people on these boards need to chill
too much attitude
lets say it was a misunderstanding, get over it, and move on
too much attitude
lets say it was a misunderstanding, get over it, and move on
IAteYourMother
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The OP is apparently graduating from U Texas (nebulous or not, he said i went to U Texas a #9 school), applying to GRAD school, and does not know that a masters is NOT required for phd programs. If this does not make ANYONE with a grad degree say WTF?! You are just as god damn dumb/uninformed as the OP. This kind of sheet warrants "attitude." Someone as clueless as the OP would NEVER be admitted to ANY grad program if was a committee member.
Yes, you can apply directly to a PhD program from undergraduate. I did that back in 1996 and was accepted to the PhD program at several schools. During the course of getting your PhD, you will have to pass through several milestones; among these is the qualifying exam (which can be a breadth exam, a depth exam or an exceptional research paper, depending on your school), and once you pass, you are given the M.S. degree if you happen to be in the PhD program straight from college.
Homercles, you really need to chill out. Before you get pissed at me too, yes, I do have a PhD, and I was a postdoc as well.
The OP said "Just to check I went to UT Austin (ranked 9 in the nation) and you can do the same thing there!!" No one enrolls in a school "just to check" if one can enroll into the PhD program. A little reading between the lines would suggest he went to check the UT Austin webpage for information.
If anything the OP is guilty of poor writing (kids these days, sheesh), and you are a bit guilty of reading his passage too quickly. With kids spelling ur, there/they're/their so badly these days, I would skip over a lot of their writing too.
Now that's all behind us some bumpage for the daytime crew. Perhaps there is a UF masters or phd student here I can talk to?
When I had applied to doctorate programs in my field I already had a Master's, so it wasn't so much an issue for me.
However, like some have noted here, in my field (political science) at least, most programs do not necessarily require a Master's, but it is more a formality.
In example, you may apply to the PhD program and actually be accepted on the Master's track at first, then after say a year of good work be bumped to the PhD track, essentially bypassing the Master's altogether.
From my understanding, some fields/schools do not even require the aforementioned step, i.e., being accepted out right to the doctorate track. I know my cousin did this in his field (physiology) as well.
However, like some have noted here, in my field (political science) at least, most programs do not necessarily require a Master's, but it is more a formality.
In example, you may apply to the PhD program and actually be accepted on the Master's track at first, then after say a year of good work be bumped to the PhD track, essentially bypassing the Master's altogether.
From my understanding, some fields/schools do not even require the aforementioned step, i.e., being accepted out right to the doctorate track. I know my cousin did this in his field (physiology) as well.
Straight from the UF webpage:
http://www.cis.ufl.edu/dept/gradcoord/grad-program/grad/phd.shtml#apply
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Yeah I said that already ty though for the linkage. This was where my suprise came from, a Phd without a masters at all ever period. Most of my professors have a Phd and 3 or 4 masters degrees. After speaking with them this morning they were suprised to hear the masters degree is not awarded at all as well but they did not seem concerned either. Thanks for the replies...and some comic relief along the way.
Edit: Ok, not none at all ever you can go back and get it afterwards but why if you apparently don't ned one? You already have a Phd.
I didn't read the whole thread, but from what I did read, you seem to be leaning more toward IT business management. To me, that actually sounds like you'd be better off taking a job, getting some real-world experience, then having your company cover your MBA instead.
Although I value education highly (especially real degrees like PhDs), the workforce (usually) doesn't care about your masters or your PhD - especially those that weren't crafted by the company. At the financial institution I work in, the masters grads follow the same path as the bachelors grads. They make no exceptions for PhD students either. The company will educate you in the fields they want you to be educated in.
And I was instructed not to waste my time and money to go to grad school by a masters graduate.
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If you do intend to pursue further education, I tend to view a masters as an extension of a bachelors. It's purpose is to further educate you in practical, well-defined methods. When you hit PhD territory, it should mean that you're passionate about the subject and hope to develop beyond any well-defined methods.
Although I value education highly (especially real degrees like PhDs), the workforce (usually) doesn't care about your masters or your PhD - especially those that weren't crafted by the company. At the financial institution I work in, the masters grads follow the same path as the bachelors grads. They make no exceptions for PhD students either. The company will educate you in the fields they want you to be educated in.
And I was instructed not to waste my time and money to go to grad school by a masters graduate.
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If you do intend to pursue further education, I tend to view a masters as an extension of a bachelors. It's purpose is to further educate you in practical, well-defined methods. When you hit PhD territory, it should mean that you're passionate about the subject and hope to develop beyond any well-defined methods.
That's not what it says. It says you can get awarded the Masters after going for candidacy and meeting the requirements. So if you want, you can get the Masters degree once you've completed all the work for the Masters, but still with your Ph.D work to go.
James3shin
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Go directly to PhD, do not collect $200. I'm looking to do the same thing. MD/PhD for the motherfvcking win(FTMFW)!
What actually happens is that you get the masters when you get your PhD. They hate to give you a masters degree if you are taking money as a PhD student and have you leave with a free masters degree. You will get a masters in the end but you cannot get a masters mid-way and bail out. Disclaimer: I was a grad student in the department under discussion.
James3shin
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Yeah I spoke to the prof again and he said if I went Phd route I would get the masters upon completion of the Phd IF I did the extra work. I think at this point I am leaning towards going in as a masters student and changing to Phd after a year if I decide to. I don't know how applicable the Phd is going to be for the job that I want. As another poster said I would almost be better off getting an MBA. The problem there is I know virtually nothing about the business aspect but I very much enjoy the CS portion. I can always get an MBA if I decide that's the route I want to go in the future.
Uppsala9496
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I applied to University of Texas and Georgia Tech Electrical and Computer Engineering Departments for admission in Fall 2006. At UT ECE, they had me fill out a supplemental form with these three options:
1. Masters
2. Masters then Ph.D.
3. Ph.D
I chose #2 which apparently was good for lots of $$. #1 probably not so.
GT had a checkbox:
MS/Ph.D.
If you chose M.S., it asked if you were considering Ph.D. afterwards, with the options for immediate/other (explain)
So there you have it..I chose GT MS ECE after getting their TA funding (MS then Ph.D (probably not happening). Add on an MBA FTMFW.
1. Masters
2. Masters then Ph.D.
3. Ph.D
I chose #2 which apparently was good for lots of $$. #1 probably not so.
GT had a checkbox:
MS/Ph.D.
If you chose M.S., it asked if you were considering Ph.D. afterwards, with the options for immediate/other (explain)
So there you have it..I chose GT MS ECE after getting their TA funding (MS then Ph.D (probably not happening). Add on an MBA FTMFW.
That's what I was planning. I did put I am interrested in a Phd afteer my masters, which I am. I just don't want to dive in the deep end with cement boots.
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