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[krcat1]

Originally posted by: Todd33
In hindsight, we might be better off today if the south won. Our federal tax money would not be flowing from blue to red states. Then they could outlaw abortion and all the whit trash chicks could come north for safe abortions. No gay folks would live in the south, so no problems with the marriage thing. They could cut taxes for the rich, pollute and intoxicate their children, then cut medical funding. They could cut education spending, that's socialism. Then we could all laugh at our ignorant, poor, sick, semi-retarded neighbors.

Anyone who thinks we would be better off if the South had won the war needs to read Turtledove's "The American Front" series. You can disagree with him, but both the US and the CSA would have given up many high ideals in order to defeat the other.

 

[krcat1]

Originally posted by: Jerm324
How is South Carolina property of the United States? It joined of its own free will and as such had a right to leave if they believed the protections of the union were no longer beneficial to them. When first southern states left the union they became independent nations until they formed the CSA in February 1861. South Carolina seceded in December 1860 and when it formed the CSA, it and the other states were no longer bound to any provisions of the US constitution, as they were independent nations. The later states who seceded also had short periods of independence before they joined the Confederacy. Just because the federal government didn't recognize their right to leave the union, doesn't mean they didn't have such a right.

There are several indications that the South had the desire to absorb more of the Union than the slave states, and annex parts of Latin America. The war was about who would control N America, Richmond or Washington.

 

[Jerm324]

Originally posted by: krcat1

Originally posted by: Jerm324
How is South Carolina property of the United States? It joined of its own free will and as such had a right to leave if they believed the protections of the union were no longer beneficial to them. When first southern states left the union they became independent nations until they formed the CSA in February 1861. South Carolina seceded in December 1860 and when it formed the CSA, it and the other states were no longer bound to any provisions of the US constitution, as they were independent nations. The later states who seceded also had short periods of independence before they joined the Confederacy. Just because the federal government didn't recognize their right to leave the union, doesn't mean they didn't have such a right.

There are several indications that the South had the desire to absorb more of the Union than the slave states, and annex parts of Latin America. The war was about who would control N America, Richmond or Washington.

I doubt that the CSA would have had the military or industrial power to go on an imperialist crusade throughout Latin America, however during the war the Confederacy considered annexing parts of Northern Mexico, and I believe at least one governor of the a Mexican state offered it for annexation by the Confederacy, but they declined because they did not want to risk a war with Mexico. The only parts of the Union the Confederacy claimed were parts of the New Mexico and Arizona Territories. I highly doubt that even a victorious CSA would have been able to control much outside its own borders, especially with all the post-war problems they would have had.