great, so Nissan's new selling point is ricey looking taillights?

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: BowlingNut
will you people stop bashing rice rockets? what is the matter with you? are you jealous that you dont have the ability or money to transform a car from sh!t to a showpiece? i'm not asian in any sense of te word, but i like rice rockets, i like the bmw 316ti, and i'd rather drive a riced civic over a POS camaro, mustang, or firebird any day. riced cars have the balance between handling and power that is difficult to find in any car under 50k. the chevrolet corvette is one, perhaps the new maseratti, and the bmw m3 spring to mind.
cobras and z28s may have more power under the hood, but they dont have the refinement of character that i want in a car. they may be able to beat me in a drag....but bring it on the track and let me show you that horspower will only get you so far in real racing.

My sarcasm meter has been acting up lately. Please reassure me that you are kidding.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Again ricers miss the point because they don't anything about real cars. 14" Bias refers to the tires. They were very small by todays standards. Basically they would be equal to a p195 75 14. Now try hooking up 375 hp with 3.55 or better rear axle. You spend most of your 0-60 spinning your tires, trying to get traction. A sub 7 sec 0-60 in that situation is considered very good. Put real tires on the Camaro and things change dramaticly. You now see near 6 sec flat 0-60. And quarter mile times in the low 14's - high 13's. Your ricemobile just got its 240 hp ass kicked in the quarter by that "crapmaro".

We won't even mention what some real musclecars can do. Try racing a well tuned 1969 340 Dart. All you will see will be taillights that actually look nice. Feeling lucky? Try racing a 440 6bbl or a hemi car. They may even waste their gas on you when they are finished laughing at your ricemobile.

Since you seem to enjoy making asinine comparisons, I can play the same game. Your sweet 375hp camaro with good tires gets similar times to a ricemobile G35 coupe with 95 less horsepower - which has a better interior/exterior (subjective) and has quite a few more amenities.

You continue to compare your big displacement crapmobiles to teeny econocar ricemobiles.

Your ignorance is showing. I am comparing cars that were brought up in this thread. Can you say 600 lb weight difference? Maybe more? A better comparison would be a 1969 340 Dart. It would still obliterate the ricer and do it with a more reasonable weight. It would also (given decent tires and tuning) give the rally boys a run too.

Did you know that the 1st gen camaros were tiny sporty cars at the time?

Geno: stop proving how little you know. 14 tires have a small selection in widths avalaible. 15 are better on this type of vehicle. The stock size, genius, was the issue. Again ricers keep proving how little they actually know.

So go put that huge Tsunami Spoiler on you Civic and enjoy how cool you are while real enthusiasts try to stop from laughing at you as you cruise around trying to impress the 14 year olds girls.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Your ignorance is showing. I am comparing cars that were brought up in this thread. Can you say 600 lb weight difference? Maybe more? A better comparison would be a 1969 340 Dart. It would still obliterate the ricer and do it with a more reasonable weight. It would also (given decent tires and tuning) give the rally boys a run too.

Did you know that the 1st gen camaros were tiny sporty cars at the time?

Geno: stop proving how little you know. 14 tires have a small selection in widths avalaible. 15 are better on this type of vehicle. The stock size, genius, was the issue. Again ricers keep proving how little they actually know.

So go put that huge Tsunami Spoiler on you Civic and enjoy how cool you are while real enthusiasts try to stop from laughing at you as you cruise around trying to impress the 14 year olds girls.

My ignorance must be showing, but your arrogance is making you look like a prick. 600lb weight difference? Thanks for helping me prove my point. The G35 ricemobile is superior to your camaro in every way imaginable. Want me to bring up some tuned Japanese sports cars?

Wonderful how nostalgia clouds ones memory and judgement.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Again ricers miss the point because they don't anything about real cars. 14" Bias refers to the tires. They were very small by todays standards. Basically they would be equal to a p195 75 14. Now try hooking up 375 hp with 3.55 or better rear axle. You spend most of your 0-60 spinning your tires, trying to get traction. A sub 7 sec 0-60 in that situation is considered very good. Put real tires on the Camaro and things change dramaticly. You now see near 6 sec flat 0-60. And quarter mile times in the low 14's - high 13's. Your ricemobile just got its 240 hp ass kicked in the quarter by that "crapmaro".

We won't even mention what some real musclecars can do. Try racing a well tuned 1969 340 Dart. All you will see will be taillights that actually look nice. Feeling lucky? Try racing a 440 6bbl or a hemi car. They may even waste their gas on you when they are finished laughing at your ricemobile.

Since you seem to enjoy making asinine comparisons, I can play the same game. Your sweet 375hp camaro with good tires gets similar times to a ricemobile G35 coupe with 95 less horsepower - which has a better interior/exterior (subjective) and has quite a few more amenities.

You continue to compare your big displacement crapmobiles to teeny econocar ricemobiles.

Your ignorance is showing. I am comparing cars that were brought up in this thread. Can you say 600 lb weight difference? Maybe more? A better comparison would be a 1969 340 Dart. It would still obliterate the ricer and do it with a more reasonable weight. It would also (given decent tires and tuning) give the rally boys a run too.

Did you know that the 1st gen camaros were tiny sporty cars at the time?

Geno: stop proving how little you know. 14 tires have a small selection in widths avalaible. 15 are better on this type of vehicle. The stock size, genius, was the issue. Again ricers keep proving how little they actually know.

So go put that huge Tsunami Spoiler on you Civic and enjoy how cool you are while real enthusiasts try to stop from laughing at you as you cruise around trying to impress the 14 year olds girls.

You're comparing cars that were brought up in this thread..but didn't you bring them up? Eh..whatever..I don't know about everyone else, but I don't really feel like reading you flame other people about insuffecient tire knowledge..

I am not a "ricer" (Yes, I drive a Corolla..but I don't try to make it look fast)..but your arrogant opinions are..well, arrogant. You are no better than the people you criticize..you may actually be worse, because I don't see them coming around here and insulting others.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap - take your big gas-hog muscle-car, but leave everyone else alone. Your opinion is just that..your opinion. Other people have theirs, you have yours. You disagree..but that's life. Okay?

[/rant]

 

[hungrypete]

Suburu people

hey my girlfriend is a SubAru fan and shes good people

 

[Ju1cyJ]

Jeez, there is so much misinformation in this thread it is scary. When it comes to drag racing, American muscle will always win. There are street driven cars that are faster than the fastest import has ever gone. So don't give me all this sh!t about power to weight ratio, horsepower per liter, and how FWD is the wave of the future. Because when the petal drops, you will lose. Period.

I also hate this dumb ricer comments "well i dont care about quarter mile times, lets take it to the road course and then we will see who is better". Whenever I see that, I just laugh and say "WTF??". First of all, are you seriously trying to tell me that FWD is a better platform for road racing that RWD? Cause if you are you gotta pull your head outta your @ss and greet the real world. Secondly 99.999999999% of the ppl that claim they would rather be road racing, never have! If they had any experience on an open track, they would realize just how sh!tty that FWD turbo is around the corners... ah, the wonderful peaky power of a turbo. You must really like that FWD when you're coming outta the corner, floor it, finally your turbos hit and u just head striahgt, whether or not your wheels are turned. Either way, I would still rather have a z28 with its oh so dated suspension, and its gas hogging small block (i am talkin 69 z28 here), over any nissan g35 (very cool car actually, i am thinking about buying the sports coupe) on the road course. Take a look at the SCCA times for those old z28's, they are fast.

What it comes down to is these kids see fast and the furious, or whatever, and have no money so they kid themselves into thinking civics are fast. Then they point out times for full race ones, or even completly other cars (like supras, which are fast, but not the end all be all of cars by any mean) and think they run those times as well! Its not that I have anything against someone making their car look stupid, because that is their right. It is them talking mad sh!t to me, and making fun of my car, even when I could kick their ass. All the excuses about how I have 4 more cylinders are lame. It doesnt matter, I bought this car you bought that car, your slower, get over it.

Ricers :disgust:

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Ju1cyJ
Jeez, there is so much misinformation in this thread it is scary. When it comes to drag racing, American muscle will always win. There are street driven cars that are faster than the fastest import has ever gone. So don't give me all this sh!t about power to weight ratio, horsepower per liter, and how FWD is the wave of the future. Because when the petal drops, you will lose. Period.

I also hate this dumb ricer comments "well i dont care about quarter mile times, lets take it to the road course and then we will see who is better". Whenever I see that, I just laugh and say "WTF??". First of all, are you seriously trying to tell me that FWD is a better platform for road racing that RWD? Cause if you are you gotta pull your head outta your @ss and greet the real world. Secondly 99.999999999% of the ppl that claim they would rather be road racing, never have! If they had any experience on an open track, they would realize just how sh!tty that FWD turbo is around the corners... ah, the wonderful peaky power of a turbo. You must really like that FWD when you're coming outta the corner, floor it, finally your turbos hit and u just head striahgt, whether or not your wheels are turned. Either way, I would still rather have a z28 with its oh so dated suspension, and its gas hogging small block (i am talkin 69 z28 here), over any nissan g35 (very cool car actually, i am thinking about buying the sports coupe) on the road course. Take a look at the SCCA times for those old z28's, they are fast.

What it comes down to is these kids see fast and the furious, or whatever, and have no money so they kid themselves into thinking civics are fast. Then they point out times for full race ones, or even completly other cars (like supras, which are fast, but not the end all be all of cars by any mean) and think they run those times as well! Its not that I have anything against someone making their car look stupid, because that is their right. It is them talking mad sh!t to me, and making fun of my car, even when I could kick their ass. All the excuses about how I have 4 more cylinders are lame. It doesnt matter, I bought this car you bought that car, your slower, get over it.

Ricers :disgust:

Are you talking to me?

1) It's "pedal"..not "petal".

2) Never did I say anything about FWD/RWD. The car I posted was AWD..and not a bad rally car, IMO.

3) I have never seen the Fast & the Furious.

Arrogant Americans. :disgust:

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Ju1cyJ
Jeez, there is so much misinformation in this thread it is scary. When it comes to drag racing, American muscle will always win. There are street driven cars that are faster than the fastest import has ever gone. So don't give me all this sh!t about power to weight ratio, horsepower per liter, and how FWD is the wave of the future. Because when the petal drops, you will lose. Period.

I also hate this dumb ricer comments "well i dont care about quarter mile times, lets take it to the road course and then we will see who is better". Whenever I see that, I just laugh and say "WTF??". First of all, are you seriously trying to tell me that FWD is a better platform for road racing that RWD? Cause if you are you gotta pull your head outta your @ss and greet the real world. Secondly 99.999999999% of the ppl that claim they would rather be road racing, never have! If they had any experience on an open track, they would realize just how sh!tty that FWD turbo is around the corners... ah, the wonderful peaky power of a turbo. You must really like that FWD when you're coming outta the corner, floor it, finally your turbos hit and u just head striahgt, whether or not your wheels are turned. Either way, I would still rather have a z28 with its oh so dated suspension, and its gas hogging small block (i am talkin 69 z28 here), over any nissan g35 (very cool car actually, i am thinking about buying the sports coupe) on the road course. Take a look at the SCCA times for those old z28's, they are fast.

What it comes down to is these kids see fast and the furious, or whatever, and have no money so they kid themselves into thinking civics are fast. Then they point out times for full race ones, or even completly other cars (like supras, which are fast, but not the end all be all of cars by any mean) and think they run those times as well! Its not that I have anything against someone making their car look stupid, because that is their right. It is them talking mad sh!t to me, and making fun of my car, even when I could kick their ass. All the excuses about how I have 4 more cylinders are lame. It doesnt matter, I bought this car you bought that car, your slower, get over it.

Ricers :disgust:

Actually.. my Azn friend driving my 240sx beat a pure track musclecar. He only managed 17.4 but that was because the musclecar blew up and he slowed a little.

 

[Ju1cyJ]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Ju1cyJ
Jeez, there is so much misinformation in this thread it is scary. When it comes to drag racing, American muscle will always win. There are street driven cars that are faster than the fastest import has ever gone. So don't give me all this sh!t about power to weight ratio, horsepower per liter, and how FWD is the wave of the future. Because when the petal drops, you will lose. Period.

I also hate this dumb ricer comments "well i dont care about quarter mile times, lets take it to the road course and then we will see who is better". Whenever I see that, I just laugh and say "WTF??". First of all, are you seriously trying to tell me that FWD is a better platform for road racing that RWD? Cause if you are you gotta pull your head outta your @ss and greet the real world. Secondly 99.999999999% of the ppl that claim they would rather be road racing, never have! If they had any experience on an open track, they would realize just how sh!tty that FWD turbo is around the corners... ah, the wonderful peaky power of a turbo. You must really like that FWD when you're coming outta the corner, floor it, finally your turbos hit and u just head striahgt, whether or not your wheels are turned. Either way, I would still rather have a z28 with its oh so dated suspension, and its gas hogging small block (i am talkin 69 z28 here), over any nissan g35 (very cool car actually, i am thinking about buying the sports coupe) on the road course. Take a look at the SCCA times for those old z28's, they are fast.

What it comes down to is these kids see fast and the furious, or whatever, and have no money so they kid themselves into thinking civics are fast. Then they point out times for full race ones, or even completly other cars (like supras, which are fast, but not the end all be all of cars by any mean) and think they run those times as well! Its not that I have anything against someone making their car look stupid, because that is their right. It is them talking mad sh!t to me, and making fun of my car, even when I could kick their ass. All the excuses about how I have 4 more cylinders are lame. It doesnt matter, I bought this car you bought that car, your slower, get over it.

Ricers :disgust:

Are you talking to me?

1) It's "pedal"..not "petal".

2) Never did I say anything about FWD/RWD. The car I posted was AWD..and not a bad rally car, IMO.

3) I have never seen the Fast & the Furious.

Arrogant Americans. :disgust:

No I wasn't talking to you, in fact I know nothing about rally racing, but I do really like the WRX.

 

[SuperSix]

I like the Altima's tailights, I don;t think they are rice.

 

[Ju1cyJ]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Ju1cyJ
Jeez, there is so much misinformation in this thread it is scary. When it comes to drag racing, American muscle will always win. There are street driven cars that are faster than the fastest import has ever gone. So don't give me all this sh!t about power to weight ratio, horsepower per liter, and how FWD is the wave of the future. Because when the petal drops, you will lose. Period.

I also hate this dumb ricer comments "well i dont care about quarter mile times, lets take it to the road course and then we will see who is better". Whenever I see that, I just laugh and say "WTF??". First of all, are you seriously trying to tell me that FWD is a better platform for road racing that RWD? Cause if you are you gotta pull your head outta your @ss and greet the real world. Secondly 99.999999999% of the ppl that claim they would rather be road racing, never have! If they had any experience on an open track, they would realize just how sh!tty that FWD turbo is around the corners... ah, the wonderful peaky power of a turbo. You must really like that FWD when you're coming outta the corner, floor it, finally your turbos hit and u just head striahgt, whether or not your wheels are turned. Either way, I would still rather have a z28 with its oh so dated suspension, and its gas hogging small block (i am talkin 69 z28 here), over any nissan g35 (very cool car actually, i am thinking about buying the sports coupe) on the road course. Take a look at the SCCA times for those old z28's, they are fast.

What it comes down to is these kids see fast and the furious, or whatever, and have no money so they kid themselves into thinking civics are fast. Then they point out times for full race ones, or even completly other cars (like supras, which are fast, but not the end all be all of cars by any mean) and think they run those times as well! Its not that I have anything against someone making their car look stupid, because that is their right. It is them talking mad sh!t to me, and making fun of my car, even when I could kick their ass. All the excuses about how I have 4 more cylinders are lame. It doesnt matter, I bought this car you bought that car, your slower, get over it.

Ricers :disgust:

Actually.. my Azn friend driving my 240sx beat a pure track musclecar. He only managed 17.4 but that was because the musclecar blew up and he slowed a little.

I don't understand your point... Of course a pure track car that is cammed out and can barely idle will break from time to time. Are you saying because you friend drives a nissan it will never break goin down the strip?

 

[LXi]

<<The Altima achieves a 0-60 in 5.9>>

I really doubt it. MotorWeek didn't seem to have gotten it right. 6.3-6.5s seems to fall in agreement with more authoritative auto magazines/web sites. Plus, in real life you could never get that Altima to go below 6 in any circumstance.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Ju1cyJ

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Ju1cyJ
Jeez, there is so much misinformation in this thread it is scary. When it comes to drag racing, American muscle will always win. There are street driven cars that are faster than the fastest import has ever gone. So don't give me all this sh!t about power to weight ratio, horsepower per liter, and how FWD is the wave of the future. Because when the petal drops, you will lose. Period.

I also hate this dumb ricer comments "well i dont care about quarter mile times, lets take it to the road course and then we will see who is better". Whenever I see that, I just laugh and say "WTF??". First of all, are you seriously trying to tell me that FWD is a better platform for road racing that RWD? Cause if you are you gotta pull your head outta your @ss and greet the real world. Secondly 99.999999999% of the ppl that claim they would rather be road racing, never have! If they had any experience on an open track, they would realize just how sh!tty that FWD turbo is around the corners... ah, the wonderful peaky power of a turbo. You must really like that FWD when you're coming outta the corner, floor it, finally your turbos hit and u just head striahgt, whether or not your wheels are turned. Either way, I would still rather have a z28 with its oh so dated suspension, and its gas hogging small block (i am talkin 69 z28 here), over any nissan g35 (very cool car actually, i am thinking about buying the sports coupe) on the road course. Take a look at the SCCA times for those old z28's, they are fast.

What it comes down to is these kids see fast and the furious, or whatever, and have no money so they kid themselves into thinking civics are fast. Then they point out times for full race ones, or even completly other cars (like supras, which are fast, but not the end all be all of cars by any mean) and think they run those times as well! Its not that I have anything against someone making their car look stupid, because that is their right. It is them talking mad sh!t to me, and making fun of my car, even when I could kick their ass. All the excuses about how I have 4 more cylinders are lame. It doesnt matter, I bought this car you bought that car, your slower, get over it.

Ricers :disgust:

Actually.. my Azn friend driving my 240sx beat a pure track musclecar. He only managed 17.4 but that was because the musclecar blew up and he slowed a little.

I don't understand your point... Of course a pure track car that is cammed out and can barely idle will break from time to time. Are you saying because you friend drives a nissan it will never break goin down the strip?

I was joking around.... lighten up people.

 

[LikeLinus]

LXi - does it matter? The real point was never it's 0-60. Regardless it's 6.2 / 6.3 (which ever publication has achieved) is still faster than the 6.8 of the SS That really doesn't make it "faster", but the point never really was which was faster, It was the fact that some people are bigot a$$hats who dog anything they don't feel comfortable with. Who cares if people rice out their cars?? Get a life with it.

I mean this guy Iron Woode keeps bringing up a 1969 Dart??? Who in their right mind would drive a 1969 Dart? That's plain retarded. I never see anyone driving around in their 1969 Camaro SS as a daily driver. Do you know why? They handle and ride like crap (worse than an SUV with huge tires). Their interiors are dated an uncomforatable. You see people driving these as WEEKEND cars for a reason.

If you gave Joe Public the choice of driving around in a 3.5SE Leather-filled interior Altima w/ a pretty decent Boses systems, or a 1969 Dart.........

Right. Yeah um ok. This was about the Tail Lights to start with.

 

[CraigRT]

it started with the toyota cars. (Lexus)
apparently it sells well.
it's such a trend on here to make fun of "rice"

 

[geno]

Geno: stop proving how little you know. 14 tires have a small selection in widths avalaible. 15 are better on this type of vehicle. The stock size, genius, was the issue. Again ricers keep proving how little they actually know.

Nice try but you said nothing about tire widths before that post

go read a book and get back to us when you know a little more. And calling me a ricer? Nice one, ignoramus - you know nothing about my taste in cars. Thanks, and good luck next time trying to come up with a valid point.

 

[geno]

I would still rather have a z28 with its oh so dated suspension, and its gas hogging small block (i am talkin 69 z28 here), over any nissan g35 (very cool car actually, i am thinking about buying the sports coupe) on the road course.

LMAO! And you make fun of a FWD car by saying it won't be able to turn?

As you can see, everyone is flocking for old F-bodies to go SCCA racing with lol

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Again ricers miss the point because they don't anything about real cars. 14" Bias refers to the tires. They were very small by todays standards. Basically they would be equal to a p195 75 14. Now try hooking up 375 hp with 3.55 or better rear axle. You spend most of your 0-60 spinning your tires, trying to get traction. A sub 7 sec 0-60 in that situation is considered very good. Put real tires on the Camaro and things change dramaticly. You now see near 6 sec flat 0-60. And quarter mile times in the low 14's - high 13's. Your ricemobile just got its 240 hp ass kicked in the quarter by that "crapmaro".

We won't even mention what some real musclecars can do. Try racing a well tuned 1969 340 Dart. All you will see will be taillights that actually look nice. Feeling lucky? Try racing a 440 6bbl or a hemi car. They may even waste their gas on you when they are finished laughing at your ricemobile.

Since you seem to enjoy making asinine comparisons, I can play the same game. Your sweet 375hp camaro with good tires gets similar times to a ricemobile G35 coupe with 95 less horsepower - which has a better interior/exterior (subjective) and has quite a few more amenities.

You continue to compare your big displacement crapmobiles to teeny econocar ricemobiles.

Your ignorance is showing. I am comparing cars that were brought up in this thread. Can you say 600 lb weight difference? Maybe more? A better comparison would be a 1969 340 Dart. It would still obliterate the ricer and do it with a more reasonable weight. It would also (given decent tires and tuning) give the rally boys a run too.

Did you know that the 1st gen camaros were tiny sporty cars at the time?

Geno: stop proving how little you know. 14 tires have a small selection in widths avalaible. 15 are better on this type of vehicle. The stock size, genius, was the issue. Again ricers keep proving how little they actually know.

So go put that huge Tsunami Spoiler on you Civic and enjoy how cool you are while real enthusiasts try to stop from laughing at you as you cruise around trying to impress the 14 year olds girls.

Hey man cool down.. what about Mike? you're making fun of alot of people that you shouldn't be right now. while I don't consider myself a ricer, I like some of the styles. Not mad at you.. but take slight offence in saying how little ricers know. Did anyone ever think it's how little they care? looks = more important. Some things ricers just do not care about. good or bad, i dunno.. who cares!

 

[BowlingNut]

bring your american muscle down in my neck of 'da woods
there are several ferrari-killer rice rockets floating around town that i garuntee you cant hang with. i've seen a modified prelude that hung with a viper. yeah viper, big ass v10 450hp. yeah the viper won, by all of 0.2seconds. point is: you can have whatever car you want, but leave other peoples car ALONE. i really dont give a sh!t about your camaro, firebird or dart.
i prefer a smaller, nimbler car with more finesse than brute power. NOTE: I said PREFER, not that finesse is absolutely better than power.

in any case, any car's performance has more to do with the driver than the car. hell, ill beat you in yout own car

 

[geno]

you're making fun of alot of people that you shouldn't be right now

ya, but it's funny seeing a closeminded pindick go off on everyone, spewing names that apply to none of them.

 

[stev0]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Colt45
*Colt45 urinates all over the nissan marque.

Is this the replacement for the In Russia comments?

nope, im just 1337.

nah, make that MCCCXXXVII

... took some time for that to register but... nice work

 

[StageLeft]

It makes skoorb sad to hear about bad things to do with Nissan

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BowlingNut
bring your american muscle down in my neck of 'da woods
there are several ferrari-killer rice rockets floating around town that i garuntee you cant hang with. i've seen a modified prelude that hung with a viper. yeah viper, big ass v10 450hp. yeah the viper won, by all of 0.2seconds. point is: you can have whatever car you want, but leave other peoples car ALONE. i really dont give a sh!t about your camaro, firebird or dart.
i prefer a smaller, nimbler car with more finesse than brute power. NOTE: I said PREFER, not that finesse is absolutely better than power.

in any case, any car's performance has more to do with the driver than the car. hell, ill beat you in yout own car

Since when has Ferrari ever been used as a benchmark for fast cars? What is your neck of the woods? Your local remedial English night class?

 

[StageLeft]

in any case, any car's performance has more to do with the driver than the car.

That's a stretch. I can't think of too many guys in stock dodge caravans taking out someone in a corvette :Q

 

[LXi]

<<That's a stretch. I can't think of too many guys in stock dodge caravans taking out someone in a corvette>>

LOL!