Government takes over all student loans

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Mean MrMustard

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Originally posted by: JKing106
Originally posted by: eskimospy
So we should probably change the title of the OP, don't you think? It's insanely misleading.

Then it wouldn't engender false outrage at "everthang gubment is teh ebil!"

Fuckers sure don't mind calling the police or the firedepartment when they need them, do they?

What do the police/fire department have to do with anything?

And they'll sure as hell take that SS check when the time comes. Hypocrites.

Hypocrites? They were forced to pay into it and now they are getting less than they put in. Hypocrite is the last thing I'd call people against SS. :roll:
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I want less government involvement in our life, not more.
This is a government spending CUT. Instead of forking over billions to subsidize companies every year, the government will be able to keep the subsidy cash. Of course, in the first few years, those savings are earmarked for education spending, so the savings are minimal. But in the future, there could be a lot less government spending due to this.

Projected to save over $50 billion.

I think it's a hoot when folks whine about reducing corporate welfare. It's not like the gov't has not propped up the banks or anything in the last 12 months ...

It must be awesome to be able to generate so much faux outrage no matter which way an issue swings!
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: JS80
Also, the price of education should go up too, further fucking over the people.
Why would the price of education go up if students and taxpayers no longer pay profits to companies?

They will loosen standards for student loans and artificially increase the demand for college.

You do realize that pretty much the only way to get out of paying student loans is to die?
 

evident

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so does this mean i can refinance my current loans into a better favorable rate w/ uncle sam?
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I want less government involvement in our life, not more, but only when democrats are in charge. I am also especially scared because it is a black guy, I guess that makes me a racist.

Filled in all the things you left out.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I want less government involvement in our life, not more, but only when democrats are in charge. I am also especially scared because it is a black guy, I guess that makes me a racist.

Filled in all the things you left out.

pretty much sums up the thought process of "real america"
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: ohnoes
This thread brings another pet peeve of mine. My dr. friend uses his med school loans as justification for dr. salaries, but its such BS. Law/Bschool grads take on just as much loans, and make a fraction of his salary out of school.

If I wanted to make money, I'd have went to law or business grad school; NOT medical school.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: ohnoes
This thread brings another pet peeve of mine. My dr. friend uses his med school loans as justification for dr. salaries, but its such BS. Law/Bschool grads take on just as much loans, and make a fraction of his salary out of school.

If I wanted to make money, I'd have went to law or business grad school; NOT medical school.

I don't think he gets how much of a grind those med students go through not to mention the first couple years.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
http://online.wsj.com/article/...O-20090917-714955.html

By Corey Boles and Robert Tomsho

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES



WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The U.S. House of Representatives approved legislation Thursday that would effectively end private-lender involvement in the student loan market, establishing the federal government as the sole provider of college loans.

The bill introduces sweeping changes to the U.S. higher education system, and serves as the third central plank of U.S. President Barack Obama's domestic agenda. It aims to make college more accessible and improve graduation rates.

Like the continuing efforts at overhauling health care, the changes to the federal government's higher education policies would have a serious impact on the bottom line for private-sector players currently serving the market place.

The House vote was 253-to-171, largely along party lines.

Under the legislation, all lenders would be cut out of the market for originating loans. There would still be a role for private banks and lenders to bid for a limited number of contracts to service the loans after they are made by the government.

The Federal Family Education Loan Program, wherein the government guarantees loans made by private lenders, remains the single largest source of college loans. Lenders made related loans for students at 4,465 schools for the 2008-09 academic years. Loan volume totalled $74 billion, up 13% from $65.3 billion a year earlier.

For companies like SLM Corp. (SLM), better known as Sallie Mae, the proposed changes are already having an impact. This week, Fitch Ratings downgraded Sallie Mae to BBB+ status, and called its outlook negative.

Sallie Mae's shares closed down 2.71% at $8.99.

"Today the House made a clear choice to stop funneling vital taxpayer dollars through board rooms and start sending them directly to dorm rooms," said Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., the chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee.

The Obama administration would use anticipated savings from the measure to increase grants for low-income students, boost funding for minority student groups, provide money for school construction, with a small portion left over to pay down the deficit.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said that ending fees paid to private lenders would save the taxpayer $87 billion over the next decade.

An alternative proposal floated by a group of lenders including Sallie Mae would realize the same level of savings, the CBO said.

In the Senate, staff on the Health Education Labor and Pensions Committee are drafting legislation similar to the House version, according to a Senate Democratic aide.

The Senate bill also would end private-lender origination of loans, the aide said, leaving the federal government as the sole provider of college loans.

Martha Holler, a spokeswoman for Sallie Mae, said the Senate has the opportunity to pass legislation that realizes significant savings "without sacrificing choice and competition for students."

The House vote comes after more than two years of turmoil for the student loan industry.

In 2007, Congress reduced government payments to lenders making federally guaranteed student loans by more than $20 billion.

The resulting cut in profits came just as credit markets were beginning to seize up, eventually making it nearly impossible for lenders to package student loans into securities and sell them to investors, a key source of liquidity in the student loan market.

Complaining that the business is no longer profitable, more than 180 lenders have exited all or part of the federal student loan program since the fall of 2007.

Still, remaining lenders have fought against the changes, arguing that providing loans to students is among the best ways to establish a relationship with new clients that could lead to more lucrative business in the future.

Passage of the legislation would require the Department of Education to accommodate around 4,000 schools by next July 1. And those schools would have to have their processing systems prepared well before that since most financial aid packages are typically distributed in the spring.

Lending experts at some of the largest schools in the country, such as the University of Notre Dame, have said that they won't have sufficient time to make the transition to a government-run lending program.

Having lined up additional contractors to handle the anticipated increase in direct-loan volume, federal officials say they are prepared. Absent an unanticipated breakdown in the system, industry observers say borrowers are unlikely to notice the shift.

House lawmakers attached a measure to the student loan bill ending all federal government funding of the community organizing group Acorn - the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. The group has long been in the cross hairs of Republicans, but more recently has been accused of widespread fraud and other illegal activities.

So now the government cut out private banks in the student loan market... more power to the government.

A better headline would be, "Government stops subsidizing private firms with taxpayer money"
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
If this had been the case when I started school and the rules regarding who could get government loans were the same as they were then, I couldn't have gone to school. Middle class white kid = not eligible for government loans. CitiBank, however, loaned me what I needed.
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: JS80
Also, the price of education should go up too, further fucking over the people.
Why would the price of education go up if students and taxpayers no longer pay profits to companies?
Because demand for high-priced education just became inelastic. Or is the government going to be more selective in who it will loan money to, thereby only allowing those with a good credit rating to get an education?

Citibank is still allowed to give you a loan.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: ohnoes
This thread brings another pet peeve of mine. My dr. friend uses his med school loans as justification for dr. salaries, but its such BS. Law/Bschool grads take on just as much loans, and make a fraction of his salary out of school.

If I wanted to make money, I'd have went to law or business grad school; NOT medical school.

I don't think he gets how much of a grind those med students go through not to mention the first couple years.

Yeah, he is probably one of the jerk offs who wasted their whole time in the education system and never worked a real day in their life. Now they see doctors driving around in their brand new convertibles, even though they had to wait until they were 45 to pay off their loans, and they get all jealous. I love these people.

Well they are either that or they are some poor schmuck researcher, who dropped the ball and stayed in the collegiate world. I do feel for those guys.
 

joutlaw

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Yep this is no good. My wife works for a non-profit student loan company. We've known this could be coming for sometime, but a lot of people are going to lose their jobs. I understand how this can save money, but I don't understand why thousands of people losing their jobs justifies it. I suppose the private student loan industry isn't too big to fail.
 

Amused

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Well... we have our first socialised industry. What next?

Far from being partisan, this scares the crap out of me.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Amused
Well... we have our first socialised industry. What next?

Far from being partisan, this scares the crap out of me.
We've had that for a few years now. As it has been, the government borrowed money and lent it to companies at lower interest rates. The companies turned back around and loaned it to students with a markup. But, with financial trouble looming, the goverment agreed to be responsible for all defaults.

So, as we had it, the government borrowed all the money, took all the risk, and basically set the terms. The only thing the companies were doing was skimming off the top. We've had this industry socialized for years. Now we are just taking out the middle man.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: First
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: JS80
Also, the price of education should go up too, further fucking over the people.
Why would the price of education go up if students and taxpayers no longer pay profits to companies?

They will loosen standards for student loans and artificially increase the demand for college.

There's nothing artificial about it. People don't go to college on a whim.

AHahahahaha

I bet you that many college students go to college because "its the next thing after highschool"
 

ElFenix

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toss more money at college and then be surprised when the price goes up.

awesome.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: joutlaw
Yep this is no good. My wife works for a non-profit student loan company. We've known this could be coming for sometime, but a lot of people are going to lose their jobs. I understand how this can save money, but I don't understand why thousands of people losing their jobs justifies it. I suppose the private student loan industry isn't too big to fail.

Hopefully if she is good at her job and she is willing to adapt her skills she can find another position in another industry. Yours just may be a case of "Not politically powerful enough to fight change".
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Amused
Well... we have our first socialised industry. What next?

Far from being partisan, this scares the crap out of me.

The industry is not socialized in any way, shape, or form. Private banks can ALSO give out their own student loans if they so desire. The only thing here that has changed is that we're no longer giving corporate welfare to banks.

Unless you think that the free market = welfare recipients siphoning off government money aimed at students, we're not losing anything.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
toss more money at college and then be surprised when the price goes up.

awesome.

GUYS, WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T STOP GIVING CORPORATE WELFARE TO BANKS. COLLEGE WILL GET MORE EXPENSIVE IF YOU DO.
 

Munky

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I want less government involvement in our life, not more.

I guess that makes me a racist.

You want less go to another country. Problem for you solved.

BS. The govt is elected to serve the people. If enough people don't like what the govt does, we elect a different one.
 

dualsmp

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I want less government involvement in our life, not more. I guess that makes me a racist.

**logged, noted and archived by White House bot.
**file case #987-4343 possible dissident, domestic terrorist, racist
 

ohnoes

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Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: ohnoes
This thread brings another pet peeve of mine. My dr. friend uses his med school loans as justification for dr. salaries, but its such BS. Law/Bschool grads take on just as much loans, and make a fraction of his salary out of school.

Umm lawyers make a lot of money and mean salary from good MBA program is around 6figures also. The reason why the programs cost so much money is the future earning potential - it's supply and demand.

H/S/W and other top 10 grads make ~100-130 after graduation. But that's the low-end compared to Dr. salaries for a much wider range of background & schools.

The ROI on MBA's pretty arguable nowadays. From a $ perspective, if you make something like 80/yr currently, it'd take you 10-15 years to break even from H/S/W.
 

ohnoes

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: ohnoes
This thread brings another pet peeve of mine. My dr. friend uses his med school loans as justification for dr. salaries, but its such BS. Law/Bschool grads take on just as much loans, and make a fraction of his salary out of school.

If I wanted to make money, I'd have went to law or business grad school; NOT medical school.

top rated bschools cost just as much as any med school. Wharton's cost for 2 years is ~150K, and you only make 1-130 after graduation.

Med school has a much higher lifetime earnings potential than bschool & law schools.
 

ohnoes

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: ohnoes
This thread brings another pet peeve of mine. My dr. friend uses his med school loans as justification for dr. salaries, but its such BS. Law/Bschool grads take on just as much loans, and make a fraction of his salary out of school.

If I wanted to make money, I'd have went to law or business grad school; NOT medical school.

I don't think he gets how much of a grind those med students go through not to mention the first couple years.

Yeah, he is probably one of the jerk offs who wasted their whole time in the education system and never worked a real day in their life. Now they see doctors driving around in their brand new convertibles, even though they had to wait until they were 45 to pay off their loans, and they get all jealous. I love these people.

Well they are either that or they are some poor schmuck researcher, who dropped the ball and stayed in the collegiate world. I do feel for those guys.

Wow, I must have touched a nerve. I guess you're still in med school? Don't worry, if you're at all capable (although i slightly doubt it based on these posts), you'll be making 2-300 out of residency.

And no, I drive a benz & work in mgmt consulting so I know about long hours. Granted they're no 30hour oncall shifts.
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I want less government involvement in our life, not more. I guess that makes me a racist.

Funny, I want less corporate markup in my life. I guess that makes me an socialist fascist atheist muslim born in Kenya!