They blew shit tons of money this off-season and are doing very poorly. The Yankees last year. Salary doesn't make a team better, and a cap isn't going to make a poorly managed team better either.

That's one way to say it. Another way to say it is that the Yankees or the Red Sox have won the World Series 7 out of the last 15 years.

 

[SP33Demon]

Salary cap isn't going to bring any additional parity to baseball.

There've been, what, 8 different WS champs in the last 10 years? That's pretty decent.

And a salary cap isn't going to make teams that don't spend money suddenly start spending. Unless it's absurdly low, it's not going to make any difference what so ever. A salary floor, on the other hand, would prevent teams like the Marlins from pocketing all that luxury tax money they get and not using it to upgrade their team.

Look at Boston. They blew shit tons of money this off-season and are doing very poorly. The Yankees last year. Salary doesn't make a team better, and a cap isn't going to make a poorly managed team better either.

You can't look at World Series winners because it's too short a series where anything can happen and really a flip of the coin who wins. You have to look at which teams make the playoffs because 162 games (and even 100) is statistically relevant. You shouldn't be surprised to see that the teams with the highest payrolls (e.g. Red Sox/Yankees) are making the playoffs almost every single year. They have the most resources to fix any holes in their teams at the trade deadline.

 

[SP33Demon]

They did not need a 4th guy. And once you get to the playoffs, about the only pitching rotation in modern times that I can see possibly matching DD and SF pitching possibly 6 of 7 games is maybe...the diamondbacks of 7 or 8 years ago IF and only IF Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling are 100% healthy, and even then, DD and SF are just better pitchers.



Haha, I like many here, joined but largely read through the tech forums, occasionally posting there or I read through the social forums for amusement some of this shit is funny as hell, when I am sitting at work with nothing to do....

Keep in mind that what Schilling and Johnson did was almost superhuman. They both pitched on short rest and were overworked to hell and back. This is the exception, not the norm. You will need at least 3 good to great pitchers, unless one of your average pitchers can magically turn into an incredible playoff pitcher (see: Andy Pettitte).

 

[zinfamous]

Speaking of Braves pitchers, anybody remember that crazy fucker John Rocker? :biggrin:

i love that guy. as a Mets fan, of course I hated him out of principle; but he was completely insane. He would get pelted by batteries when he was at Shea. THen there was his SI tirade against New Yorkers and minorities in general.


Hilariously, He later pitched for the Brooklyn Cyclones for a season or two.

 

[zinfamous]

Clemens*

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i saw the thread title and immediately thought: braves, all the way

 

[MotionMan]

FYI:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/greatestrotations

MotionMan

 

[The Boston Dangler]

FYI:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/greatestrotations

MotionMan

early wynn, sounds like a race horse

 

[thtadthtshldntbe]

thtad - no one is arguing that Kofax and Drysdale weren't dominant - but this discussion is about the best rotation - not the best 2 - not the best equipped to win a playoff series, etc - but the best, top-to-bottom rotation - depth being the key here.

The thing is, with DD and SF in the rotation, and any 2 other guys (remember we are talking about the days of the 4 man rotation here), the Dodgers rotation was as good or better than anything seen in modern times.

And there is a school of thought that matching up in a 7 game series is ultimately how you resolve a baseball debate.

Keep in mind that what Schilling and Johnson did was almost superhuman. They both pitched on short rest and were overworked to hell and back. This is the exception, not the norm. You will need at least 3 good to great pitchers, unless one of your average pitchers can magically turn into an incredible playoff pitcher (see: Andy Pettitte).

It was almost superhuman by modern standards. It was normal in the days before the early 1970s.