Grandma kills her 2 grandsons and herself

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http://news.yahoo.com/cops-grandma-shot-self-young-grandsons-car-145334468.html

ugh

Might be a repost, a preliminary search didn't bring up anything.

Was the 2 year old's birthday too :/

PRESTON, Conn. (AP) — A woman who picked up her two young grandsons from daycare and was supposed to bring them home so the 2-year-old could open his birthday presents instead drove them to a neighboring town and shot and killed the children and herself, state police and family members said.
The bodies of 47-year-old Debra Denison and her grandsons, 2-year-old Alton Perry and 6-month-old Ashton Perry, were found Tuesday night in a car parked near Lake of Isles in Preston, in the southeastern part of the state.
State police called the deaths a double murder-suicide Wednesday, saying they believe Denison shot the boys and herself. Autopsies were planned.
Family members said Denison had bipolar disorder and a history of mental health problems. A state police spokeswoman, Sgt. Donna Tadiello, said Denison left a suicide note but declined to say where it was found.
Tuesday was Alton's second birthday. Denison picked up the children from their daycare in North Stonington Tuesday afternoon and was supposed to bring them home so Alton could open his presents, family members said.
"I wanted him to come home and play with his new toys and have a good day," Alton's mother, Brenda Perry, told WVIT-TV.
The grandmother was friendly and talkative when she picked up the children and did not give any indication of distress, according to Nikki Salaun, director of the Kidds & Co. daycare center in North Stonington.
Salaun and daycare center co-owner Christine Hare said the boys' mother worked at the daycare center herself a couple years and had mentioned that the grandmother had a history of mental health troubles. They said they keep going over the pickup in their minds but there is nothing they could have done differently.
"Brenda obviously put her on the list thinking she would be OK," Hare said. "We go with the parents. We can't override their wishes. Obviously if she had come here obviously distraught, we would have intervened."
After helping Denison to her van with the children, they discovered she had taken the wrong car seat. When they could not get in touch with her by phone, they alerted the boys' mother, and police soon issued an alert.
Marcia White, a paternal great-grandmother of the slain boys, said Denison insisted on picking the children up alone even when their mother asked her to bring along another relative. White says Denison's struggles with mental health were well known and Perry told Denison the boys were too much for her to handle.
White said Perry told her that Denison asked to pick the boys up to be with Alton on his birthday.
"She was apparently very convincing," White said.
Denison also had a 13-year-year-old son and, in her suicide note, she said in part that God was watching over him on Tuesday, White said.
In Facebook postings late Tuesday and Wednesday morning, Brenda Perry thanked people for their prayers and said she loved her sons.
"God (has) two beautiful angels helping him now," the postings said. "My boys are in an amazing place we got a few great angels watching over us. love you Ashton and alton."
On Monday she wrote: "So excited making mini cupcakes and play dough for Altons day tomorrow can't believe 2 years old already. So blessed"
Perry and her husband, Jeremy, told WVIT that Denison had a gun and suffered from split personalities.
A man who answered the door at the couple's home on Wednesday declined to comment to an Associated Press reporter. A man at the address listed for Denison said the family is asking for people to keep their distance.
Denison was armed with a gun when she left her home Tuesday afternoon and had permission to pick up the boys from daycare, state police spokesman Lt. J. Paul Vance said.
The bodies were found at about 9:30 p.m. Tuesday, about two hours after state police issued a statewide Amber Alert for Denison and the boys.
Salaun, the daycare center director, said both children were very happy. Alton was always laughing and smiling was nicknamed "the greeter" because he always went to see visitors at the door while other children hung back.
"He would never get close, but he would come right up and look at you like, 'Hey, look at me,'" she said. "He was definitely a personality in the program."
Denison had two convictions for minor driving offenses, said Peggy Muckle, a clerk at New London Superior Court. She was fined $35 in 2003 for following too closely and, in 2004, she pleaded guilty to reckless driving but a judge did not require her to pay the $100 fine.
 
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PokerGuy

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I have no problem if someone wants to take themselves out, but why take innocent others with you? Sad that those kids got killed.
 

Thump553

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Got an amber alert on this last night. Truely a sad situation. Grandma must have been totally crazy to murder a two year old grandson on his birthday along with an infant grandson. Just unimaginable.
 

Yreka

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Jesus, How could the mother even talk to give a statement. I couldn't imagine a worse scenario for the children's parents.

We really REALLY need to quit bullshitting around with gun bans or video games and take a hard look at mental healthcare and its availability.
 

highland145

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So a crazy woman with a history of crazy had access to a gun. Bet it's not on the ban list.


Sad for the family. I can't imagine.
 

PokerGuy

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Focusing on how the crime committed (knife, gun, car, poison, whatever) is stupid and pointless. The fact that she wanted to commit that crime is the issue that needs to be tackled.
 

utahraptor

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I guess it depends on labelling this person will help prevent this from happening again.
 

highland145

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Take her gun away, and she will just drive her car into the river. Why not focus on the actual problem ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mily-called-police-didnt-phone-Christmas.html

Mental health issues are far more common in these situations than guns.

Focusing on how the crime committed (knife, gun, car, poison, whatever) is stupid and pointless. The fact that she wanted to commit that crime is the issue that needs to be tackled.
Agree X 2.

Tell D.C.
 

Dissipate

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No one here blames the parents for allowing a woman with a history of mental health issues to be alone with their children? Wow.
 

jpeyton

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Bi-polar, mentally ill, family didn't do anything about it, and the kids are the ones who have to pay for it.

Where's Feinstein when you need her?
 

Jaskalas

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47 Year old Grandma...


Isn't that kind of young?


<< Mom is 47.

Math... how does it work?

Biologically, granny could reasonably be 26. Legally, in all states, 38. Not our fault if you expect people to wait a decade or two.
 

ShawnD1

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Take her gun away, and she will just drive her car into the river. Why not focus on the actual problem ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mily-called-police-didnt-phone-Christmas.html

Mental health issues are far more common in these situations than guns.
Correct you are. Lacking any kind of free or subsidized mental health care means a lot of crazy people are walking around without treatment.
The brain is just another organ, and it fucks up like other organs. Roughly 30% of Americans are near-sighted, and about 8% of Americans have diabetes. What percentage of people would you guess have severe depression or psychosis? I live in Canada where health care is free, and there was a 6 month wait to see a psychiatrist after getting a referral. Mental problems are so extremely common that there's a huge waiting list.

Things like the existence of Fox News show how bad the mental health situation in the US is. It's an entire network devoted to people who have paranoid schizophrenia. Glenn Beck had a popular show where he's constantly saying Obama's administration is a communist conspiracy and that's why you need to buy gold. That show would have 0 viewers if psychiatrists and drugs like haloperidol were covered by some kind of free health care plan.
 

Jimzz

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No one here blames the parents for allowing a woman with a history of mental health issues to be alone with their children? Wow.


THIS

If my Mil or parents had issues there is no way I let them be around my son alone.
The grandmother had known issues. This was not a case that people thought someone has issues, this woman was known to have issues.