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iiiankiii

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r9 290 w/ SSD. No brainer. You will notice that way, way, way more than just getting a GTX 970. The GTX 970 is around 10% faster (if even that) than the r9 290. That's not worth the price difference at all. Right now, the r9 290 is the bang for the buck king.
 
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tential

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I love how 5 different people said "buy a 290 + get an ssd" yet the OP went in a different direction.

Why did you even solicit opinions if you had already made up your mind?

Considering I've seen this same thread happen 100s of times already on other forums it's no surprise. Nvidia is the graphics king for a reason.
 

Leyawiin

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Both Newegg and Amazon have the XFX Double D and Powercolor PCS+ for $239.99. The Powercolor has a $30 MIR at Newegg on top of that. I'm ordinarily a Nvidia customer, but those prices are so good. $90-$120 less than the cheapest GTX 970. I can forgive higher power consumption and 5-10% less performance for money like that.
 

Headfoot

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I love how 5 different people said "buy a 290 + get an ssd" yet the OP went in a different direction.

Why did you even solicit opinions if you had already made up your mind?

Yup. Another one of these terrible threads. What a waste of time. Don't bother posting if you already have a decision made.

Sounds like $150 down the tube to me
 

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Yup. Another one of these terrible threads. What a waste of time. Don't bother posting if you already have a decision made.

Sounds like $150 down the tube to me

does it really bother you guys that much?
 

Rakehellion

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I love how 5 different people said "buy a 290 + get an ssd" yet the OP went in a different direction.

Why did you even solicit opinions if you had already made up your mind?

Actually, the very first reply said to get a 970. No reason to get butthurt.
 

RussianSensation

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does it really bother you guys that much?

It actually didn't bother me one bit but I tend to think we not only share our love for PC harware on the forums but hopefully provide helpful feedback to others on how to get the most value of out of their hard earned dollar. After all, if money isn't a factor, there is very little use seeking much buying advice as you'd just buy 5690X, 32" IPS 4K and dual 295X2/Quad-980s, and then upgrade to the latest and greatest.

It's a perfectly reasonable alternative right now due to crazy sales of hardware parts to think outside the box, like getting a $230-240 R9 290 + $110 240GB Intel 730 SSD for example. I am not kidding when I say this but if a person uses multiple browsers for productivity (I often have 100 tabs open across 2-3 browsers), then a Core 2 Duo + SSD will outperform a Core i7 4790K + mechanical drive. A lot of PC builders don't understand how fast an SSD makes your system feel because it's too difficult to translate the user experience based on SSD benchmarks which primarily focus on reads/writes. Ever try starting up your PC, opening 3-4 programs consecutively or doing something while running an anti-virus scan on a mechanical drive vs. an SSD? You can put a 100Ghz i7 in there and it won't be faster because the mechanical drive will be slow as hell.
 

Carfax83

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Thank you for everyone's responses and Advice. We are going with this card:

Not the cheapest but we saved money on some other great NewEgg Combo deals:

Thoughts if anyone has one of these and how they like it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121899

You made the right choice going with the GTX 970, despite what the naysayers might say. It's a better video card than the R9 290, and it has full DX12 support...
 

Carfax83

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I am not kidding when I say this but if a person uses multiple browsers for productivity (I often have 100 tabs open across 2-3 browsers), then a Core 2 Duo + SSD will outperform a Core i7 4790K + mechanical drive. A lot of PC builders don't understand how fast an SSD makes your system feel because it's too difficult to translate the user experience based on SSD benchmarks which primarily focus on reads/writes. Ever try starting up your PC, opening 3-4 programs consecutively or doing something while running an anti-virus scan on a mechanical drive vs. an SSD? You can put a 100Ghz i7 in there and it won't be faster because the mechanical drive will be slow as hell.

The only way an SSD is going to make a significant difference in browsing speed is if the machine you're using has a limited or suboptimal amount of memory. Upping the memory will make a bigger difference in that case, because Windows will cache the browser..

Before I jumped to SSD, I used WD Raptors in RAID 0. Sure, having an SSD has made a big difference, but not as big as I thought because I've always used machines with lots of memory and I've always had the pagefile disabled..

Windows 8.1 superfetch plus large amounts of system memory can mitigate a lot of the slowness associated with mechanical drives.. The biggest difference I've noticed with SSDs is that big games load in far less time, ie BF4..
 

Gikaseixas

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The only way an SSD is going to make a significant difference in browsing speed is if the machine you're using has a limited or suboptimal amount of memory

You really don't know what you talking about man
SSD provides a significant boost in overall system performance
 
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Gikaseixas

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You made the right choice going with the GTX 970, despite what the naysayers might say. It's a better video card than the R9 290, and it has full DX12 support...

A 290 with SSD would be better. Oh i bet it will also have full DX12 support. Stop Trolling
 

f1sherman

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Looks like OP went SSD + 970 ftw. Maybe get over it :hmm:

SSD will increase overall system responsiveness, and yes that includes browsing
 

Gikaseixas

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Looks like OP went SSD + 970 ftw. Maybe get over it :hmm:

SSD will increase overall system responsiveness, and yes that includes browsing

I have nothing to get over, you're the one who needs to calm down. Not everybody comes here with the intent to defend brands like you clearly do.

Never said SSD's don't improve browser responsiveness did i??? Your lousy attempt to twist my words did not work. SSD's are a game changing upgrade and he was trying to say it was not which apparently you agree.
 

Carfax83

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You really don't know what you talking about man
SSD provides a significant boost in overall system performance

Actually I do know what I'm talking about, and clearly you can't read or are technically inept..

I never said that SSDs don't improve system responsiveness. All I was saying was that RAM has a huge impact as well, which should be obvious to anyone that knows anything about PC architecture, which I guess counts you out :sneaky:

A PC with a sufficient amount of memory will have most of the browser functions cached in memory, which mostly negates the speed advantage that an SSD has over a mechanical drive for browsing.. And with SuperFetch, programs will also be partially pre-cached which further reduces reliance on the HDD..

Unless you seem to think that all that memory in our systems is useless and is just sitting there now that we have an SSD :D

A 290 with SSD would be better. Oh i bet it will also have full DX12 support. Stop Trolling
Your tears are delicious. Go and cry some more, it makes me feel good!

LOL at getting mad because the OP did the right thing rather than buying a video card that is about to be replaced :rolleyes:
 
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Leyawiin

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LOL at getting mad because the OP did the right thing rather than buying a video card that is about to be replaced :rolleyes:

It shouldn't matter what he chooses, but there's no right or wrong here. Just because there's a new generation somewhere on the horizon doesn't make the previous worthless... especially when they start heavily discounting.
 

Carfax83

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It shouldn't matter what he chooses, but there's no right or wrong here. Just because there's a new generation somewhere on the horizon doesn't make the previous worthless... especially when they start heavily discounting.

I would disagree with that.

The OP isn't buying the card for himself, but for his friend, and his friend obviously isn't a hardware enthusiast. Point being, he will likely hang onto this hardware for a while.

So if you're going to be keeping hardware for a while, may as well get the latest tech.. GTX 970 has full DX12 compatibility, R9 290 does not.
 

RussianSensation

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The only way an SSD is going to make a significant difference in browsing speed is if the machine you're using has a limited or suboptimal amount of memory. Upping the memory will make a bigger difference in that case, because Windows will cache the browser..

The biggest difference I've noticed with SSDs is that big games load in far less time, ie BF4..

You must be trolling us or are you that blinded by NV? Sapphire Tri-X 290s + SanDisk Extreme Pro 480GB for the OS would mop the floor in overall user experience over 970 SLI and a mechanical drive. As you know the more programs/media you install/uninstall on a mechanical drive and the more things you are running in the background (browser, anti-virus, apps), the slower it the mechanical drive gets and no amount of de-fragmentation can help. In fact, if you open 30 tabs in any browser with an 8-16GB RAM computer and check your memory usage, it will be well below 8GB, but then proceed to use the computer for 10 days, leaving it turn on at night, it will become unbearable slow without restarting at least once. This doesn't happen with an SSD.

In the real world app usage an SSD is 3-10X faster than a mechanical drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQjc-XW0G7Y

In boot times into desktop on a system with many programs/games installed, it's a night and day difference, in the magnitude of 4-5X faster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRu9OeKNk28

And here is an inclusive test including boot time (SSD is almost 600% faster for a power user), and loading 25 apps (SSD takes 24 seconds or nearly 450% faster vs. 1 min 50 seconds on a mechanical drive):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5dCXiXFaw

If you combine booting up and loading your apps for work and so on, the difference will add up to 5 minutes or more which is a lot when you are just sitting there and waiting for things to happen! Worse, when you start working and switching between various apps, you will run into Not Responding browser errors, Flash Crashes that hang everything you are working on, random stuttering and complete unresponsiveness for prolonged periods of time in Windows 7/8 on a mechanical drive.

I would go as far as to say any 2014 system without an SSD/M.2/PCIe SSD or similar storage cannot be considered a modern system no matter what CPU and GPU it has because outside of games this computer will get outperformed by a MacBook Air. I refuse to spend $300 on a modern CPU + $500 on a modern GPU and then end up in the year 2007 in overall system feel. D:

So if you're going to be keeping hardware for a while, may as well get the latest tech.. GTX 970 has full DX12 compatibility, R9 290 does not.

This is a 100% grasping for straws comment.

1) NEVER in the history of any GPU generation did the first generation card with next generation DX could ever play the next generation's DX game effectively. Not once. I remember all the NV marketing that 7800GTX 256MB was ready for the next gen UE3 game engine and that was all but marketing gimmick. By the time UE3 games came out, they wiped the floor with that card. You always need 2nd or 3rd generation card of the last DX generation to max out next generation games. That's why right now we are using 3rd or 4th gen DX11 cards to play DX11 games (HD5870 was the first DX11 card in Sept of 2009).

2) Since Fermi and Even Kepler and GCN 11.2 will have partial support for DX12, unless you can tell us specifically what exactly does 970/980 have in DX12 that makes "full" DX12 support such a killer feature, it's meaningless to keep bringing this up. Fact is, 970/980 are already struggling in today's games (AC U, FC4, DAI), so what makes you think they will be fast enough for native DX12 games?

3) You keep talking about future proofing but it's better to buy a $220-250 290, save $80-100 on not buying the 970 and in 12 months, sell the 290 and use that $80-100 + resale value from the 290 towards a much faster card. You know what, let's talk about a real world example: someone bought 7970 1Ghz for $300 when you bought 770 4GB for $450. Now both 7970 1Ghz and 770 4GB are about the same in performance in the last 6 months but person 1 has $150 left over in the bank/savings towards his next upgrade, while the latter gamer has a 770 4GB that isn't any faster and $150 less. Your idea of future-proofing for 5-10% more performance has been disproven historically with previous generations. Future proofing comes into play if you are considering $250 7850 vs. $400 670 when there is a big performance difference.

How are all those PC gamers who paid $100s extra to future proof with 680 4GB against 7950/7970 doing, or Titan users where Titan is often only as fast as a 280X/290 but cost $1000 at launch?
 
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Leyawiin

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I would disagree with that.

The OP isn't buying the card for himself, but for his friend, and his friend obviously isn't a hardware enthusiast. Point being, he will likely hang onto this hardware for a while.

So if you're going to be keeping hardware for a while, may as well get the latest tech.. GTX 970 has full DX12 compatibility, R9 290 does not.

I'm sure his friend will be happy with his GTX 970. Its a great performer and will have good longevity. I'll be happy with 90-95% of its performance and an extra $100 in my pocket. ;) But again, it shouldn't matter to anyone what he bought. We don't even know the guy. :D
 

RussianSensation

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You made the right choice going with the GTX 970, despite what the naysayers might say. .

Ya, if $ doesn't matter to you, sure.

PowerColor PCS+ R9 290 = $210 AR - $25 VISA Checkout with Newegg = $185 USD.

The cheapest 970 is $330 - $25 Visa checkout = $305

Ya so 65% more expensive for 5% more performance since PCS+ 290 = 290X. DX12 FTW, right?
 

f1sherman

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I have nothing to get over, you're the one who needs to calm down. Not everybody comes here with the intent to defend brands like you clearly do.

Never said SSD's don't improve browser responsiveness did i??? Your lousy attempt to twist my words did not work. SSD's are a game changing upgrade and he was trying to say it was not which apparently you agree.

Buddy, wow... L2R
I wasn't even speaking to you specifically. Not to mention we agreed on SSD.
Calm down, and get over it.
 

rcoops72

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I love how 5 different people said "buy a 290 + get an ssd" yet the OP went in a different direction.

Why did you even solicit opinions if you had already made up your mind?

Bryan - Sorry if I insulted you, that was not my plan. Based on additional research (Tom's hardware site) and the room where this PC will be setup in (always hot), we went with the one that runs more efficient and cooler . FYI he is not going with a SSD at this time and took advantage of other combo deals which saved a lot of money in the long run.

I really do appreciate everyone's input, neither of us have built our own PCs for a 5+ years so as things change we are glad a site like this is around where technical folks can share their input.

Thank you again everyone.
 
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skipsneeky2

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I am with RussianSensation about the whole ssd thing,these things are the best damn upgrade anyone can do.

Personally any rig without a ssd is simply in the past,incredible feeling not having to defrag and the constant speed is incredible.

A i7 rig with a mechanical drive mind as well be a Dragster Car with watered down 87 octane.
 

tential

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Bryan - Sorry if I insulted you, that was not my plan. Based on additional research (Tom's hardware site) and the room where this PC will be setup in (always hot), we went with the one that runs more efficient and cooler . FYI he is not going with a SSD at this time and took advantage of other combo deals which saved a lot of money in the long run.

I really do appreciate everyone's input, neither of us have built our own PCs for a 5+ years so as things change we are glad a site like this is around where technical folks can share their input.

Thank you again everyone.

Power consumption is important but there are other things in rooms that can eat up just as much. If you have 1-2 lights on in a room, you can essentially kiss that savings goodbye.