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you people amaze me......the banks were bailed out with yours and my money the least they could do is stop raping us every chance they get in return. Not sure why people can possible still support big corrupt banks after what has happened, its likely you work for one of these banksters.

my bank does not rape me because i educate myself and am aware of the charges.

i've had one overdraft fee before because i was careless. i didn't blame the bank; i blamed myself for not being more careful.
i have not paid a penny to the bank ever since.

sounds like you are like the rest of the general public, a retard when it comes to money management and personal responsibility.
 

BoberFett

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We are a society of vampires, make that mosquitoes, where everybody tries to suck blood out of everybody else. When one sector of the society gets really bloated up on blood their shear weight and volume crowds out other mosquitoes and those call for more fairness in who gets to suck all the blood. But so it is when those who compete hate themselves because competition IS nothing but hate.

Why so harsh on labor unions?
 

Thump553

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My state tried to regulate them a few years ago when Bank of America jacked it's ATM fees up. The banks mounted a furious campaign that states couldn't regulate these fees, only the feds could. Now I guess the feds regulating these fees is socialism or something else horrible.
 
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Everyone knows I'm a Telecom Engineer

There is Teller charges at many banks now as well as ATM fees at most.

The number free of fees is dwindling quickly and you now this.

telecom engineer for who?

what bank charges a fee for transacting at a teller? are there no other banks in your area that are free?

if a bank tries to pull deceptive or unfair charges on me, i close my account and open one with a different bank.
i've done it before and it's really not that hard of a concept to understand.
 

IceBergSLiM

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my bank does not rape me because i educate myself and am aware of the charges.

i've had one overdraft fee before because i was careless. i didn't blame the bank; i blamed myself for not being more careful.
i have not paid a penny to the bank ever since.

sounds like you are like the rest of the general public, a retard when it comes to money management and personal responsibility.

lol I bank at a CU i'm doing just fine. lol......keep the personal attacks coming though it helps your point.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Are you really that full of shit? You are using structural deficiencies in the regulations pertaining to securitization of various asset classes to justify regulating ATM fees? That's like using the Transocean leak to justify regulating the choice of floor tile in BP stations. Pathetic. What's worse is you truly believe you made a clever point, and weren't being facetious! :D

aka ....massive fraud with continued fraud after the bailout.

besides....I don't remember bailing out BP .....
 
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nonlnear

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I don't remember bailing out BP .....
Limiting their liability prior to assessing damages is essentially the same thing.

It's a simple analogy anyways. If that wasn't clear then you are duller than your previous post indicates. Pointing out that the situations are not perfectly identical, and pretending that that constitutes a rebuttal is simply advertising your stupidity even louder.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Limiting their liability prior to assessing damages is essentially the same thing.

It's a simple analogy anyways. If that wasn't clear then you are duller than your previous post indicates. Pointing out that the situations are not perfectly identical, and pretending that that constitutes a rebuttal is simply advertising your stupidity even louder.

GM probably would have been a better example.
 

IndyColtsFan

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The system is in fact forcing people to use cards.

What kind of nonsense is this remark? Besides that, even if the system is "forcing" people to use their cards, it is NOT forcing them to use ATMs. You can use a debit card just like a charge card and if you need cash, go to your own bank's ATM!

ATM fees are ridiculously high, I'll agree, but that doesn't mean Uncle Sam has to regulate them. Maybe people will start complaining about the fees 'Telecom Engineers' charge and Uncle Sam will step in and regulate that too.
 

cubby1223

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you people amaze me......the banks were bailed out with yours and my money the least they could do is stop raping us every chance they get in return. Not sure why people can possible still support big corrupt banks after what has happened, its likely you work for one of these banksters.

More likely it is because we are capable of rational thought.
 

IceBergSLiM

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What kind of nonsense is this remark? Besides that, even if the system is "forcing" people to use their cards, it is NOT forcing them to use ATMs. You can use a debit card just like a charge card and if you need cash, go to your own bank's ATM!

ATM fees are ridiculously high, I'll agree, but that doesn't mean Uncle Sam has to regulate them. Maybe people will start complaining about the fees 'Telecom Engineers' charge and Uncle Sam will step in and regulate that too.

Some places are still cash only. Plus the fact not everyone wants their every transaction recorded in a database forever and ever. Plus if I split something with someone I can easily give them cash for my bit of it.
 

Bowfinger

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No, it's still an idiotic law. Why should I have government-mandated access to a company's resources when I'm not a paying customer of that company?
Why not? Why should a business' desire for profits be the only consideration (especially when actual experience has shown it's possible to provide universal service and maintain good profits)? Government is supposed to represent the People too, you know.

In all seriousness, I'd be more on your side of the issue if we truly had robust competition in banking. The fact of the matter is we don't. In banking, as in so many major industries these days, the field is dominated by a small number of mega-corps who jointly control what consumers are offered and at what prices. Though we may have an illusion of choice, especially from small players, the choices usually come with enough baggage to preclude any significant market penetration.

In such a market, I think it is reasonable for government to impose constraints and force certain levels of customer service. In banking this used to be done at the state level, but once again, as is so often the case, heavy bank lobbying persuaded (i.e., bribed) our so-called "representatives" into taking away yet another facet of state authority in favor of federal non-regulation.

The inevitable result is consumers got screwed, ever-degrading service and ever-higher prices. Harkin is just trying to balance this ever so slightly, yet the usual knee-jerk partisans are predictably outraged at any suggestion government should represent people instead of profits.


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Your argument is simply that you want a free service for your own convenience and that all banks should eat the cost: you want a government-mandated free lunch. Why do you deserve it?
Well first of all, it's not free. According to the OP, the 50 cent fee was calculated to cover actual costs and preserve a decent, though not exorbitant profit margin.

Second, even if it were free, so what? As I pointed out originally, the whole promise of ATMs was they would reduce overall bank costs by reducing tellers and check-handling expenses. This was, in fact, exactly what happened.

Why then are banks somehow entitled to make additional profit on something that already saves them money? Because the market will bear it? Bullshit. That's a reasonable argument in a truly free market with healthy competition ... which is exactly what we don't have today thanks in great part to the federal government taking away states' authority at the behest of the very banks who now stand to profit from it. Screw them. Let them reap what they've sown. If they don't like it they can always go back to letting states set regulations individually.
 

Fern

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Disclosure of the fee should suffice; I see no reason for the gov to micro manage ATM fees.

Everyone here seems to be thinking of banks. As there used to be (non-telephone) companies purchasing and putting up pay phones, we have the same thing with ATM machines.

Private (non-banking) companies purchase ATM and put them where there is demand, but no banks. Of course they have to charge more than many banks. They pay the various banks their fees, then need to charge something for their own expenses/profit.

Likely these (non-bank) ATM's of convenience (and higher fees) would dissappear.

Fern
 

JS80

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It would certainly stifle their ubiquity. I hate paying $5 fees when I hit the cash machine in some bar, but I love the convenience and I'm willing to pay it. If I'm not, I'll wait until I can visit one of my banks locations.

This is just more populist pandering.

Yup. I'd rather have a $5 fee ATM than...no ATM.
 

freegeeks

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I don't know the situation in the US, but Belgian banks are moving away more and more from the traditional channels. In lot's of banks it's getting more and more difficult just to go into a bank and get cash from your own frigging account. That's why the govt. stepped in and put the hammer on banks passing a law that every account holder needs free access to any ATM because banks here were basically shoving ATM's through our throat as a way to get cash. The same applies for using your debit card to pay in shops. Businesses are discouraging cash payment and want electronic payment, so govt. did the same basically saying, "you don't want cash, that's fine but customers don't have to pay fees for using debit cards".
 

Moonbeam

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Instead, we should legislate to ban blood, solving all existing problems and creating a completely new set that is even worse.

Your blood isn't getting to your brain and that's why your hypothetical is absurd. You aren't yet up to seeing the problem so don't go looking for a cure.
 

Joepublic2

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Another area where regulation isn't desired or necessary. Seriously, I got fed up with overdraft fees at my bank and the fact that they were paying me less than the rate of inflation for the privilege of leveraging my capital, so I switched to a local credit union and never looked back. This definitely falls under something that a free marketplace is better at sorting out than additional bureaucracy.
 
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